child support

masterorion said:
i am giving an example of my experience. however, i am not the only one that has this experience.
for the child support, its one of those excuses that doesnt fly over with me. well, in my case anyhow. my ex, if she doesnt want to pay child care, bring him to me. i dont wannna hear whinning about "ow, i have to pay this kinda money to have someone watch the kid"...in the meantime, they havent asked the spouse if they could watch the child.
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i meatn to say day care type of expenses in the first sentance, not "for the child support"
 
I find it interesting how most of the men in this thread assume that all women sit on their asses. When there are two women in this thread that worked/work their asses off to provide for their children as well.
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this wasnt meant as an attack by whoever said it, it was in reference to the court system. meaning, there isnt a repercussion for the deadbeat moms that sit at home and reap the benefits of everything while a man may be required to pay for him self to keep himself alive and to make his obligatory payment to the child. in essence, if the mother is sitting home collecting state funds, your paying for both adults to live.
 
Sorry, again I'm gonna call bullshit about the minimum wage thing you're trying to say.

Here is the link for your state:

http://www.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/modification.html

Here is an excerpt from that link:

A Florida court order for child support may be modified if it has been at least 3 years since the existing support amount was ordered or since the case was last reviewed for a modification. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered three or more years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 10% or $25 per month (whichever amount is greater).
If it has been less than 3 years since the last review, a Florida support order may still be modified if there has been a significant change in circumstances. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

Also one more thing, where does it say anywhere in this Florida enforcement process about jail time? Firstly the link:

http://www.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/enforcement.html

Now what your process includes:

Suspending Florida driver licenses

Suspending other licenses such as hunting and fishing licenses, occupational and professional licenses

Intercepting IRS tax refunds

Intercepting Florida Lottery winnings over $600, unemployment compensation, and worker's compensation

Requiring employers to deduct child support from noncustodial parents' wages (Collecting support through income deduction)

Cooperating with the court in the issuance of writs, also known as arrest warrants, which are entered into Florida's crime computer and used by law enforcement officers statewide

Placing liens on real property (homes/land) and personal property such as cars and boats

Reporting the child support debt to credit bureaus, which can affect the noncustodial parent's credit rating

Placing bank account levies and garnishments
 
Kat said:
Sorry, again I'm gonna call bullshit about the minimum wage thing you're trying to say.

Here is the link for your state:

http://www.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/modification.html

Here is an excerpt from that link:

A Florida court order for child support may be modified if it has been at least 3 years since the existing support amount was ordered or since the case was last reviewed for a modification. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered three or more years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 10% or $25 per month (whichever amount is greater).
If it has been less than 3 years since the last review, a Florida support order may still be modified if there has been a significant change in circumstances. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

Also one more thing, where does it say anywhere in this Florida enforcement process about jail time? Firstly the link:

http://www.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/enforcement.html

Now what your process includes:

Suspending Florida driver licenses

Suspending other licenses such as hunting and fishing licenses, occupational and professional licenses

Intercepting IRS tax refunds

Intercepting Florida Lottery winnings over $600, unemployment compensation, and worker's compensation

Requiring employers to deduct child support from noncustodial parents' wages (Collecting support through income deduction)

Cooperating with the court in the issuance of writs, also known as arrest warrants, which are entered into Florida's crime computer and used by law enforcement officers statewide

Placing liens on real property (homes/land) and personal property such as cars and boats

Reporting the child support debt to credit bureaus, which can affect the noncustodial parent's credit rating

Placing bank account levies and garnishments
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your quote says nothing. you misread what you had quoted...so call bullshit all you want. in fact. call em. i bet my earning for the next 50 years on the answer a gave.

if you read the copy and paste job you did, carefully, it says

"A Florida court order for child support may be modified if it has been at least 3 years since the existing support amount was ordered or since the case was last reviewed for a modification. "

this meaning the obvious. but for clarification if you didnt know, says the order for the amount being paid needs to have been in place for at least 3 years.

"To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered three or more years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 10% or $25 per month (whichever amount is greater). "

the first part up to the first comma goes with the first part. but it says that after the three years and you begin your petition, if you want to have the amount lowered, it needs to be a difference of 10% or 25bucks/month whatever figure is more.


for jail time, it doesnt need to be written. by failing to abide by the court order, you are in contempt of court. it technically doesnt have to do with child support. its more of a court technicallity
 
And then it says in the next paragraph:

If it has been less than 3 years since the last review, a Florida support order may still be modified if there has been a significant change in circumstances. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

There. I even bolded it for you this time^^.
 
http://www.myflorida.com/dor/childsupport/works.html

ENFORCEMENT TOOLS

Getting noncustodial parents to pay the full amount of support can be difficult, however, CSE has a number of enforcement tools at its disposal. These include:

1. Income interception from:
* IRS tax refunds.
* Lottery winnings.
* Workers' compensation benefits.
* Unemployment benefits.
* Insurance settlements.


2. Asset enforcement - CSE can freeze and/or seize financial accounts. All in-state and some out-of-state financial institutions participate. Institutions check their records against child support delinquencies to provide account information to CSE for action.


3. Liens against property such as personal property, vehicles, boats mobile homes and real property legally prohibit any sale without satisfaction of the lien.


4. Reports to credit agencies - Support delinquencies are reported to credit agencies. The noncustodial parent must pay the past due support to remove the delinquency notice from the credit report.


5. Suspending licenses - The types of licenses/documents that can be suspended include:
* Driver licenses.
* Passports.
* Professional licenses.
* Vessel registrations.
* Recreational licenses.


6. Judicial intervention - CSE can refer cases to the court system for judicial intervention. Possible penalties vary depending on the parent's past behavior and the court's determination.
* Arrest order (civil) for failure to appear.
* Jail time for up to 179 days for contempt of court.
* Full or partial payment to purge contempt.
* Misdemeanor and felony criminal prosecution by state attorney.

you act as if i havent researched everything kat. im way ahead of you on everything that has to do with my own situations.
 
kat....omg, pay attention to everything it says....

ill bold the part you missed.


If it has been less than 3 years since the last review, a Florida support order may still be modified if there has been a significant change in circumstances. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

this basically says the same as the last thing i picked apart for you. this one is just the opposite. this one is if the last time you had your support amount changed is less than 3 years. the other one was for more than 3 years
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reading it so say if the non-custodial parent has had a significant change in circumstances (ie. job, etc.), your support will go to 15% of your current income or $50 per month depending on which amount is greater. Therefore, if you get a job only making $5.00 per hour, your child support would go from 256.00 per month (I believe is what your wrote previously), to $120.00 per month because of the change in circumstances. $5.00 per hour is much less than minimum wage.
 
masterorion said:
kat....omg, pay attention to everything it says....

ill bold the part you missed.


If it has been less than 3 years since the last review, a Florida support order may still be modified if there has been a significant change in circumstances. To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, using current information and statutory guidelines, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

this basically says the same as the last thing i picked apart for you. this one is just the opposite. this one is if the last time you had your support amount changed is less than 3 years. the other one was for more than 3 years
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to make sure i explained all of this, the 15 and 50 that it has on there...those are the minimal change in income for this to be approved.
so if i my wage changes, for me to act and have a change done if the last change was within 3 years, the min amount is 15% or 50bucks a month in difference.
example:if im making 1k a month. and its only been 2 years since i had my income reviewed. the state can change it if the difference in income has changed 15% or 50 dollars. so in essence, i would have to make 950 dollars or less for this to be put into effect.
those numbers are not amounts to pay.
 
The point is, if you are making 15% less than what you were making before you lost your job, you CAN get the child support reduced.
 
Kat said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reading it so say if the non-custodial parent has had a significant change in circumstances (ie. job, etc.), your support will go to 15% of your current income or $50 per month depending on which amount is greater. Therefore, if you get a job only making $5.00 per hour, your child support would go from 256.00 per month (I believe is what your wrote previously), to $120.00 per month because of the change in circumstances. $5.00 per hour is much less than minimum wage.
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no, the proposed amount is the new wage that you get from a new job. so thus meaning that the change in wage has to be more than 15% or 50, whatever is greater to have the support changed to be according to your new rate of pay
 
Kat said:
The point is, if you are making 15% less than what you were making before you lost your job, you CAN get the child support reduced.
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no shit capt obvious. i knew this. ive stated it many times. the minimal amount it can get reduced to is minimum wage for the state of florida.
 
It doesn't say that. If you were making $10 per hour and you lose that position and end up getting another job for $5 per hour, that is more than a 15% income loss. It specifically goes by income.
 
i talk to the state of florida once or twice a month. when i was out of work, i went in (actually into the counties office for the county im in)to ask how much it can be reduced to. thats how i know the answer. anything that i have stated, i know the answer to somehow or another. either by phone, internet, or in person
 
Anyway, again I'm done. I feel you have the ample supplies to fight your case. You are just making excuses. Personally, I would be doing everything in my power to firstly disprove the allegations against you, and rectify the situation at hand.

Anyway, good luck.
 
believe me when i say that regardless of employment or non employment, the bare minimum that it can be changed to is a what a minimum wage worker would have to pay.

if you do not believe me, you can call that toll free number. the one that i have called once or twice a month. as you know the laws in illinois, i know the laws here in florida. i have asked the question we are debating specifically to the people in tallahassee and in person in the county i live in. I KNOW THE ANSWER. i know this because i went from a 11$ an hour job to no job when i moved from tampa to orlando.
also, just as additional info, the amount that may be in arrears, that number will reflect the amount you were to pay per month at the time support wasnt being paid. IE: if you pay 250, dont pay for 2 months, then start paying again but your getting paid less and need to have the amount paid reduced to say 200. after the 18 years is up, your required to pay 2 months after the 18th birthday to pay off the arrears. the amount you pay will be the 250 and not the 200 that it was reduced to
 
Kat said:
It doesn't say that. If you were making $10 per hour and you lose that position and end up getting another job for $5 per hour, that is more than a 15% income loss. It specifically goes by income.
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To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered three or more years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount must be at least 10% or $25 per month (whichever amount is greater).

To petition the court for modification when the previous order was entered less than three years ago, the difference between the current support amount and the proposed amount, must be at least 15% or $50 per month (whichever amount is greater).

this says that the difference is subjected to these numbers.

this is explaining that if the differences between the old wage and new wage have to be the minimum of either 25 or 50or the 10% or 15%...whichever of the sets of numbers is greatest when determining the difference in wage change.
think of it as the game monopoly. there is the luxury tax property on the board. either pay 200$ or 15% of all money you have. in the child support case, if the difference between old wage and new wage is 10% or 15% greater(depending on if its over or under the 3 year limit)then the state will allow the change of payment to be made. so, if 15% equals out to be a difference of 150 dollars, they wage change will have to be 150 dollars or more for the state to grant a CS pay change.
 
also, if your unemployed for 2 months...here is why it isnt worth it to attempt to have it lowered for that time frame

How long will it take to get my order modified?
As a rule, the process, from request for review through order modification, should be completed within six months. However, the length of time could be affected by many factors including the number of requests we receive and the availability of court dates.
 
Kat said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm reading it so say if the non-custodial parent has had a significant change in circumstances (ie. job, etc.), your support will go to 15% of your current income or $50 per month depending on which amount is greater. Therefore, if you get a job only making $5.00 per hour, your child support would go from 256.00 per month (I believe is what your wrote previously), to $120.00 per month because of the change in circumstances. $5.00 per hour is much less than minimum wage.
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i think i read this wrong and originally answered to it wrong. so, im going to go over it again.

for this we will use me as an example. lets say its been less than 3 years since the start of support or the last adjustment. so we will use the 15% and 50

now, if i go from paying $256 a month, which is about 11 bucks an hour. now, i currently make a wage at 5 bucks an hour. lets say that amount i would pay for that wage is 125 a month.
now, what has to be done is calculating what to use for the 125 dollar pay difference. 15% or 50bucks.

15% of 125(the difference of what i would pay with the new wage) is about $19. so, common sense says that the state would require that the difference in pay would have to be more than 50 bucks.

125 dollars is more than 50 dollars so they would grant a CS payment change.

this is their process to avoid measly attempts to change amounts paid for a difference of like 10 bucks. IE: if i pay 250 and i get a pay change to the point i would only be required to pay 245, they wont do the change because its not at least 15% or 50 bucks.
 
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