consolidation of rng hate threads

[Darkdante]

I know a thing or two about bard and hitting paladins with ballad while missing the melee, and hitting the ninja with madrigal while missing the rangers. It takes a tiny bit of skill to find that spot, but imagine if all you had to do was hit the paladin and mages with ballad. Would it take skill to find that spot and stand still there repeating your ballad macro?

Apparently for most people who play this game it does. :lol:

Jokes aside, doens't it take more skill than before? Range wasn't a factor before, and now it is. Thus it takes skill, if your comparing it to the skill of playing basketball like Micheal Jordan, then ya. NO skill at all.

But we are comparing before and after the update. And Range factors in a skill were it wasn't needed before. Take HNM fights for instance, its gonna take alot of skill now that you have a range and teamwork for the ones that kiting and teamwork on the DD so the mob doesn't sway off course. Skill, Luck, teamwork it all factors in to the complexity and adds to the depth and fun of the game. And when you have a Player that can do all that in a party, nobody calls him lucky, they call him "good", skilled. If any stupid fool could do it, would it be any fun for you?

It sure wouldn't for me, thats why I play REdmage, I know you'd argue it don't take skill to play that, but i'd argue to death with you about that. BEcause I think it does. Takes skill, patience, luck, and most of all high tolerance for assholes. This is why its my first job and still the one I enjoy, cept for the assholes part.

Is this update flawless? Probably not, it probably needs a little more tweaking, but adding complexity is never a bad thing IMO. Maybe an update is required, but maybe you just haven't found the secret to being the "new" ranger yet. Yes you probably will not be the "superheros" you once were, As we all know overpowered jobs get axed or get ignored, but your place is still there.

Good luck to you Rangers regardless, and I hope none of you quit because of this.

 

[Legomyeggo]

You stand back and shoot as oppose to staanding next to the mob and shooting. Hay guyz there iz skillz.

 

[Stouter]

I know a thing or two about bard and hitting paladins with ballad while missing the melee, and hitting the ninja with madrigal while missing the rangers. It takes a tiny bit of skill to find that spot, but imagine if all you had to do was hit the paladin and mages with ballad. Would it take skill to find that spot and stand still there repeating your ballad macro?

Apparently for most people who play this game it does.

Don't get me started on crappy bards, that's a completely seperate flame...

 

[Kirayamato]

I paid to do dmg blah blah blah is the worst reason you come out with :|
Stuff like haubrek +1, flame rings and etc. all drop from the sky ! ! ! ! ! !
Weee!
Lame

 

[Legomyeggo]

Yeah Kira, those cost quite alot of money but I can't remember the last I threw a hauberk to deal damage :wink:

 

[Sephectja]

This is why I love the flameboard, people arguing over a game, so funny XD.

 

[Produn]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

 

[Sethala]

a question for the sethala

i think you have hauby, snipers, pretty good/great gear. do you like seeing the melee get a pt in front of you with nq 54 rings, no hauby, very mediocre/below par gear?

Yeah, I've got good gear. A few things I can upgrade (should probably ditch my venerer's ring for another sniper, and I can get better gigas bracelets for my WS, but I really don't wanna spend that much money on a marginal stat increase like that), but otherwise good.

Now, if a party got another DRK (or any melee that I could replace, actually) instead of me that had very sub-par gear? Yeah, I'd be kind of annoyed. But chances are, they'll know not to re-invite that person next time, and hopefully I'll have enough of a reputation to get some invites from people that know I've got good gear.

I'm also rather annoyed when a RNG or BLM that's got horrid gear is picked over me just because "it's a RNG/BLM". Not saying that all RNGs and BLMs have horrible gear, of course, but I get annoyed when people just fly through the game because of their job and it's general reputation, not because they are a good player themselves.

Although, my perception is kinda skewed right now, since almost all my parties on DRK since the mid-50's have been in a mini-static, and I've been the one making all my parties since 65.

 

[Taurothar]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

 

[Stigmatas]

Btw, anyone who thinks blms monopolizes dmg is fooling themselves. Mnks, Drgs, (some)Drks, and Wars are where it's at with yer melee's per usual. Unfortunately it was/is unfair to compare us with blms and (well used to be) rngs .. but regardless a blm that ran the gambit of ruling the dmg in a pt is also a blm with a partial deathwish.

when i said that, i meant when it comes to dmg dealing who do you really pick... nobody i know says lets get a war to kill kirin, they say lets stock up on rng and blms. sorry for the confusion.

i have gone rng/war plenty of times and dont die... i didnt have a deathwish. 2k slugshots :| at the start of the fight. i know a good tank who can deal with that.

 

[Stigmatas]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

is this directed to me?

 

[Stigmatas]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

is this directed to me?

 

[Stigmatas]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

is this directed to me?

 

[Stigmatas]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

is this directed to me?

 

[Stigmatas]

Re: here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [

I wrote what was in the [] it's people like that guy that piss me off. Espically when they aren't rangers and don't know shit.

You fucking suck at quoting. You failed to include the replies from me where I pwnd this fucking logic. My secondary job is Ranger and I am also annoyed by certain aspects of this "nerf" but it isn't the end of the world as we know it like you guys seem to be putting it. I in was no way saying PLD was ever nerfed (if they were, it was before I started the job, and the Flash update helped us out), only that they aren't the best farmers/soloers in the world and are now on par with RNG in that respect. Therefore, you suck, and learn how to use a fucking forum's quote feature.

is this directed to me?

 

[Sethala]

Well, you do suck at using forums (quintuple post ; ), but I think Tauro was mainly speaking to Produn, since he was bringing out a quote you said that Tauro already talked about.

 

[Veresko]

I red the first 2 pages then speed red the rest, simply because it's the same argument I have been having with people I know since the update and quite frankly, it gets tiring to hear people who don't play Ranger telling everyone why the nerf was a good thing.

I'm not gonna get into numbers and money and damage, that's been discussed over and over again.

But let me ask everyone of you, why did you pick the job you play as main? Simply because you like it. Why do DRG or MNK stick with their job? Because they are having fun doing it. Same for mages.

I tried almost everyjob, took DRK to 47 before I realized (in a party, not while LFG) that I really did not like it that much. Then I started ranger. I fell in love with it. Before getting BArrage, Slug shot and before realizing how much dmg. I could do, I loved this job, from lev. 1 to 64.

Now, I am not talking for every ranger, but for myself only. SInce the nerfed, I partied for exp, I did LS events, I soloed, farmed, tried new NM, did everything I was doing before the update. It was not nearly as much fun as it was before, no where close. Simply put, I just don't enjoy ranger anymore, at least not as much as I used to.

Now before you say "Well there you go, someone who was playing rng to lev. to 75 as fast as they can, blah blah blah" you can ask anyone who knows me that is not the case. I level so slow it's not even funny. Lot of people I know that were lower then me, mnks, drg and others, are now higher.

I liked being the ranger in events with my LS, I liked being able to help people lower then me get stuff done, I liked being the DD in those events but most of all, I liked having a ton of fun with people playing a job I really enjoyed. Now, I don't enjoy it as much as I used to.

So why am I saying this? Just so people who keep saying "Stop whinning you $%*$ rangers, you got nerfed, deal with it!" take a sec and think for a moment, what if something, outside of your control, suddenly made your job not enjoyable for YOU, not for anyone else but yourself, no matter what the nerf is or effect of it is.

Kinda sucks does'nt it....

"Well now you know how BLM feels standing in the back!"
If I wanted to play BLM, I would have picked BLM.

"Well now you know how BRD feels running around all the time."
If I wanted to play BRD, I would have picked BRD.

Personnaly, I have no idea what I'm gonna do. I still have fun doing events with LS and such, but exping is no fun at all for me right now.

One thing for sure is I ain't starting job again for the 3rd time.

 

[Stigmatas]

did prices on rng ammo ever go down, no.
matter of fact they now have silver and platinum bullets.

dot dot dot

 

[Taruwaru]

did prices on rng ammo ever go down, no.
matter of fact they now have silver and platinum bullets.

dot dot dot

gold and platinum.

/smile Stigmatas

The reason ammo prices will never go down is because the main ammo is silver bullets. The price of silver will always be high. It will *never* go lower than the cost of the NPC silver ore. It's actually much higher ususally.

Now the price can get lower than it is currently, but the price of silver ingots is not dependent on the price of silver bullets. The silver ingot price is so high because they're used in a ton of recipies, and they're a pain in the arse to make. 48 non-stackable items to get 1 stack of ingots?! ugh! (If you want silver bullets, ask Theorist. He might be willing to sell bulk directly to you for a small cut in AH price.)

Lower level rangers are feeling it too. Theorist (lvl 60 at the time) was hitting 1400 damage slugs (meat chiefkabobs), and now he's lucky to hit 1000 (yellow curry).

As far as costs of ranger? Yeah, the equip is pretty cheap compared to other classes. Heck, I'm a bard and I have more gil wrapped up in my gear than any RNG my level without e-bow and pcc. You can NOT dismiss the cost of ammo though. Especially with a gun ranger. 200k x 30 levels = 6 million gil (what level is the first gun again?). 6 mil by itself isn't much, but when you add it into everything else, it does bring the total cost of the job more inline with the melee jobs.

What happens when the RNG is having acc problems due to being low man in the group, or fighting stuff *slightly* too big for the party. We were in Bibiki the other night and we moved to the next tier dahmels a bit too early. The RNG spent 8k per FIGHT until we moved back. If the DD and tank were one level higher, and the DD had more than +3 acc, we could have fought those dahmels, and the rng would have been screwed out of a ton of gil. Also, if the RNG didn't spend that much, we probably would have wiped. He and the BLM were the only ones doing damage.

And let me also state that the equip to be an "average" RNG (no HQ) is REALLY cheap. I wouldn't doubt if you can get away with a sub 500k setup and still do *ok*. I'm not really sure on the price of guns though, since the only RNG I've ever partied with has HQ everything, and I've never had a reason to check gun prices.

 

[Stigmatas]

gold and platinum.

/smile Stigmatas

The reason ammo prices will never go down is because the main ammo is silver bullets. The price of silver will always be high. It will *never* go lower than the cost of the NPC silver ore. It's actually much higher ususally.

Now the price can get lower than it is currently, but the price of silver ingots is not dependent on the price of silver bullets. The silver ingot price is so high because they're used in a ton of recipies, and they're a pain in the arse to make. 48 non-stackable items to get 1 stack of ingots?! ugh! (If you want silver bullets, ask Theorist. He might be willing to sell bulk directly to you for a small cut in AH price.)

Lower level rangers are feeling it too. Theorist (lvl 60 at the time) was hitting 1400 damage slugs (meat chiefkabobs), and now he's lucky to hit 1000 (yellow curry).

As far as costs of ranger? Yeah, the equip is pretty cheap compared to other classes. Heck, I'm a bard and I have more gil wrapped up in my gear than any RNG my level without e-bow and pcc. You can NOT dismiss the cost of ammo though. Especially with a gun ranger. 200k x 30 levels = 6 million gil (what level is the first gun again?). 6 mil by itself isn't much, but when you add it into everything else, it does bring the total cost of the job more inline with the melee jobs.

What happens when the RNG is having acc problems due to being low man in the group, or fighting stuff *slightly* too big for the party. We were in Bibiki the other night and we moved to the next tier dahmels a bit too early. The RNG spent 8k per FIGHT until we moved back. If the DD and tank were one level higher, and the DD had more than +3 acc, we could have fought those dahmels, and the rng would have been screwed out of a ton of gil. Also, if the RNG didn't spend that much, we probably would have wiped. He and the BLM were the only ones doing damage.

And let me also state that the equip to be an "average" RNG (no HQ) is REALLY cheap. I wouldn't doubt if you can get away with a sub 500k setup and still do *ok*. I'm not really sure on the price of guns though, since the only RNG I've ever partied with has HQ everything, and I've never had a reason to check gun prices.

lol gold yes ty, too many postings at once.

maybe se might announce a fix.
i miss my baby
hopefully markmanship+7 torque
the new merit system
and a patch upgrade will fix our problems.