Dude, seriously...
I understand you dislike me.
I also understand you very much disagree with my theory on chocobo coloring.
I really have no problem with that at all. To each their own, right?
Even if all you did was raise 1. Thats it, 1 bird, and base all of your reasoning against my theory on that 1 bird, against my 25 plus hundreds of stats sent to me by people to assist my theory.
Really, you believe what you wanna believe man, that's cool.
But.. this? Posting all over wiki that my theory is bullshit, when people even admitted it kind of supported it, messaging me with insulting and snide comments over how "butthurt" I am over you "destroying my years wort of work"?
You guys may be going, lolchocobo, but that isn't quite the point. I spent a very notable amount of time building a theory in the game, and now Curjos seems to consider himself some crusader against me,the antichrist of chocobo religions...
But you know what? Whatever, people seemed to disregard what you said and moved on, and I shrugged it off. With a user base of thousands, there's bound to be one or two douches running around screaming at you over nothing...
But now you've gone just a little too far dude, no seriously. I spent a lot of work on my guide to raising (
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Breeders_Guide_by_Urat ), to provide new breeders a step by step guide to get a really decent bird for them to feel proud off. Unlike other guides that just told you what everything does, mine tells you how to use these tools effectivly.
Then you waltze in and stick this little snide comment up at the top of
my page? Who the hell do you think you are man? I am tired of your insulting attitude, sticking your nose in everytime I make a chocobo related post.
Charitwo has been alerted, and I'd appreciate it if you just stopped. I am asking pleasently this time, and am trying to keep this as civil as possible. Before youhttp://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1011828
FFXI Final Fantasy XI Quetzalcoatl Daily News - Reply to Topic make any more comments like this, first go read the actual theory before assuming it hasn't changed any way at all in the past year since you last saw it. Then post your bird's stats on the section of the discussion page I created just for that for comparison to my theory.
Then maybe we can have an actual civil talk about whether or not your bird's stats prove or disprove my concept.
The first point I would like to make is that these quotations you are throwing out throughout this thread are untrue and are not quotes of anything I have previously said. I have never accused you of being "butthurt" (partially because I don't know why someone in the right mind would use such a statement) and I have never boasted about how I destroyed "many years of research" etc. The reason for this, Urat, is because frankly I don't care about you. It annoys me when you go around FFXIclopedia making all of these posts when you have no evidence behind it. You say you do, but I haven't seen any yet. Its not an unknown fact that you're grammatically challenged, Urat, but you really shouldn't use quotation marks when you're not quoting someone, it's kinda misleading, y'know?
This leads onto my next point. I did provide evidence to falsify your theory. You say that I only succeeded with raising 1 chocobo, thats all it took. You told me, that if your theory was applied, there would absolutely no chance the chocobo could be green. Anyone want to guess what colour it turned out to be? And yeah, I provided evidence. For those of you that don't know, this is how Urat took the news:
The first thing I would like to mention about this image is that Urat is again quoting things I never said. I will admit that I called his theory "fanciful", but I never said he "knows nothing about testing", even though I admit to thinking it. I never insulted him. I raised a chocobo and kept a blog, applying Urat's theory of colouring to it, and I proved it wrong. The blog wasn't insulting, and any offence he took from it is his own problem. The reason he accused me of being insulting is that he was probably just pissed off because I disproved his theory. The thing that annoyed me about the things that he quoted there aren't even things I implied. He's just going to make me look like an arsehole.
And now I'm going to use a phrase you like using a lot, Urat.
Get off you high horse. You said, and I quote (something that you did actually say, for reference see the first post of this thread):
Urat said:
and am trying to keep this as civil as possible
If that PM you seen me on FFXIclopedia is your idea of civil, then you have a very warped definition of the word. Stop going out to make me look like the bad guy in this. Admittedly I've said
some things that may have been "snide", but nothing I've said has been genuinely insulting. All I've done is tested your theory and posted my findings.
It's less the chocobo raising, more the fact that he had the nerve to put such a snide comment on my own guide of all places. It could be anything, fishing, a leveling guide, chocobo raising just happened to by the subject.
I can see why you thought the comment was snide, and perhaps I could have been more tactful about how I went about it. But, at the end of the day, it needed to be said and I don't regret posting it (just how I said it). People go use this guide and expect to get results based on a theory that is wrong.
But yeah, maybe chocobo raiisng is a bit much to get worked over, but this guys been riding my ass for almost a year now >.<
Had to Blist him in game, block him here, on BG and am trying to on wiki. Temporarily unblocking him for this thread since he's gonna wanna reply, and it is unfair to ignore him in a flame directed right at him.
And now you start blowing everything out of proportion. The only time I sent you a /tell in game was before this whole mess started and I wanted you to explain your theory to me in person. Which you did. I then tried to send you a /tell after I published my blog to get your views on it, and then you blacklisted me. Thats your right as a player, but if you do insist on doing it please don't use it against me as though I've done something wrong when in reality it's you that's in the wrong. I've never spoke to you in game that would warrant you to blacklist me. And for the record, it has been going on for about a year but no constantly. It originally happened and last a few days, then stopped for a year and started again when I started getting emails for people on FFXIclopedia asking me to explain to them why they'd just spent a shitload of time and gil raising a chocobo exactly how it was stated in Urat's guide to get results that according to Urat's theory, should not have been possible. This prompted me to post that message on his guide, warning players that most of what he said is (and has proven to be) wrong.
Dani said:
Regardless if it was about chocobo raising or solving world hunger. The fact of the matter is that it's important to him and he's been harassed about it, he said, for about a year. Whether he's wrong or right in his theories, he's taken the time to try to prove them and written a guide with the large, requisite "this article is just a guide" disclaimer. So what if he's wrong? He deserves to have that very long guide that he obviously put lots of work into destroyed or modified out of spite?
I can assure you that I didn't "destroy" his theory out of "spite". I hardly even modified it. I posted a disclaimer at the top of the page. Once again, things have been blown way out of context. And it wasn't out of spite. It was because it's misleading information.
Vandoura said:
I know is just a chocobo Raising theory guide, but Urat spend a lot of time working on it and try to help other to raise their chocobo better. Imagine yourself in the same shoes, and tell you that your work is useless, can't proof anything, won't work. How would you feel? adding insult to injury, editing someone hard work without the owner permission. Wouldn't you be pissed off if someone messed up your yr of works? Little things to you can be a really bigs things to other people, just like one person trash is another person treasure
I would be very upset if someone messed up my works. If someone came along and provided evidence that a theory I proposed was wrong would also make me upset. What I wouldn't do, however, is exaggerate everything and take it out of context. Which is what Urat has done here. What I would do is I would acknowledge that the theory has been proved wrong, and I would stop going around pretending that it was right.
Now I'd like to put forward another scenario so people can see this from another perspective. Would you be upset if someone told you that they could greatly increase the likelihood that you could get something that you want, which would require to put forward a lot of time and effort, only for it to turn out to be false? I would (and was (I really wanted a blue chocobo)), and so did the players who emailed me asking for advice.
Lucki said:
How exactly was the guide edited? What was said?
The guide opened with a small section entitled "A note from the author". After that section, I created another small section entitled "A note from someone who knows what they're talking about", in which I posted (not word for word, I can't remember exactly and I'm guessing Urat's deleted it now) that there had been hard evidence to prove that Urat's theory had been disproved, and that anyone who uses the guide does so at their own risk (Admittedly, I was probably less civil than that the time, but thats the message that I put across).
I think the big issue here is that Urat has blown everything out of proportion to make me look like an arsehole. I've said it already and I'll say it again to clarify, I guess I should have rephrased what I said but I still stand by the point I was trying to get across, and I'll more than gladly do it again. Its unfair and irresponsible to post stuff that isn't true.
