Dezvoltare Drama (not for the pregnant or nursing)

Not really choco. You werent on vent so you dont really know, perhaps you know 2nd hand info, I do not know. What I do know is that, everyone talked about shit. The cause of the problems and how to fix them. Did rey and dalk do a perfect job at trying to get people motivated to do events? No, but they did try.

Maybe you werent on when only 4-5 people were showing to events. I think there are ways to combat that but please take into consideration Rey and Dalk have never been in that position. They will make mistakes. They were still feeling out thier new role, that was one day dropped in thier laps.

If you think the vent convo was filled with "huggles and unicorns" you are solely mistaken. Copper said it best. Zycs lack of communication to the LS, AND to the leaders, lead to the shell to break down.

Do I think Rey, Dalk, Zyc made mistakes? Absolutely. Do I think going about a solution like you did is the right thing to do? No.

There are lots of other things I could say choco, but I will refrain because I really dont want to discuss these issues that can and WILL get resolved with outside people.

This pretty much end this flame.. I think you, might've jump to conclusion too early Chocobits.
 
YOYO thought you changed serve man lol, didnt know you quit, how's going!

I jumped ship about a month before I quit. Everyone in Dez should have already known that if Zyc, Khrnos, Fang, or Dalk didn't have something; they were automatically up for it next. Zyc passed several times on items he could have won yes, but look at who picked them up.

those who are close to them, well, never really had problems with that tho, they always have the points. only took me like um few months to save up for N.Head, so I was happy

You all should remember me flying off the lid in LS at least 6 months ago about the bank and about points generally 2-3 times a week. No one ever cared until they thought it affected them. The shell hasn't changed with the leaders going MIA, its always been that way and will more than likely always be. You either accept it or not. Even before we started working towards getting Zyc an Aegis the bank wasn't paying out. People were asking to use points for items off AH and couldn't. But everyone stood around idle while it happened because "our bank is going to funding dynamis and einherjar." Yeah, thanks for that. We pulled in several mil at a time but only put out 1,360,000 a week..

when they decided to take off "pay day/ pay day points", I knew it's time to make up an excuse and quit. Not so much for the gil, just couldnt stand the idea of "running around fighting killing to make someone else rich"

personally, I believe the idea of LS bank is fail to begin with, if you roll with it, be ready to get raped off.

Do a fight > get drops > sell them > split gil, simply and fair.


To suddenly have a change of heart by anyone in that ls is complete bullshit. To throw something that had been going on for a while at the leaders like its their fault is horse shit. You all stood by and let it happen without any mention of change until this happened. I place all blame on the members.

Exactly

Anyway, sad to see once a good LS come to an end like this, hope you guys will work something out.
 
Sorry Dez but did none of you seriously see this coming? Back when I was still on quetz all you see is Zycipher, Khrnos, Sirfang, and shit getting 90% of the drops. It's all Lead based. Once the leads get their shit, then it's your turn. Fuck that. I had respect for most of you before I quit, I didn't have any for the leads of that shell, minus Gredival, he was still ok. You guys are smart if you reform, but If you do before he gives up the bank, (which I doubt he will now) kinda dumb in my opinion. Good luck restarting and trying to get up and running again with Absolution around though. (Had to lnclude Abso somehow, seeing as every other thread in these boards have them in it also.)
 
I like the fuck your real life this is FFXI nukka attitude you guys have.

Did you not read the screenshots carefully enough? Gredival said quite a few times In CAPS, that they don't care what he does in real life, and that he doesn't have to play the game.
 
I had respect for most of you before I quit, I didn't have any for the leads of that shell, minus Gredival, he was still ok.

Uh I'm not a leader.
 
I don't think you're going to get an epic thread of shitfactory Choco. You made a good attempt at flaming, but it is rather obvious your story is vey one-sided. It is obvious the whole blame can not be put on Zyc, but rather the members themselves as well as the co-leaders for not communicating enough and lacking actual leadership skills.
Yes some it does fall on members and leaders however big part of it fall on zyc system and micro manging everything. As psylentcuda said earlier the bank only funded entering dynamis and einherjar as well as items people wanted off ah for points, and giving members that recieved 100cc half the money there worth. All items off sandworm and ixion went to the bank unless someone wanted to spend insane amount of points. Then there items from cerb, ouryu, bv2, and ks99 to. No docamentaion of what the money was spent on or who receved what. So as far as any one knew money was going nowhere. Then there the point system which only zyc had access to that he update about every month if lucky where normally only events that zyc himself went to got counted and there was no breakdown on where the points came from. Hence why many would not go unless he was on. Top that off even when zyc had almost missed 60% of the events he end up with more points then anyone for that month. Why did no one speak out probably because they knew they get screwed over on drops or kicked. At the time when they was actually doing events which oddly happen to stop about the time my brother and I was gone they was the only decent hnm shell out there. With them on downfall and nothing to lose it is what most likely set the sparks for the drama in the op.
Though your right some does fall on greedy members that only look out for themselfs.

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Here we have reydan who rather exping over doing hnms. Great leader! His friends do not need anything so he don't want to go. Also down below we see where he clearly admits of the agreement that was made before I join the shell. Yet 3 months in they started docking a large amount of points because I was not doing there einherjar and that not even counting the point from einherjar which was more then most hnm camps. Even then he bitched because I keeped in the positive every month and had accumlative enough points to obtain ridill if it droped. If only I would gotten the part after where you started to talk about how you don't care ixion and sandworm and taou king and how people should not get points for wasting there time camping them.
 
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lol first ss wrong one was suppose to be this one. However it is nice ss of gred
 
Uh I'm not a leader.
well you could see where he made the mistake you might be a erragant jerk but you was dedicated.
 
Oh and don't get wrong idea 80% members in dez are good people and if had a fair just system with decent leaders would be a great shell.
 
I don't like to post in these things. I have no desire to perpetuate a flame that frankly, has no place here.

Chocobits, noone ever denied that things need to change. Not everyone in the LS believes that life revolves around FFXI. What an unrealistic notion to have. Leaders in Dez have constantly passed on items for the benefit of its members. Those long time members know exactly that. Leaders can only be responsible so far. They cannot force LS members to log on. How can you lead an LS that isn't co-operating, that isn't responding, not accepting to be led.

No one denied issues yesterday, in fact they were thoroughly discussed on vent. You said it was cowardly to discuss it on vent, perhaps you should realize vent gave words meaning. Being able to verbalize frustrations, problems and solutions, not just using CAPs or >< faces, to get your feelings heard.

But what have you accomplished here? (Besides showing the world of Quetz how much you complain and how much you can be trusted)
Maybe we should all save logs and post them to show your true colours... (not that this thread didn't already)

I'm not intending on responding to anything.
I suppose the biggest reason I'm posting is to ask one question Choco....

You said multiple times "I'm 28 yrs old, I'm an adult." So tell me what was so 'adult' about starting a flame thread?
 
Ever since the Absolution thread closed I've been looking for some good reading material, think I might of found some. :o
 
LS banks work but I believe they require a painstaking amount of public book keeping to make them work, or to at least keep the members comfortable.

I think it would be beneficial for whoever to open a trade window, screenshot the existance of the gil, and then payout to whomever wants, maybe even divvy up the whole thing since there seems to be a trust issue. but then you get into arguments into how to do that and whatnot...

Anyway, you guys have some smart reponsible people , im sure someone will come up with an idea.
 
Hell, I didn't see anyone saying "Nah, I'd rather exp over HNM's". What I see is people saying they're not coming to a Window 2 Faf at 3 AM.
 
Uh I'm not a leader.
From personal view and experience I considered you as one. You knew what the hell you were doing so I just assumed. Never /checked you that often so didn't know you weren't pearlsacked until Choco's screenshots.
 
well you could see where he made the mistake you might be a erragant jerk but you was dedicated.

Exactly, not saying the "erragant jerk" is right, because I didn't know you from a personal stance. The dedication part is why I said that.
 
I'm getting flamed for not accomplishing anything.. in a flame thread? O.o Chocobits is countered! Chocobits takes 148 damage!
Chocobits was defeated by irony.

I think people missed the part where I said the whole vent thing was pointless. I meant it was pointless TO ME. I refuse to follow Zyc. I don't care if the dude was terminally ill and undergoing life-saving surgery. If he knew he was going to be gone for protracted periods, the time to say something is beforehand. Not go on a blameshifting spree after the fact.

I would have stayed in Dez had yall mutinied and chosen a good leader. All the Zyc worship makes me sick. Everyone knows in HNMLS you kiss the boss's ass but Dez builds a fuckin alter to jerk off their leader on.

Had I gone into the convo in vent would I have heard some kind of apology or acceptance of responsibility from Zyc? Just do that shit over the LS. Words have the same meaning as text or sound, I don't need to be cajoled or serenaded.

There are a lot of really cool, really skilled players in Dez. With a leader and more of a democracy and less of a theocracy, yall would be a tier 1 linkshell. There are quite a few of you that I still consider friends. And a few that aren't worth the space your pixels take up.

I wanted to duck out of this early with a bit of grace but I haven't reached page 10 yet.. someone bet me I couldn't get to 10. I'd still like to keep it going for awhile, I know not all the dez haterz has comed out of the woodworks yet.
 
I'm getting flamed for not accomplishing anything.. in a flame thread? O.o Chocobits is countered! Chocobits takes 148 damage!
Chocobits was defeated by irony.

I think people missed the part where I said the whole vent thing was pointless. I meant it was pointless TO ME. I refuse to follow Zyc. I don't care if the dude was terminally ill and undergoing life-saving surgery. If he knew he was going to be gone for protracted periods, the time to say something is beforehand. Not go on a blameshifting spree after the fact.

I would have stayed in Dez had yall mutinied and chosen a good leader. All the Zyc worship makes me sick. Everyone knows in HNMLS you kiss the boss's ass but Dez builds a fuckin alter to jerk off their leader on.

Had I gone into the convo in vent would I have heard some kind of apology or acceptance of responsibility from Zyc? Just do that shit over the LS. Words have the same meaning as text or sound, I don't need to be cajoled or serenaded.

There are a lot of really cool, really skilled players in Dez. With a leader and more of a democracy and less of a theocracy, yall would be a tier 1 linkshell. There are quite a few of you that I still consider friends. And a few that aren't worth the space your pixels take up.

I wanted to duck out of this early with a bit of grace but I haven't reached page 10 yet.. someone bet me I couldn't get to 10. I'd still like to keep it going for awhile, I know not all the dez haterz has comed out of the woodworks yet.

Choco you're a retard. You're pretty much are saying "everything you do is wrong but I have no way to fix it." Saying the leader sucks without the balls to say you could do a better job is a pretty pussy move. Now you're mad people don't agree with you. Imagine that. No one here is even defending Zyc, they are however calling you immature for running to the flame board with what really is trivial bullshit that happens in most shells. Shooting for a huge flame while making the flame is usually grounds for fail anyhow.
 
I had a perfectly good suggestion on how to fix the shell. Make a new pearl and get a leader that isn't MIA with a couple speed belts worth of the LS banks gil and that cares enough to show up and take something other than gil, like responsibility.

Oh and how about accounting of the LS bank? People can sing to the heavens how many ebodies they passed up but when you've skimmed enough gil from the LS to buy 3 of them from another shell it hardly seems so altruistic.

This is a flameboard hun. What kind of endgame topics are juicier than a greedy leader? Everything seems trivial when you're the plaintiff. (Which you aren't because you left Dez how many months ago because they weren't doing "your kind of events") Why were you here again? I forgot. You've been out of Dez so long Zyc hadn't even said "brb" yet, and that was quite some time ago.
 
Saying the leader sucks without the balls to say you could do a better job is a pretty pussy move.

So, by your logic, no one can complain about the president, athletes, film makers, comedians, or the ffxi design team if they don't claim the ability to do better?
 
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