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Artem said:
You'd be amazed how willing people are to fix their problems when someone they trust is with them. If that doesn't work, take it to the authorities.
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Sometimes they realize you're "against" them, and their real wants. They may even be crafty enough to lie and trick you into thinking they're perfectly fine again. And then kill themselves when least expected.

I'm not just saying this to say it either, trust me, nothing sucks more than being told "Why the hell don't you want me to be happy?" when being happy involves suicide for that person, and your goal is to make this person at the very least content with life.


It's a real delicate issue because it's so personal. I wouldn't be amazed if there are some suicidal people, ready to kill themsevles, that can be saved by a 5 minute video on "what you have to live for". At the same time there are people that have to be fed only stuff likek apple sauce, else they would purposefully try to choke themselves because they're so intent on their "goal" and no one will ever talk them out of it.

So the "right thing" varies from person to person, but when it comes to this issue, overkill (911 on someone easily convinced not to by some good supportive talks) is better than getting it wrong (on the drive the pyschiatrist, person opens car door to kill themsevels, while friend/parent is driving and can't do anything to stop them)
 
Oh, for the love of God...

Chances are if your friend got to the point of suicide he's a pussy, his friends probably suck total ass, and he grew up in a harsh environment. But let's just assume that it was just an irrational decision out of the blue, blinded by something like alcohol (kind of like in the topic on Reality Sinks In). If for some reason your friend goes on to think you're against him there's more way more to the situation than was given in the last scenario given.

If he seriously thinks suicide is the best option after a failed attempt then what I said earlier about him, his friends, his family, and his environment are absolutely true. You don't just spring out of the blue with suicide. Your "other person" describes a psychotic person that needs professional help, not the aid of his so-called friends. Why? Because his friends suck donkey cock.
 
Antor said:
Oh, for the love of God...

Chances are if your friend got to the point of suicide he's a pussy, his friends probably suck total ass, and he grew up in a harsh environment. But let's just assume that it was just an irrational decision out of the blue, blinded by something like alcohol (kind of like in the topic on Reality Sinks In). If for some reason your friend goes on to think you're against him there's more way more to the situation than was given in the last scenario given.

If he seriously thinks suicide is the best option after a failed attempt then what I said earlier about him, his friends, his family, and his environment are absolutely true. You don't just spring out of the blue with suicide. Your "other person" describes a psychotic person that needs professional help, not the aid of his so-called friends. Why? Because his friends suck donkey cock.
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You're one of those rich boys whose most entire family is still alive, aren't you? I'd hafto hope so cause I don't see how you could spew such crap otherwise.

Everyone has a breaking point of how much they can handle. Some people can handle more than others. Once someone goes beyond the amount they can take, they can only be helped as much as they want to be helped. There is no magical "save your buddy if you're -this- good of a friend" thing going on. Trying to help them may save them, trying to help them may just push them further. There's virtually no way to know.


You go ahead and call names to people who're going through rough things in their life, whatever floats your boat. Just know that if you've never gone through that exact same circumstance, you don't know if you would or wouldn't be doing the same thing yourself.
 
I keep to myself mostly. I only express my feelings privately. Even then I can only do so over an IM system. I have a lot of trouble with doing these things verbally.

A week was probably a bit much, maybe a day or two. Self control is also another thing. This was a legitimate problem posted in the appropriate section. However if this was post #424626 by some emo kid still ridin in mom's minivan complaining about something that doesn't really matter I will be the first to reduce the topic to nothing more than Mudkips.
 
Mishaela said:
You're one of those rich boys whose most entire family is still alive, aren't you? I'd hafto hope so cause I don't see how you could spew such crap otherwise.
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I'm not, but I agree with him.

I've had 2 grandparents die to cancer, a dad killed by a stoner behind the wheel (just over a year ago), and helped carry the corpse of my girlfriend's uncle to the ambulence after watching him die from cancer a hour before. I have never thought of killing myself. I would go so far as to say, having a rough life and watching death first hand actually makes you more upset when you hear about someone trying to kill themselves.

I would image a rich kid who has been coddled their whole life would be more sympathetic to the one trying to kill themselves.
 
Mishaela said:
You're one of those rich boys whose most entire family is still alive, aren't you? I'd hafto hope so cause I don't see how you could spew such crap otherwise.

Everyone has a breaking point of how much they can handle. Some people can handle more than others. Once someone goes beyond the amount they can take, they can only be helped as much as they want to be helped. There is no magical "save your buddy if you're -this- good of a friend" thing going on. Trying to help them may save them, trying to help them may just push them further. There's virtually no way to know.


You go ahead and call names to people who're going through rough things in their life, whatever floats your boat. Just know that if you've never gone through that exact same circumstance, you don't know if you would or wouldn't be doing the same thing yourself.
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You have no clue who Antor is and what he's been through. He has had suicide in his family. So you better rethink your argument on the whole rich boy thing. Just because some people aren't soft towards something doesn't mean they haven't been through or don't understand.

A lot of us have been through friends who tried to kill themselves, me included. And I still think it was emo. You know why? Because just because I said it was emo, had absolutely no effect on the situation. If I didn't say emo, the person would still be dead or still trying to kill themselves. What does make a difference is being there for the person. You guys are caught in being all touchy about this subject, but the simple fact is if you been through it, you take it a whole lot lighter from other people opinions.

The reason I think this case was emo, because I don't think it was a suicide attempt, just a plea for attention (hence emo). Like I said early if he cut himself intending to die, he would be dead in 10 minutes on the floor of the kitchen, in 5 outside in freezing temperature. Still should go see a shrink though, cause that can develop into an actual suicide attempt. If you really think it was a suicide attempt, you should have called the cops.

It is illegal to try to kill yourself and fail, so they would place him into psychiatric help.
 
Suicide isn't a joke. I had a cousion kill herself cause she got raped and pregnant.

Does that make her a pussy, Antor?
 
Antor said:
Oh, for the love of God...

Chances are if your friend got to the point of suicide he's a pussy, his friends probably suck total ass, and he grew up in a harsh environment. But let's just assume that it was just an irrational decision out of the blue, blinded by something like alcohol (kind of like in the topic on Reality Sinks In). If for some reason your friend goes on to think you're against him there's more way more to the situation than was given in the last scenario given.

If he seriously thinks suicide is the best option after a failed attempt then what I said earlier about him, his friends, his family, and his environment are absolutely true. You don't just spring out of the blue with suicide. Your "other person" describes a psychotic person that needs professional help, not the aid of his so-called friends. Why? Because his friends suck donkey cock.
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Your a cock sucking maggoty piece of shit you mother fucker. How dare you call someone a pussy because they reach a breaking point. You must be fucking god if you can throw those kind of insults at someone. What the fuck do you know to be involved in this? At least the people who have posted with their own experiences HAD their own experiences to post about. Maybe when someone close to you is taken from you by their own hand you'll realize how great of an impact suicide can have. Until that time, shut your god damn mouth, cuz no one wants to fuckin hear it.
 
I watched a news report show last night about farmers dealing with a drought in Autstrailia. I think it's been going on for about 10 years now, and scientists said it was possibly the worst on record for 1000 years. Farmers who had cattle stock in the thousands now have less than a hundred. There is no grass for the cows to eat. They are so emaciated they can't even stand up, they have to pick them up with tractors to get them to their feet to move them. They have to put them down once they get so bad there is no return. Farmers whose farms have been in their families probably since Austrailia was first colonized are losing everything. They aren't recieving any kind of support from the government or anyone else to help the situation. They said every 4 days another farmer commits suicide there.

As i was watching this show, one thing DID NOT come to mind, that these guys were pussies for killing themselves. As Mish said, every person on this planet has a breaking point, every one. You can take whatever stance on suicide you want, but simply dismissing someone as a pussy or emo is pretty small minded. You yourself may not have been taken past your breaking point, and congratulations for that, but that doesn't exactly make you the Man of Steel. While one person may be pushed over the edge by the death of a loved one, another person could be the only survivor from a whole town wiped out by the '04 Tsunami and still be around today.

Before you start patting yourself on the back for how much you've been through and never thought about it, step back and realize not everyone is you. Just like how someone may be better at basketball, or run faster than you, that doesn't make them a better person than you. I will admit that i personally have known people that have tried or accomplished killing themselves for what seemed to me as something trivial. The thing is, it wasn't so trivial to them obviously.

Ask anyone that knows me I'm no "carebear" as you kids say, most of which probably weren't even alive when the show came on TV lol. I'm likely to get a laugh out of some emo kid doing something dumb, but there's a difference between that, and someone that has a legitimate mental illness. I'm not going to laugh at that any more than i'd laugh at someone who had stomach cancer or lost a limb in an accident. Someone who's sick isn't a pussy because of it, and neither is someone who hasn't lost more than you and stuck it out.
 
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Soujiro said:
I watched a news report show last night about farmers dealing with a drought in Autstrailia. I think it's been going on for about 10 years now, and scientists said it was possibly the worst on record for 1000 years. Farmers who had cattle stock in the thousands now have less than a hundred. There is no grass for the cows to eat. They are so emaciated they can't even stand up, they have to pick them up with tractors to get them to their feet to move them. They have to put them down once they get so bad there is no return. Farmers whose farms have been in their families probably since Austrailia was first colonized are losing everything. They aren't recieving any kind of support from the government or anyone else to help the situation. They said every 4 days another farmer commits suicide there.

As i was watching this show, one thing DID NOT come to mind, that these guys were pussies for killing themselves. As Mish said, every person on this planet has a breaking point, every one. You can take whatever stance on suicide you want, but simply dismissing someone as a pussy or emo is pretty small minded. You yourself may not have been taken past your breaking point, and congratulations for that, but that doesn't exactly make you the Man of Steel. While one person may be pushed over the edge by the death of a loved one, another person could be the only survivor from a whole town wiped out by the '04 Tsunami and still be around today.

Before you start patting yourself on the back for how much you've been through and never thought about it, step back and realize not everyone is you. Just like how someone may be better at basketball, or run faster than you, that doesn't make them a better person than you. I will admit that i personally have known people that have tried or accomplished killing themselves for what seemed to me as something trivial. The thing is, it wasn't so trivial to them obviously.

Ask anyone that knows me I'm no "carebear" as you kids say, most of which probably weren't even alive when the show came on TV lol. I'm likely to get a laugh out of some emo kid doing something dumb, but there's a difference between that, and someone that has a legitimate mental illness. I'm not going to laugh at that any more than i'd laugh at someone who had stomach cancer or lost a limb in an accident. Someone who's sick isn't a pussy because of it, and neither is someone who hasn't lost more than you and stuck it out.
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Very well put. Also, as someone old enough to remember it, the Carebears cartoon rocked. ;)
 
If you are a believer: Suicide = Hell

If you don't believe: Suicide = Restart Button (but you can return as a rabbit thou)...
 
Negorissimo said:
If you are a believer in Christianity: Suicide = Hell

If you believe in reincarnation: Suicide = Restart Button (but you can return as a rabbit thou)...
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Negorissimo said:
If you are a believer in catholosism: Suicide = Hell

If you don't believe: Suicide = Restart Button (but you can return as Pamala andersons tampon thou)...
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Fixed again!
 
Negorissimo said:
If you are a believer: Suicide = Hell

If you don't believe: Suicide = Restart Button (but you can return as a rabbit thou)...
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This thread isn't a religious debate from what I've seen.
 
Back to original post. Ban has been lifted, someone actually send me a very compelling PM that made me change my mind. Since the ban is lifted this thread is now null and void. The big ol' close is comin!
 
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