DRK 6-hit setup

[Meximan]

what they're saying is the more you cast, the less you swing. If you need 6mp/tick for merit pt you're casting wayyyy too much, also you CAN aspir birds and wyvs >.>

edit: dump plastron and buy a pcc.

Eh i'll pass i've been playin alot longer then most of you, and yes i cast alot. BUT I also cast at the right times I dont cast in a middle of a fight when you should be attacking thats the givin. You guys just need to develop a technique of when to cast, being on top of it, and either do it or dont its one or the other.

 

[Necrosis]

So wait, let me get this straight. You "need" plastron to compensate for MP lost from absorb-acc(dex) to compensate for acc by not using hauby in the first place? Silly, lol.

With a RDM, I've never had problems with DRKs running out of MP, though, as long as they're not going overboard on the casting.

 

[Bladewind]

Eh i'll pass i've been playin alot longer then most of you,

I've not leveled drk myself so can't really comment on the current topic, but this quote is not a valid point in defence of a piece of gear.

 

[Meximan]

naw not for "only" abs-acc, like i said i havent played since they added it. But I need plastron to compensate for keeping abs-str up. Abs-dex exc. is only if your missin alot, not to mention the mp cost of DrainII and D.Spikes.

It adds up lets see constanly casting abs-tp+str/or dex, + stuning at the right time just before you abs tp, and drainII(at full HP) before SE+WS mp drainage adds up quickly with what mp pool we drks have.

66mp every 45-60sec + 25mp stun= 91mp a min~
then your 21mp drain + 37mp drainII + 78mp D.spikes = 136mp

So 6mp/tick refresh doesnt sound all that rediculouse.

 

[Meximan]

I've not leveled drk myself so can't really comment on the current topic, but this quote is not a valid point in defence of a piece of gear.

Oh yeah my fault I was a lil vauge when saying that, what i ment by i've been playin alot longer is that I've found a way to make plastron work with my style of game play is all I ment.

 

[K. Ishitar]

91 mp a min? elf drk has a base pool around 200ish or so? that just sounds too high of a price for a drk in merit if they "need" to use that much mp over time

I rarely have to refresh a drk and usually it's after the tenth mob or so

then we consider adding the bottom, why try to keep d.spikes up? hate can get bouncy in a merit a lot unless you're pretty much tanking them

dunno about that mp list but that seems a bit much all that casting and some you *may* need imo is more than necessary, mobs die pretty fast

 

[Necrosis]

It's completely not necessary to cast all that, benefit is minimal to nonexistant (keep in mind you're losing hits).

 

[Meximan]

you forget the changed the spell cast time down to 2sec so when you lose 1 swing and add 21~str I can add 200-400 dmg to 2-3 WSs so I dont see a loss.

and if you dont wanna cast go lv war and gtfo! =p



Edit: oh yeah and abs-tp doesnt count when missin a swing cause you go strait to WS when you cast right.

 

[etchdog2000]

parses talk. I remember a time, like 3-4 years ago (pre Abs TP), I parsed agaisnt you and Staralfur in a DRK vs DRK vs DRK parse. And you and star had better gear then me at the time, and I somehow won the parse. The reason is I thought I won that parse back then was you guys casted all the time. You guys both used abs STR and DEX all the time. You guys clearly had better gear then me back then and should have smashed me.

I still to this day dont know for sure that was the reason, but that is what my thought was. I know TONS has changed since those days, between gear, merits, spells, but the play style still holds true.

 

[Nakoa]

ok so let's get this straight:
hauberk +1 + PCC: 6 str, 6 dex, 16.5 atk, 26.5 acc

vs.

plastron + p.gorget: 8 str, 22 atk, +14% dmg taken, +10 mp, and a couple mp per tick

you're gonna need abs-acc up full-time to compensate for accuracy lost from plastron, not to mention if you're on birds with the amount of spells you're casting one of em is bound to land on whoever has hate, drain2 on an ally followed by pecking fury isn't very pretty :/

 

[Tyrath]

21 str wont add 200-400 dmg to guillotine...

 

[Meximan]

parses talk. I remember a time, like 3-4 years ago (pre Abs TP), I parsed agaisnt you and Staralfur in a DRK vs DRK vs DRK parse. And you and star had better gear then me at the time, and I somehow won the parse. The reason is I thought I won that parse back then was you guys casted all the time. You guys both used abs STR and DEX all the time. You guys clearly had better gear then me back then and should have smashed me.

I still to this day dont know for sure that was the reason, but that is what my thought was. I know TONS has changed since those days, between gear, merits, spells, but the play style still holds true.

I think that was durring the lolaxe faze, so ofcourse I did less dmg. :/

 

[Tomasello]

not to mention if you're on birds with the amount of spells you're casting one of em is bound to land on whoever has hate, drain2 on an ally followed by pecking fury isn't very pretty :/

Not to mention birds will reflect back, Absorb-STR, Absorb-Acc, Stun, Drain II and whatever else u cast on it. Either gimping yourself or an unlucky member of your pt who pulls hate in the process.

66mp every 45-60sec + 25mp stun= 91mp a min~
then your 21mp drain + 37mp drainII + 78mp D.spikes = 136mp

I'm sorry, you do way too much casting. In an even decent merit pt I have time TOPS to fire of one spell per battle. If your brd is even an average puller then there is always a bird at camp and simply not enough time to cast all that junk. You cast all that and by the time you engage the mob it'll already be at below 50% life lol.

Don't waste mp on drain(s) thats what healers are for. Don't bother with Spikes either, if you pull hate that bad that your constantly needing Spikes sub /ninja. I do use Stun and Weaponbash however when I pull hate because there virtually instacast and will buy me 5-10 secs for the mob to die and not be such an mp leech.

Absorb-Spells are meh. 2-3 secs is still an eternity when the mobs you are fight dies in 15 secs and to be honest you will parse better not using them versus the added benefit it gives to a weaponskill. As mentioned 21 STR is not lol 200-400 dmg more.

 

[Blazeoffury]

ok so let's get this straight:
hauberk +1 + PCC: 6 str, 6 dex, 16.5 atk, 26.5 acc

vs.

plastron + p.gorget: 8 str, 22 atk, +14% dmg taken, +10 mp, and a couple mp per tick

you're gonna need abs-acc up full-time to compensate for accuracy lost from plastron, not to mention if you're on birds with the amount of spells you're casting one of em is bound to land on whoever has hate, drain2 on an ally followed by pecking fury isn't very pretty :/

except that your argument completely fails because you failed to read he doesn't use Pgorget for tp, only between fights.... Go back read his posts, edit yours, don't look like a jackass.

 

[etchdog2000]

I think that was durring the lolaxe faze, so ofcourse I did less dmg. :/

I used axes as well though, You used Maneater/Woody, and I used 2 tabarzins.....

 

[Dayner]

so what about exping / merit in full ares ? ;p

so far i only join 2 merit party at Mamool Ja north camp and did well even on thf and nin
while useing meat

 

[Necrosis]

Unless you have apoc or are meriting at birds, you're not going to be capping acc with ares.

edit: uhh, didn't really read your post, but full ares? Why the hell would you want to do that? I thought you were referring to body vs. hauby+1

 

[Dayner]

well i was missing bad on thf if they did a warm-up move but i do have good acc on normal Mamool even with warm-up but sadly i dont have anything to back me up

but iam up to exp with anyone to test it out

 

[artielange]

Not really. I log on, and first thing I have to deal with is a message from Artie asking if I am out of my fucking mind and Jakey is going ape tit over my "challenge".

ok, im not on here much so please forgive me. bry, i sent u that message w/o checking the forum first and for that i apologize. i reacted the way i did as a result of a convo in ls chat in which jakey was referring to ur "challenge", and ya they pretty much lol'd. i never said he was going "ape tit" over it. i said what i said because i knew what the outcome would be, and i wanted to spare u the thrashing u'd most likely get on this forum from ppl who'd take such opportunity as an excuse to try and be witty at ur expense. most ppl dont parse for fun (especially the ones who post their parse results on this forum), they parse for e-peen rights to say i pwn joo! i thought i was lookin out for ya, but apparently i need to choose my words more carefully.

 

[Nakoa]

except that your argument completely fails because you failed to read he doesn't use Pgorget for tp, only between fights.... Go back read his posts, edit yours, don't look like a jackass.

If you have enough time to make it even worth while to swap in p.gorget between fights somethings wrong with your party.