{English}PT{No thanks.}

Japanese are so superior. That's why they have shitty players just like North American and European players.

I remember a Japanese party member said he hates it when people call them "JP". So he didn't use it nor did he use "NA".

I always see someone type "JP" and instantly think Jurassic Park. God those movies where cool.

Trust me, Japanese have just as many shitty players as we do.
 
Japanese are so superior. That's why they have shitty players just like North American and European players.

I remember a Japanese party member said he hates it when people call them "JP". So he didn't use it nor did he use "NA".

I always see someone type "JP" and instantly think Jurassic Park. God those movies where cool.

Trust me, Japanese have just as many shitty players as we do.

Too bad the third one sucked balls.
 
I know the whole thread is full of this, but I wanted to add to it. I've been trying to merit for the past few nights, and every single JP bard I have asked is JP-only.

It's so racist. Last night I made a party full of NA players (because I had to) and we hit chain 250+. Any JP player would be happy with that...why do they automatically assume that we're bad players? Is the auto-translate really that inconvenient to use for them?

And I'm really tired of hearing that it's because NA parties are mostly crap and JA parties are godly...that's a stupid stereotype, I've seen no evidence to back it up.

Sorry if what I'm saying is redundant, but I'm fucking sick of it.
Or it could just be because they're a brd and can pick and choose parties as they please. There's always some idiot who doesn't stand in the right place for songs, it's waaay easier to yell at them to stand where you want when you both speak the same language.
 
Ermm I dunno, Im JP and cruising forums seeing people make fun of Engrish and saying JP button etc etc is kinda discouraging. Why do you want us in your party if you're just gonna make fun of us you know? >0<;
 
Ermm I dunno, Im JP and cruising forums seeing people make fun of Engrish and saying JP button etc etc is kinda discouraging. Why do you want us in your party if you're just gonna make fun of us you know? >0<;

First off... I win this thread because and yes I have witness's. I went from lvl 12-75 on my BRD with my search comment saying and I quote: "{Japanese} {No Thanks}" Never missed a day with that comment until a few merit parties after I hit 75 I stopped doing it. Still got invites from them from time to time and my response yep... "{Japanese} {No Thanks}".

Second of all... I don't normally party with JP's unless I know them already because of terrible experiences with them. I.E. 17 English players 1 JP at O. Hat run. 1 JP CFH on 2 clusters glad they weren't mine! ^^ Thats 1 of many absolutely HORRID experiences I've had with them.

I was in a party today and this guy replaced himself with a JP THF and said oh he's JP so he must be better then I am. My response: "That's a stereo type like all black men can jump."

Um... NO I'd be willing to bet on average the average JP is much worse then the average English player.

Taking in effect only counting lvl 75 players. Only because the MASS population of new players we have.

I prefer not to deal with JP's if I can avoid them. If I can annoy them I just might. ^^ There's a few JP's left from the olden days when JP's were amazingly good. I know Ronin he's one of the better JP's on the sever and has been around about the same amount of time as me.

I don't mean to sound racist in any way I'm not whatsoever but I do not appreciate some of the things I've seen them do to many English players I know a lot of them are more against us then we are against them. I do things with them from time to time but only the ones I either know or I can tell are pretty reputable by their gear and merits. I promise you I'm not racist at all. I just choose to have the least amount to do with them as I possibly can.
 
You know the whole "JP players are better" started because they simply had been playing the game longer than us, right? After about a year or so that line slowly started to disappear.

The whole "JP ONLY" thing, though, is mostly because they're too embarrassed to talk in English (at least when I was in Japan a lot of people would nervously laugh when they were talking to me) or because they do not want to deal with partying with non-Japanese players due to language barriers (I hate having to speak in auto-translate, to be perfectly honest). I think that a lot of them think we'll make fun of them if they say something wrong when chances are they probably type better than your average English-speaking player.
 
You know the whole "JP players are better" started because they simply had been playing the game longer than us, right? After about a year or so that line slowly started to disappear.

The whole "JP ONLY" thing, though, is mostly because they're too embarrassed to talk in English (at least when I was in Japan a lot of people would nervously laugh when they were talking to me) or because they do not want to deal with partying with non-Japanese players due to language barriers (I hate having to speak in auto-translate, to be perfectly honest). I think that a lot of them think we'll make fun of them if they say something wrong when chances are they probably type better than your average English-speaking player.

It was not only because they have played longer but they also used to be freaking amazing the shit they did with less people and worse gear then we have now. We are now doing stuff with small amounts of people that they were back then but their gear and less job choices and less merits was far worse then what we have now.

Your partly right they are embarrassed to some extent and some feel very strongly that way. But I remember after the 360 release I don't know if it was because of the mass that came onto the game or what but they became very mean with the English players and did a fuck load of shitty things to us, way more then could possibly be considered "on accident".

They seem to not be that way so much anymore now they seem to just rather leave us alone which is how I like it best. ^^
 
You may not be racist, but you sure do stereotype a lot.
"they became very mean" I dont remember doing this to English players at the 360 release, maybe I didnt get the email to every Japanese person in the world :(
 
Ermm I dunno, Im JP and cruising forums seeing people make fun of Engrish and saying JP button etc etc is kinda discouraging. Why do you want us in your party if you're just gonna make fun of us you know? >0<;

While Engrish is a bit of a mean (albeit usually playful) jab, the whole "JP button" thing is based on the fact that they seem to get claims and drops much more often, as well as...well...jail NA players for crap when vice-versa would get a "we'll look into it". But it is, in the end, more of a thing to laugh about.

One thing I've always been confused of. While I know many JP are a bit embarrassed because they're afraid they'll mess up their English, I've actually seen almost no one actually laugh in their face when they do misuse words and such...
However...
...I've seen many JP act incredibly hateful towards something as simple as Romanji. I was told just last week to go kill myself when I started asking the party in Romanji if the SAM minded pulling.

Not all NA are mean, and I know not all JP are mean...on the contrary, most of both groups are rather nice, but unfortunately misunderstanding of thiings...communication is much more vital to the world than most want to acknowledge. I'm just saying, it's most definitely not one side bullying the other, though each group really has some things they should try to work on more. =/ There's bad things in the world, but you can't put the blame on entire communities, but only the single people themselves.
 
It was not only because they have played longer but they also used to be freaking amazing the shit they did with less people and worse gear then we have now. We are now doing stuff with small amounts of people that they were back then but their gear and less job choices and less merits was far worse then what we have now.

Does anyone else see the flaw in this? I don't even feel like pointing it out. They never did anything amazing unless you think 3k exp/hour is "amazing."
 
So this Romanji thing, guessing it's a lower form of Japanese? Lower form as in less formal and more "understood" subject-verb agreements(think that's the righ term).

Kinda like in Spanish there is Castille(very formal and proper,albeit difficult to master) and other forms that are less formal and "understood"
 
While Engrish is a bit of a mean (albeit usually playful) jab, the whole "JP button" thing is based on the fact that they seem to get claims and drops much more often, as well as...well...jail NA players for crap when vice-versa would get a "we'll look into it". But it is, in the end, more of a thing to laugh about.

I think on a higher level this could be compared to the whole bullying thing where one kid gets punched and the other was "just foolin around" because it didnt seem like a bad thing to them. As for the whole getting more claims drops etc you cant honestly believe that. There are both US and JP GMs so I highly doubt they get special treatment when it comes to jail etc. Its like saying a US GM gives you special treatment because you are from the US, its just kinda absurd.

There are a bunch of A-hole JPs just like there are a bunch of US A-holes, but making generalizations like "Um... NO I'd be willing to bet on average the average JP is much worse then the average English player." is pretty lame. People like that is why I would want to stop palying with English players, alas I'd be willing to bet on average the average English player isnt as thick headed as that one.
 
Khidir said:
So this Romanji thing, guessing it's a lower form of Japanese? Lower form as in less formal and more "understood" subject-verb agreements(think that's the righ term).

It's Japanese words written with English lettering, more or less. For some odd reason, many seem to find Romanji incredibly offensive, no idea as to why.

Mooshywooshy said:
There are a bunch of A-hole JPs just like there are a bunch of US A-holes, but making generalizations like "Um... NO I'd be willing to bet on average the average JP is much worse then the average English player." is pretty lame. People like that is why I would want to stop palying with English players, alas I'd be willing to bet on average the average English player isnt as thick headed as that one.

I've never seen any distinguishable difference in skill between any of the nationalities that play the game personally, so I'd hafto agree that such a stereotype is just awkward.

Regarding "bullying" - again, it's quite subjective as yes, some may just be "goofing around", but it's not as though it's NA always throwing the mean jabs. As I've said before, I've been actually told to kill myself simply for speaking in Romanji - as a joke that's not really funny, and it'd be that much worse if he were serious.

To explain the bias towards claims and GM calls - I'm sure you've heard of Avesta. He has recorded proof of GMs jailing people MPKing him within the second. It's for reasons like that that many people joke about the bias, since people who have caused entire linkshells to wipe via MPK often have only gotten slaps on the wrist even when they've given just as much (if not more) proof.

Me and my friends often see duos, even solos, warp hack up the Oldton -> Newton bridge (this normally requires a duo with mazurka or flee to pull off, and solo it's entirely impossible) - GMs only "look into it." I've had old friends suspended, later on BANNED, for using WLegs in town and getting GMed for "flee hacking". Based on recurring issues such as these, people can readily say that there's a rather bad bias on the GMs at the very least. Whether the bias is true or not I don't know, just giving my point of view.


I can understand your frustration, as many people can be very mean, but I can't stress how much it's not just one side. I mean there's parties where I've seen people speaking in Japanese about how [x] person in party sucks and go about laughing about it because they don't think the person can understand what they're saying...


I dunno where I'm meaning to go with this...just, saying one side is meaner, kinder, more-or-less skilled, dumber or smarter than either side...it's just ridiculous. Both sides have their own faults, but it's our own faults if we don't know how to deal with 'em.
 
I agree, I think if a JP doesn't wanna party with English speaking people then they have their own reasons, there isn't any real answer as to why they don't want to. One could be embarrassed with their English abilities and the next could be racist, who knows aside from the player him/herself. Dont read too much into what the auto translation says, just because it says [English] PT [No thanks] doesnt mean it says [Im racist and all English pigs need to die and rot in a flaming hell with flying bungholes and pee ponds].
 
If you ever pt on jp time, many seeking do not use the comment " English pt no thx" and the ones that do, sometimes take the invite anyway. Even Jp players get tired of seeking for hrs ;).
 
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