"Expanding" Endgame Linkshells

U were being sarcastic so my response was sarcastic? what u can't take what u dish out? One another note stop going off topic the topic was dynamis and I think I just settled. There's nothing left to discuss.

Um its settled when the OP states or the Mod, and both of which have not requested that this thread be locked.

This has everything to do with the post, you steal members, you need to grow up, you need to think about the feelings of others before making actions. All these have 100% to do w/ the OPs flameg
 
Reposting this shit Just incase u didnt see it rone

LOL is that a threat sir? because last i checked, THREATS ARE NO JOKE. LOL Rone, you havent changed a bit. You were a loser back then, and still are. Your linkshell might be good, but the leader is weak.


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Wouldnt be the first time u poached members from other linkshells now would it. Isnt it true when u called Aerial Nexus a bunch of fucktards, and left because mommy didnt breast feed u enough on Egear. You tried to undermine them and recruit all their Mages/tanks/DD? wasnt it you that told them that AN was a bunch of fucktard screw ups cuz they didnt kiss u at night and give you the "Gear you deserved" from the Gods they popped? Grow up
 
Gotta love LS leaders that think coming here and trashtalking somehow enhances their reputation.

Please continue ^^
 
My my, what an amusing little discussion this has grown into. I particularly like the paragon of a leader here, with his clear and to the point explanations, completely understandable behavior, ability to handle things directly with individual members of his shell, and cool-headed mild-mannered diplomatic attitude when subject to public criticism.

Regardless of how this Dynamis issue turns out, I can rest happily at night knowing that your shell is in such good hands.

Oh wait...

(Well, I think I can still rest happily, having giggled myself to sleep at the expense of others.)
 
My my, what an amusing little discussion this has grown into. I particularly like the paragon of a leader here, with his clear and to the point explanations, completely understandable behavior, ability to handle things directly with individual members of his shell, and cool-headed mild-mannered diplomatic attitude when subject to public criticism.

Regardless of how this Dynamis issue turns out, I can rest happily at night knowing that your shell is in such good hands.

Oh wait...

(Well, I think I can still rest happily, having giggled myself to sleep at the expense of others.)

Did KV feed u ecrack again Vil? >.> lol j/k..
 
Lol, hey how about you address the points i'm making? Or are you going to continue avoiding them? ^^

And maybe read Rae's post, she pretty much tells you clearly how you ARE indirectly forcing your members to do your Dynamis :)

this is called passive aggression just the proper term for it if you wish to know
 
Did KV feed u ecrack again Vil? >.> lol j/k..

On the contrary, it's merely that I've discovered a role model. Fictional, unfortunately, but well worth emulating nonetheless.
 
On the contrary, it's merely that I've discovered a role model. Fictional, unfortunately, but well worth emulating nonetheless.

I thought I was your role model?
 
You may have not said it yourself but this is where I pretty much came to the conclusion that you are "placing blame on your members."

Here's one. Notice the bolded part.
To this day there are STILL MEMBERS who do dynamis with OTHER shells and we do not penalize them. Do we like it of course not, that's why we've ASKED them to migrate. In the end the choice, like I've stated before, lies with the members in question IT IS THEY"RE CHOICE to stay in their current shells or migrate over BUT like I've said before the majority of our shell just WANTS everyone under 1 shell but we cannot force ANYONE and we don't force anyone to migrate.
Oooh peer pressure can be a bish.
Majority+all.....= everyone?

And another....
The only reason I even brought up dedication was because I was accused of threathening to break pearls BUT during the meeting about dynamis etc we also talked about tardyness jumping between those two subjects an officer said "If you're not dedicated drop your pearl" which was aimed towards those who show no respect for others time.

I brought it up to make it clear i never threathened to break anyone's pearl by doing dynamis with other shells. and that MEMBERS COULD have mis-interpreted that comment as directed towards dynamis. As the person who made the comment has in all seriously trouble explaning himself I've just played with him long enough and knew who he was directing that comment to.
You should have made absolutely, 100% sure that everyone was on the same page. No misunderstandings, misinterpretations, nada. Not "could."

And when we address LS issues we do not speak to individulas directly most of the time we talk in out in the LS so everyone that's there knows and understands the situation. We try and let everyone to get they're opinions in on the matter at hand.
Now, let's just say not everyone was on the same page. Maybe they weren't exactly paying attention or their cat jumped out the window or something.
I think people are pretty sensitive when they see the words "break" and "pearl" in the same sentence. Yes, misinterpreting can happen, misunderstandings can happen. As a leader, you have to make sure you get everyone's input/feedback.

I never threathened to break anyone's linkshell. It was stated by other officers if a members was not ready to do end game events and cannot be dedicated they're free to drop the LS.

To this day we do not penalize or give extra points to those who do or don't do dynamis with us. Dynamis is in a category of it's own. WE HAVE SIMLPLY ASKED members to consider switching because the MAJORITY wants 1 shell and ALL members to do everything in-house TO STOP SCHEDULING CONFLICTS. I have never forced people to leave I told them all to THINK and CONSIDER IT. To this day there are still people who have scheduling conflicts because of their prior engagements BUT we deal with the missing members and Keep doing what we do.
Again with the peer pressure.

Rone said:
As far as WHEN I told my members about this; it was about two weeks ago that we had a meeting about this issue. As far as members disappearing over night that was not how I wanted them to leave a shell IF THEY DECIDED to leave. I told them to leave in the best possible way without ruining they're reputation so if it takes a month, two months, 3 months ir order for them to allow they're dynamis shells to find and train replacements and also work off what they've obtained I was all for it. IF you have a problem with members leaving overnight take it up with the person that left. In the 2 weeks that've we've been doing dynamis I have seen only 1 person that said they were already in another dynamis shell but did a run with us. So if there are more that left and are saying they're now doing dynamis with us that is not the case.
Did you make it clear to your members about the way of leaving the other shells? Did you say that you would not mind if they didn't join the rest of the members immdiately? From what I'm guessing the people that did leave Spiftastic were not given 2 weeks notice. I'm not one of the officers so I can only assume so much. If they were, they would have told the officers the possible 2-week notice. Perhaps some did do that.
Take it up with the person that left overnight? Please.
If they left overnight like that, sure there's going to be some beef.

Misinterpretation and reading between the lines are two entirely different things, the fact that you blatently said we want dedication vs skipping out on events was clarified when you said we want you all to be in our dynamis linkshell IE. when you said you wanted people to be in epitomes linkshell. This was stated here as well as when a friend of mine told me about your linkshell's meeting.
I'm just quoting this one for emphasis.

So from reading all that, it did sound to me that you were indirectly saying "Don't point fingers at me, point it at those who left!"
Now in all seriousness, a leader has to make sure the officers AND the members to be on the same page.
If you had told them that they can join up with you guys for dynamis eventually, that there is absolutely no pressure, probably we wouldn't be seeing this trend of losing members.

Peer pressure can be a bish and so can misinterpretations. Maybe thats why some people thought they were given an ultimatum so to speak.
 
pc+1

I love these arguments.
 
So wow at the latter part of this thread. I don't know about the other LS involved that were forcing their members to join, but I do know that Perseverance does not. Do I obtain a slight advantage with the 6 points maybe but I wouldn't call it significant.

I started off in TDS as my first and only Dynamis shell and enjoyed it. I was lucky enough to obtain 6/6 RDM AF2 with them. It later broke and turned into Encore which I joined as well. I joined and ran with them even though I had all of the AF2 I needed for my main job and had no other job to really lot on yet. Am I expecting a pat on the back for doing so, no. Just stating there are some of us out there who do stick around to run with friends after obtaining all of their gear.

I knew about Perseverance starting up a Dynamis part of the shell months ago as did everyone else. It wasn't something that was sprung on us and we scrambled to get out of our current shells. As far as I am aware all of the leaders were aware as well. I still run with Encore on my Tuesday nights and run with Perseverance on Saturdays. Both of my shells are aware of this and to date I don't think either have an issue with it. On occasion I will run with Perseverance on more important runs like an Attestation run if numbers are low, but on the same token I have also ran with Encore on a Saturday for a Northlands run when their numbers were low.

To me personally I don't feel like the 6 points is that detrimental to me obtaining gear. I have most of the gear I want already and cant complain with the gear I have already obtained with my HNM/Sky Shell. I may not parade it around or have some of it uncursed yet but I am pimped out nor considered gimped in my gear by any means. In all reality I still obtain a high % of points without running both days with Perseverance in Dynamis and without running with the internal Limbus group they have also.

In my opinion the people having the complaints with members leaving shouldn't blame the LS leaders as it is at fault of the players as well. I don't know just my 2 cents worth.
 
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My name is Souldemon. I'm a former member of the ls Fearless on the server Phoenix. Our motto or rather our leader Reaperx's motto was no drama, and mine was to have fun. Guess he forgot to add that in, LOL, but anyways is anyone in need of a veteran player? I'm going to be playing again soon and am in need of a few good freinds on a good ls. I'm a devoted player and I'm ready to be so again for another ls on a new server. Do to that I've been out of the game do to some questionable circumstances I am returning. I assume most of you are on the same server. So just let me know if you have need of me. I'd like to see this Sky LS I keep hearing so much about.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL
 
My name is Souldemon. I'm a former member of the ls Fearless on the server Phoenix. Our motto or rather our leader Reaperx's motto was no drama, and mine was to have fun. Guess he forgot to add that in, LOL, but anyways is anyone in need of a veteran player? I'm going to be playing again soon and am in need of a few good freinds on a good ls. I'm a devoted player and I'm ready to be so again for another ls on a new server. Do to that I've been out of the game do to some questionable circumstances I am returning. I assume most of you are on the same server. So just let me know if you have need of me. I'd like to see this Sky LS I keep hearing so much about.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL

Lol Great skills of deduction there chief. Who would have thought that players on a site called Quetzalcoatl Daily News would be on the same server. Genius.

Also we really don't like people who use hacks and sell gil. (This is in regards to bolded part.)
 
Alrighty, i'mma attempt to try and clear things up. Many of times when an event was scheduled such as farming or even gods, several valuable people would need to come late or leave early because they had dynamis.

This has gone on for quiet a while, and up until recently one of the officers, that ran his own dynamis ls, suggested we make an ls dynamis. This circulated around the ls for quiet a while, at least a month or two.

It was about a month ago some of the officers were trying to find times that suited everyone best. It was also mentioned how it was encouraged for them to come to our dynamis ls. I would like to assume this was many people's indication that this was their "heads up".

In anycase, it was down to the finally week before we started our first dynamis. I do believe this possible "ultimatum" was brought up after a harsh struggle with Kirin. We have a total of 8 blms, 2 were MIA and 3 were in Dynamis. I believe it was said toward the more undedicated people, ones that lounge around and exp during events, that if end-game is something you do not wish to do you should not be here.

In this, i believe it was also stated that dynamis people were much wanted to join the Ls dynamis. It was bring us down having some people leave mid events for dynamis. I truely believe that is where that ultimatum lies before us.

Yes the words, if your not ready for this end-game ls go ahead and drop your pearls, was used. I do believe that was pointed toward the dynamis people as well. I also do believe it was rather harsh to give such a choice. Even i felt temped to drop my pearl only because i too hate being given such ultimatums.

After a strong argument among the members, it was decided people do have several months to continue with there current time, to attempt not to leave on bad terms.

As clearly seen, it's not going as well as hoped. Then maybe a new course of action should be taken. We have not kicked or penalized anyone for still being in there own ls. I truely doubt we will as well. It's hard to resolve this and have everyone happy. I am unsure of what could possibly be done as well. All i have left is to ask, what possible suggests do you wonderful and intelligent group of people have to offer that can make this, as "win win" situtation?
 
LOL I walked right into that one. No I'm not an rmt or I wouldnt be playing the game now would I? And by playing I dont mean being a drone aimlessly killing for hours anything that'll drop me an item that will yeild to me a higher share of gil at the AH. Anyways I'm from pheonix and I've never played on Quetzalcoatl LOL and yet............. I'm typing on your threads. That's why I assume most of you are on that server. Anyways you all seem like a lively bunch... been here like an hour and already taking hits on my questionable errors on thought and speech. LOL I give you props Romperstomper :) But I really am looking for a new server where I can leave behind all the drama that the notorious LS Materia has left players on my old server of Pheonix.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!
 
LOL I walked right into that one. No I'm not an rmt or I wouldnt be playing the game now would I? And by playing I dont mean being a drone aimlessly killing for hours anything that'll drop me an item that will yeild to me a higher share of gil at the AH. Anyways I'm from pheonix and I've never played on Quetzalcoatl LOL and yet............. I'm typing on your threads. That's why I assume most of you are on that server. Anyways you all seem like a lively bunch... been here like an hour and already taking hits on my questionable errors on thought and speech. LOL I give you props Romperstomper :) But I really am looking for a new server where I can leave behind all the drama that the notorious LS Materia has left players on my old server of Pheonix.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!
...my God, you're a fucking retard. Go back to Phoenix, or better yet, World of Warcraft.
 
Huh? Never played the game WOW before. Anyways I like FFXI and haven't played on your server yet so there's nothing to go back to LOL Anyways I mean no disrespect just wandered if I could get some inside info on good and bad ls on your server is all. I like killing the monsters for hours but I would never ruin the game for anyone and sell the currency, it ruins the game's economy.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!
 
LOL I walked right into that one. No I'm not an rmt or I wouldnt be playing the game now would I? And by playing I dont mean being a drone aimlessly killing for hours anything that'll drop me an item that will yeild to me a higher share of gil at the AH. Anyways I'm from pheonix and I've never played on Quetzalcoatl LOL and yet............. I'm typing on your threads. That's why I assume most of you are on that server. Anyways you all seem like a lively bunch... been here like an hour and already taking hits on my questionable errors on thought and speech. LOL I give you props Romperstomper :) But I really am looking for a new server where I can leave behind all the drama that the notorious LS Materia has left players on my old server of Pheonix.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!

So you have indirectly admitted to using third party programs. Ya we don't want you here.

On another though who has heard of Materia? I know I haven't so it must be only notorious on your server. A shell that promotes third party users isn't a shell. We don't want their ex-members. Usually we are open to people from other servers posting here, but we don't like people who use hacks.

Edit: You could have also easily bought gil and not sold it. That still makes you RMT.
 
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wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaattttttt? Hold on I never said anything of the sort dude you assumed that of your own accord. First of all my old ls was good, nothing wrong with it. Second my characters got deleted because I couldn't afford to pay the fee anymore for online usage. Third I don't know any rmt and neither does my old ls and yes you've never heard of Materia cause like you said you all are on a different server. And to clear up the confusion I just thought your server might be cool to check out. That's all I had no idea you would assume me an rmt. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm not hear to argue offend and then throw arround profanity. Just wanted to collect some info so it's easier to find a group of sane and non-dramatic type LS since I beleived that this would be a good thread to find out on since you gentlemen/ladies are talking about LS's and the ethics behind the one's you like/dislike is all. Not here to pick a fight, get called stupid, or upset anyone now or ever, EVER. So please cut me some slack LOL PLease no more assumptions, I am a player of game and dont ever tell me to play WOW again I like FFXI and will never play another MMO again as long as this one is still funtional and online.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!
 
wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaattttttt? Hold on I never said anything of the sort dude you assumed that of your own accord. First of all my old ls was good, nothing wrong with it. Second my characters got deleted because I couldn't afford to pay the fee anymore for online usage. Third I don't know any rmt and neither does my old ls and yes you've never heard of Materia cause like you said you all are on a different server. And to clear up the confusion I just thought your server might be cool to check out. That's all I had no idea you would assume me an rmt. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm not hear to argue offend and then throw arround profanity. Just wanted to collect some info so it's easier to find a group of sane and non-dramatic type LS since I beleived that this would be a good thread to find out on since you gentlemen/ladies are talking about LS's and the ethics behind the one's you like/dislike is all. Not here to pick a fight, get called stupid, or upset anyone now or ever, EVER. So please cut me some slack LOL PLease no more assumptions, I am a player of game and dont ever tell me to play WOW again I like FFXI and will never play another MMO again as long as this one is still funtional and online. By the way I served under the ls Fearless not Materia the one I spoke of before.

-COME AND I WILL SHOW YOU MY SKILL!
 
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