Fair warning for party leaders...

I find it easiest to do it right when you log in when you're near or already in your mog house.

As much as it may seem like an accomplishment, lacking Elemental Seal when you have a link... lacking Divine Seal after a convert, not very good ideas. You can only powerlevel so much to the point where mobs start hiting the powerlevel for something nasty.

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and that's a Lv65 party.
 
This is gimpiness, but it's a goal of his to do a job to 75 without a SJ.

This as gimpy and unpractical as it is, is really no different than say a whole linkshell that only brings BSTs and SMNs to fight things where claim can be lost, just to say it can be done a different way.

(And done quite well, this isn't a negative shot at the flock, so much as illustrating that if someone wants to do something a certain way, you're not going to stop them...)

Either help him along the way to the goal or tell him to piss off if he asks you to invite him.

He knows it's gimp and he's doing it anyway, so accept it or leave it.
 
If you want a real challenge, level 1-75 without ever getting an exp party. Don't even have to waste anyone else's time but your own.

Some people level BST this way, it's -not- exactly unheard of.
 
Some people level BST this way, it's -not- exactly unheard of.

To add before I get a smartass comment saying you have to xp WHM...

Some just grab hammers and go to town and will solo to 1-37.
 
To add before I get a smartass comment saying you have to xp WHM...

Some just grab hammers and go to town and will solo to 1-37.

Holy triple post batman!




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JP's used to do that all the time when the PS2 version came out. i stumbled across many of them.
 
Narrowminded? Would you accept a PLD without war sub for voke? Subjobs add so much to a characters stats he is seriously short-changing any party that accepts him, the bonus of a 75 whm thrown in just glosses over his own shortcomings.

lol, I knew someone was gonna compare it to another job. Healing and tanking a two very different things. You can't get a power tanker like you can get a power healer.

Gloss over his shortcomings? NO FUCKING SHIT? I already said thats what it was. I just don't see the problem if he can fix his shortcomings.

Thats irrelvant since I have never dual boxed in my life, maybe he can quite well but thats hardly the point here, he is doing two things at once and not giving 100% effort to either job.

Except "both" of his jobs were to heal, he did it perfectly fine. I had no problem with it. So why do you think you can just know he did it badly? This is what I was talking about when I said narrowminded. Just because you think someone can't do something well doesn't mean they can't. Open your mind, give something new a try and see whether it works or not before you badmouth it.

So you took a rdm with no sub, just because he had a 75 whm in tow to help, what a waste. Thats a kick in the teeth to any rdm thats worked on leveling a subjob so they can actually contribute to their party, heck most rdm's I know have leveled whm and blm so they can have more options if they need to main heal in a party. Not so this smuck nope he gets in on easy street cause he has a babysitter.

Kick in the teeth to other rdms? Since when is it my fucking responsibility to provide a party for everyone who has worked on their subjob and whatnot correctly. You talk as if other rdms have a right to the spot in my party. Honestly, its a fucking party spot. It will come again, and again (and again). To try to tell me I'm cheating someone else out of a party spot is just ridiculous. And forgive me for not realizing, but I don't see where the babysitter comes in when he is controlling both the accounts.





This is gimpiness, but it's a goal of his to do a job to 75 without a SJ.

This as gimpy and unpractical as it is, is really no different than say a whole linkshell that only brings BSTs and SMNs to fight things where claim can be lost, just to say it can be done a different way.

(And done quite well, this isn't a negative shot at the flock, so much as illustrating that if someone wants to do something a certain way, you're not going to stop them...)

Either help him along the way to the goal or tell him to piss off if he asks you to invite him.

He knows it's gimp and he's doing it anyway, so accept it or leave it.


What he said. Why does it bother you people so much? If you don't want him in your party, don't invite him. To say he is wasting other people's time is pretty unfair because its the other people who are INVITING him into their party. No one is forcing you to invite the only possible seeking healer into your party. I did because I didn't particularly care as long as he was able to do things properly.

Bottom line is, if you don't like it, don't invite him, shut the fuck up, and go along your merry way getting someone else.


PS. Yeah I know I said I wasn't gonna post again. But I just got home and I can't find anything to do before Limbus ;<
 
Thats a kick in the teeth to any rdm thats worked on leveling a subjob so they can actually contribute to their party, heck most rdm's I know have leveled whm and blm so they can have more options if they need to main heal in a party. Not so this smuck nope he gets in on easy street cause he has a babysitter.

RDMs only need /WHM to reach xp/meripo capabilities and I'd like to know where /BLM is used for main healing.

If he's bringing a WHM75, party isn't missing too much aside Erase, Bar -ra spells, Self Reraise, Curaga and some other piddly spells. He can single-target cast a higher level protect and shell with his RDM anyway, or use the WHM for that.

I've leveled every sub aside DNC and SCH for my RDM and I'm not the least bit offended by this guy.

I think your pompous attitude in regard to the matter is more of a kick in the teeth to most of us who're taking a more peaceful "love it or leave it"-stance.
 
Did I also neglect to mention that those who party with him will also have the "easy street" he's riding on since he's boxing two healing characters which will severely reduce the party's downtime?
 
I seriously dont see Tyrath as an idiot. I'm pretty sure if he had an option he would have chosen the RDM/sub(any) over a RDM/Nosub. So i dont really see how this is a kick into other RDM/Sub teeth. I am pretty sure he chose the RDM/Nosub instead of waiting 4 more hours for a rdm to pop up w/ a sub. The WHM pwrlvler just came as an added bonus for him.
 
This is gimpiness, but it's a goal of his to do a job to 75 without a SJ.

This as gimpy and unpractical as it is, is really no different than say a whole linkshell that only brings BSTs and SMNs to fight things where claim can be lost, just to say it can be done a different way.

(And done quite well, this isn't a negative shot at the flock, so much as illustrating that if someone wants to do something a certain way, you're not going to stop them...)

Either help him along the way to the goal or tell him to piss off if he asks you to invite him.

He knows it's gimp and he's doing it anyway, so accept it or leave it.

In fairness Lec. you'd have to give it to the ls with members of those jobs credit because they as an individual and a whole make a bigger effort by majority in comparison to one person who rides the exp wagon that others invite him and 'give' to him.

Not attacking you, just my perspective
 
This is gimpiness, but it's a goal of his to do a job to 75 without a SJ.

This as gimpy and unpractical as it is, is really no different than say a whole linkshell that only brings BSTs and SMNs to fight things where claim can be lost, just to say it can be done a different way.

(And done quite well, this isn't a negative shot at the flock, so much as illustrating that if someone wants to do something a certain way, you're not going to stop them...)

Either help him along the way to the goal or tell him to piss off if he asks you to invite him.

He knows it's gimp and he's doing it anyway, so accept it or leave it.

I'm sure someone HAS taken a job to level cap with out sub jubs before when people were new and didn't know how or where to get the support job quest. This is nothing new. This is absolutely stupid and this player should be banned for being so stupid. I'll throw a bone out there and say he bought that dual boxed character as well because no one was inviting him for not having a subjob.
 
I seriously dont see Tyrath as an idiot. I'm pretty sure if he had an option he would have chosen the RDM/sub(any) over a RDM/Nosub. So i dont really see how this is a kick into other RDM/Sub teeth. I am pretty sure he chose the RDM/Nosub instead of waiting 4 more hours for a rdm to pop up w/ a sub. The WHM pwrlvler just came as an added bonus for him.

You don't see him as an idiot because you are an idiot. He's an idiot for inviting a gimp just to get a power level at 50+. At 30+ a party should be able to sustain itself with out a power level.
 
If you played in 2004-2005, you probably remember Bono, the JP BLM that leveled 1-75 BLM solo and without a subjob

He had one, yes, as well as other 75's. he took his subjob off and did BLM that way solo.

Nice guy, wonder if he still plays
 
You don't see him as an idiot because you are an idiot. He's an idiot for inviting a gimp just to get a power level at 50+. At 30+ a party should be able to sustain itself with out a power level.

Maybe one day people will learn to atleast know what they are talking about before they blab.

The rdm was the healer. There was no other healer seeking for a long time. With his dual boxed character he was able to heal just fine. Maybe you don't value your time, but I do mine. I dont like sitting around waiting for a healer for an hour.

If you have problems with inviting someone gimped whose making up for his gimpness with a PL, then thats your business. However, I'm not gonna waste my time figuring out whether or not he bought the second account or shit like that. I gave him a shot and he did fine, thats all that matters.
 
Maybe one day people will learn to atleast know what they are talking about before they blab.

The rdm was the healer. There was no other healer seeking for a long time. With his dual boxed character he was able to heal just fine. Maybe you don't value your time, but I do mine. I dont like sitting around waiting for a healer for an hour.

If you have problems with inviting someone gimped whose making up for his gimpness with a PL, then thats your business. However, I'm not gonna waste my time figuring out whether or not he bought the second account or shit like that. I gave him a shot and he did fine, thats all that matters.

I do value my time and make sure I have a full party with competent players that didn't have to solo by taking a second character along the whole way.

Yes you say he did fine because you got a power level out of it. However if he was busy healing on a second character what was his red mage doing while healing on the white mage? Unless he has a second head and a second seat of arms he wasnt doing a thing with that character besides tossing out refresh to someone when refresh went down or buffs. I'm sure a majority of the hastes as well were coming from the white mage instead of him. Sorry I highly doubt this guy did a fine job. Maybe on the white mage he did a fine job but you let someone leech experience just so you could have the white mage healer. Sorry I would rather wait for a healer than wait for a gimp leeching his way by dual boxing leech experience points.
 
You don't see him as an idiot because you are an idiot. He's an idiot for inviting a gimp just to get a power level at 50+. At 30+ a party should be able to sustain itself with out a power level.

You are a total tool. Every post you write is nothing but utter trash, just like you. Maybe you should look around and realize that while surrounding yourself in the garbage you spew, you're alone in a dump.

If someone wanted to level without a SJ, that is their business. If they bring a PL and the PT is not hindered, who cares how or WHAT they are doing?
In a party, there is one thing that matters.
Flow.
If the flow of the party is fine, who gives a shit? You're like the morons who think every job has ONE sub too. I bet you think Brd can only sub nin at merits right? Rather than Rdm(superior sub) or that a Drk should sub war forever, rather than whm up into the 20's?

You sir, fail.

As to the last point? A party at 10 should self-sustain without a PL. What's your point there? Sorry if you feel that someone else's playing which has zero effect on you is a vice-grip on your balls. Get lost.
 
I'm sorry, you people make no sense to me.

How is it leech experience points if HE is the one doing stuff, be it on that character or another. He is still the one doing the work. I don't give a shit what you doubt or don't doubt. As I said that party was one of the few at that level that I had that killed without stopping (this was high 30s).


You people's "moral" issues with this make no sense to me. He put in the work, he did a fine job. I had no complaints with the exp. No problems with me.
 
You don't see him as an idiot because you are an idiot. He's an idiot for inviting a gimp just to get a power level at 50+. At 30+ a party should be able to sustain itself with out a power level.

hey hey hey romper.

Shut the fuck up ^^.
 
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