Again another pot shot dude. My saying that i would rather party with a rdm w/o a sub job versus waiting for 4 hours has no bearing on idiocy. I assure you many people here would rather party up w/ someone that lvls with a gimp sub than waiting for 5 hours for another mage w/ refresh to show up. If the person refreshed ample and he did his job w/o a sub, then kudos to him. I guarantee that if this person continues this way he will not get into any sort of higher end game shell, which is his own wishes.
Honestly romper by saying that I am an idiot for saying "I dont see what Tyrath said as wrong" Then you kinda are calling alot of others on this site idiots :\. Including Lec who kinda defended you on a consistent basis.
This guy HAS no sub job. An under leveled sub job still gives an MP boost and stat boost over no sub job. So having a gimped subjob versus no subjob is STILL better as you still gain some benefits for just having a subjob. God damn there is difference between a gimp sub and no sub. Which this player has NO sub job. You still have absolutely no idea how to read do you?
I would much rather wait for someone that isn't lazy needing a second character to do the role that someone with a subjob can do. I've said it once this guy's attention shifts from one character to another which means his Red Mage is lacking somewhere in performance. As having no power level means the party isn't relying on a safety net and your tank is well actually tanking making sure that they can do the job, damage dealers, and healers know their god damn roles. Fuck power leveling encourages bad player skill because you end up with healers that don't know how to heal, tanks that don't know how to tank, and damage dealers that don't know how to hold back so that no one dies.
Now to get back on the subject of subjobs being useful EVEN when gimped (under leveled). With an under leveled subjob still gives a small bump to your stats. Having more intellect for things like fire, blizzard, aero, stone, drain, aspir, blind, sleep, water, and well I hope you get the point makes your spells more potent. Where as with mind you gain a slight boost in how much your cures can cure for and the odds of your paralyze, dia, and slow spells stick. Not to forget lolholy and banish will deal more damage. Not much more damage, but more damage none the less. Not to forget with a lot of the subs you even gain a boost to your mana which either translates to more heals or nukes and the longer you can go with out resting. I'm not sure how scholar works but from my understanding some of the abilities in the grimoires could be quite useful in situational circumstances. Hell /scholar gives Regen II which I'm sure pleases some RDMs when on healing duties in a meripo.
So lets look at what this guy is missing from even a gimp subjob. He's missing a minor stat increase and a boost to mana. Not to forget with /blm the Red mage is missing out on
aspir and drain. Later on with /whm you miss out on erase, -na spells, AND re-raise if you're too cheap to buy one of the items. So this not having a subjob automatically takes away from his performance and the spells he should have. So his performance wasn't fine it was sub-par because he's missing stats and abilities from a subjob. So to compensate he had a second character which means that somewhere either on the healer or his red mage his performance was lacking which still puts him sub-par, and still a leeching gimp because he isn't at full potential. I bet you a red mage at full potential would have done the job just the same as the red mage and white mage combined if it were a ninja tank while only being slightly behind with a paladin tank. Of course that is on the assumption that the red mage is good.
I'm on no moral high horse I'm on a high horse of you're an idiot, Tyrath, for letting a leech into your party.
And I will more than happily agree with Divine Seal on a /WHM sub. (It's kickass for vert~!)
