that does make sense lanien, about rinoa = ultimecia. I never thought about it that way. . .
Finally someone with the same viewpoint as me. Sephiroth is a mama's boy who fails to destroy the world.
And I still believe that in FFVIII, the final boss wasn't someone they threw in last minute. My theory that Tyrath might still remember from a long time ago is that Ultimecia is Rinoa. It fits in so many ways, with her summoning Griever, the symbol on Squall's ring. Also, I believe the compression of time is just to see Squall again. That along with other things Ultimecia says just makes me believe she is Sorceress Rinoa from the future.
FFVIII is one of my favorite FF games, all except for the whole "GF stole my brain" shit. That was a bit lame...
Don't be surprised if Halifirien asks you to marry him. I don't pay much attention to FF outside of the handheld Nintendo titles (working on FFVI Advance at the moment), but I've heard speeches like this from him more than once.
Don't be surprised if Halifirien asks you to marry him. I don't pay much attention to FF outside of the handheld Nintendo titles (working on FFVI Advance at the moment), but I've heard speeches like this from him more than once.
The same reason people find Sephiroth an awesome villian. Sorry fanboys, he sucked. Seriously, what kind of motivation is "Waaah, I don't like what people made me" for hijacking the planet after destroying it and using it as a cosmic taxi. Never the less what kind of retarded plan that was.
And if you think the orphanage device was awful, surely you agree that the same basic device used in FF7 was awful as well. YOU MEANS I WASNT AN AWESOME SOLDIER AND IT WAS ZACK WHO WAS DATING AERIS WHO I LIKE AND MY HOME TOWN WASN'T BURNED DOWN AND I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN EPIC SHOW DOWN AGAINST SEPHIROTH CAUSE HE RAN MY GAY ASS THROUGH BUT I GOT LUCKY AND PUSHED HIM OVER A LEDGE IN TO MAKO AND TIFA DOESN'T REMEMBER THE WAY IT HAPPENED TOO?!
Any plot device regarding memory alteration/loss as an epic character development point is pretty shitty.
Seriously though, He wasn't an asshole. He just didn't want to get involved with other people and their problems. What made Squall a great character for me was that deep down, he was just very insecure. You don't often see a real life weakness in video game main characters. The story line (i'm thinking the love angle and not the retarded sorceress one) for me was how he overcame his weakness with the help of someone he loved.
If you didn't, thats cool. Just quit trying to force your opinions on others. That goes to you as well Skaw =P
And I still believe that in FFVIII, the final boss wasn't someone they threw in last minute. My theory that Tyrath might still remember from a long time ago is that Ultimecia is Rinoa. It fits in so many ways, with her summoning Griever, the symbol on Squall's ring. Also, I believe the compression of time is just to see Squall again. That along with other things Ultimecia says just makes me believe she is Sorceress Rinoa from the future.
The game itself is 1 of my least favorite FF's yes, but Ultimecia just didn't come out of nowhere, and neither did Zemus(he used Golbez in FFIV for most of the game), and I love the junctioning system.
Sephiroth was hardcore. Yeah his motivation was pretty gay but as a character he was vicious and it showed, he slaughtered quite a lot of people just to get what he wanted.
That said though, Kefka and especially Exdeath are both way more awesome than Sephiroth in every way.
Exdeath and Kefka do both kick ass, definitely 2 of my favorite villians in FF history.
Just like Zemus, she was a complete unknown until near the end of the game when suddenly she's the main target. I do understand that they were technically an integral part of each of their games' plots from start to finish, but compare both to say Exdeath and Kefka whose influence is felt directly starting from right around 1/3 of the way into their games. I didn't really like Kuja that much but he was an ever-present mastermind behind everything too (we'll just ignore Necron for now...) and Sephiroth was identified within the first five hours of FFVII.
... he looked like the biggest jerkass next to Seifer. At least Seifer was a well-developed character who met a fairly tragic end.
When and where? lol
He came off as an asshole and that's what I'm gonna go by. I did read all his introspective dialogue just like you did, and I do understand his motivation, but like Sephiroth it just falls flat when you realize that to everyone else, he looked like the biggest jerkass next to Seifer. At least Seifer was a well-developed character who met a fairly tragic end.
And I might've liked the love story angle more if I didn't rather well hate Rinoa too, she was so incredibly bland.
I'm not forcing shit. This thread is about FFVIII sucking so I'm adding my own thoughts and that's where this thread is going. The people with the weaker backing are usually the ones who complain about "forced opinions" anyway. There is far more evidence that FFVIII was utter shit than it was a masterpiece. Square did a lot, and I do mean a LOT of things wrong with that game and very few things right.
Off topic: I don't know about you but in FFX my Aeons were one-shotting my people in the final battle. At the very least Shiva onward was instant death for someone/everyone each turn. At least all those 9's looked pretty.
The aeons were too powerful for a casual gamer's party. but they were too weak for anyone who strengthened their characters a lot.
Squall, cool? He was an asshole. His de facto response to just about everything thrown at him throughout the entire course of the game was "...whatever." He was completely cold to everything around him almost the entire course of the game.
Not only that, the fact that fighting Omega did little beyond deplete magic you would have used on the final boss was annoying as well.
I never needed to bother using magic, FFVIII was one of the easiest games I've ever played. I never had any trouble with any monsters or bosses, even the final boss didn't take very long. It's not that I was level whoring, the junction system was just really really easy.
I did not completely hate the Junction system; it was the fact that leveling was pointless (since monsters leveled up with you) and you HAD to resort to the system is what truly pissed me off. Not knowing the final boss was an irritation. Not only that, the fact that fighting Omega did little beyond deplete magic you would have used on the final boss was annoying as well.
Off topic: I don't know about you but in FFX my Aeons were one-shotting my people in the final battle. At the very least Shiva onward was instant death for someone/everyone each turn. At least all those 9's looked pretty.
Also anyone else notice how much of a cockblock Squall is to himself? IE: in the Ragnorok while in space, Rinoa is all like "I wanna ride you Squall" and he's like "I think you should go back to your seat."
Yeah, Squall was a bit of a fag in that sense.. Rinoa was all over his balls that entire game and she's pretty fuckin hot, and he kept tellin her to fuck off. I mean we know you don't love the bitch Squall but the least you could do is screw her.