Fleist

[Isollde]

To clarify my Jyak comment:

I think you are a very helpful and decent guy, INGAME. On the boards you are a completely different Monster. If you showed half of what you do ingame, I don't believe you would get half of the shit that you do.

 

[FleistLoC]

In our case, there was no public schedule posted in any manner to other leaders, and the shell didn't give a shit.

Your words, not mine. I never said I didn't give a shit, nor did I imply that Dani was in the wrong or that Dreams was in the right. What I said, and what was meant by what I said, was that the over-run into the Absolute time slot was unintentional. I'm not sure why you can't understand that, even though as I've explained, and most who have posted on this thread have agreed, is not a big deal and happens on a regular basis with most Dynamis shells.

I again say Tant was the best leader Dreams had that night and he even admitted the situation was wrong.

Tanth was the only person that Dani communicated with ingame, so I suppose by process of elimination, you are correct. But I don't think that Cherron was any worse a leader than Tanth merely because no questions or accusations were directed to him. It doesn't necessarily make me a bad leader because I communicated via AIM that all questions to go to Cherron and Tanth because I was busy entertaining my family.

So, in your obscure magical world, Tanth was the best leader that night because he apologized? Ach, FYI Tanth's apology was made before this flame occurred with the intent to diplomatically force a resolution at the time of conflict via an apology, as good leaders should do. As soon as the flame directed at me and others in his/my shell was posted, he felt quite different from apologetic and more angered. Try talking to him now, I dare you! Do you really think that complimenting him at the expense of slandering other Dreams leaders will make him respect you, even though you lead the campaign to boot him from Absolute because of his association with me?

You need help. Please get help.

We simply are pressing for people to understand that a little communication solves 99% of the issues.

As shown above, in order to communicate, you have to learn how to listen/read first, and then respond based on what you listen/read. You’re only proving how much of an idiot you are. I still don’t know why anyone would follow your lead for anything.

I am very impressed that Fleist learned the words "I'm sorry".QUOTE]

I'm sorry you're an idiot. I’m sorry Dani remained in your shell. I’m sorry for all the members you’ve lead previously and those who continue to be lead by you.

By the way, 1pt + 1pt = 2pts, not 11pts. Hope you finally learned some math since I've gone.

 

[Raesylil]

If you can accept that zone changes can happen, then you should have no problem in accepting that dynamis runs can go over the expected end time.

Belittling leaders of other shells is not going to help in resolving anything.
Saying that he finally learned the words "I'm sorry" is not necessary as it just adds more fuel to the fire. Learn some tact.

A Dreams leader apologized for the inconvenience but you are also forgetting that he said he doesn't really check qcdn on a regular basis, at least from what I gathered. He also said he'll try not to let this happen again and yet your linkshell mate Dani decides to flame.

Nice slap in the face.

 

[Xalioniaf]

Seriously half of them hate you and want you gone.

I love it.

 

[Achates]

Do you really think that complimenting him at the expense of slandering other Dreams leaders will make him respect you, even though you lead the campaign to boot him from Absolute because of his association with me?

There was no campaign. But you posted "My people are not coming back until you change the rules the way we want." Leadership didn't change to what you wanted, so we removed you as you said you were not coming back. You removed Tant, as he was part of your group which you so elliquently spoke for. Not me.

By the way, 1pt + 1pt = 2pts, not 11pts. Hope you finally learned some math since I've gone.

Since you continually throw this in my face, learn to audit. You used your own rules to add up your own points to make the points show what you wanted. Three leaders told you that you're audit was false and that you ignored attendence rules, recruitment rules, multiple character rules, and added your own rule on half points. You yourself admitted to the public that you did this. You admitted to the shell that your "audit" wasn't right before you even finished it.

I am glad that leadership didn't reset points like you asked.

I didn't post the flame. I backed up what my shellmate said. If you want to call that my attack then so be it. I'm tired of you distorting shit so that you look like the king of the apes. Take your group and good luck. Not one of us misses you all.

We are glad you decided to leave. It was best for all of us. I dont claim to be the best leader. But I do care about my shellmates. They decided you were in the wrong and said so. I guess you can't accept that some people take loyalty over the bullshit you manipulate.

Dani posted this because of your attitude. I'm sorry that all you can turn it into is an attack on me. If that's what you want, go for it. I really could give two shits about what you and your shell do.

Good luck getting your AF with your elite team of Northlands runs.

To Cherron: I appologize if I made it seem like you were less of a leader. You played no role in this and Fleist drug you into the conversation. For that I am sorry. You were always more rational than he and provided solid debate and views. I can only assume you took that to the leadership level. It was never my intent to imply otherwise and I am sorry.

 

[motley]

Im not wading through this 10 page long shit-storm of a thread so ill put what i gathered in the first 2 pages into conversation.... I apoligze if i repeat anything that was said, but assuming that it needs to be repeated since this argument is still going on ill try to stick to logic.

First... Aren't most city runs (jueno i know for sure) 3:15 with all extentions??? so if you have a start time of 5:00 , assuming you start on time means that you wont be done until 8:15, overlapping your previous shell. (and we know dynamis never starts on time). So I would say if you want unrestricted access to the zone make your gather time 4:15 or 4:30 and make sure your in by 5. (I really dont think a 8PM shell will be ready on time) so they dont ahve to wait till 8:15

Second.... Before Dreams there were only 5 shells competeing for time slots on tuesday and saturday not only that but with some very early start times for some other shells, both sandy and windy AND beaucedine were left completely unoccupied on the day in question.... So why go to jeuno? Have a bunch of members that need the win in jueno? i think it can wait a week....

This server is WAY OVERPOPULATED in dynamis.... actually no... way overpopulated with underpopulated shells, you had to know that in some way your actions would suffer someone else reprocussions. I know people cringe at the thought of starting with 0 points, and some shells have very flexible point systems to accomodate that distaste, but making another shell will probably get you less AF over time... but hey, if you only need 1 or 2 pieces then you can get them quick and get out. good luck to you.

I would recommend to QCDN and all parties involved to put a cap of 6 shells on the same day with the same time slot... If 2 shells hadn't crumbled in the last couple of months this would be our 8th saturday shell and we would be talking about 100-150 people being inconvenienced instead of only 25. By the way, to those who feel like it wasnt a big deal or "these thigns happen", 40 minutes x 20 people = 10 hours of collective time was wasted, I would be pissed too, especially when theres a system in place to prevent these things....

Finally to the argument of slacking on the part of the admins... still does not override the fact that 2 zones went unused that day, and this hwole thing can be prevented....

P.S. STOP MAKING NEW SHELLS!!!!!

 

[Audino]

Stuff about dynamis shells.

Motley for president.

 

[Raesvelg]

Everything Mot just said, because I really can't say it much more clearly.

The schedules are posted here so that we can all try to get along without stepping on each other's toes too much. If you lack access or your zone gets taken... it takes all of 90 seconds to get online, check the board, and figure out which zone is most likely going to be empty. Treading on someone else's time because you think you're going to get out on schedule is still quite rude.

 

[Silenus]

I saw Fleist at the AH in Whitegate.

True story.

 

[Dor]

This topic was over the same night it began and is getting too much attention and feedback for what it really is. We decided to do take it upon ourselves to run our own dynamis shell and, honestly, that's our business; we can do that.

All of the occurances that have happened with us and absolute is just what it is; history. The incessant posting of why who left and when is redundant and plays no active role in this situation what-so-ever. The majority of those people have moved on.

I am certain that if we were aware that the other LS were to be offended to the exteme that there was to be a flame posted that, not only complained about our LS going over time, but also to personally offend the maker of the LS, we would have promptly acted. The main reason we did not was based on the fact that the schedule was put in to be posted and the majority of us really are not savy to know the grace period of QCDN if there is one. We also did not feel that there was this much anemosity looming between us and the other LS so much that approximately a thirty minute descrepancy in time would bring about such a dramatic example of hatred towards us. It really was an honest-to-God mistake and it was not intentional. The verbatum exchanged between Tanthalas and Dani at the time reads fairly amicable, with the exception of Dani using QCDN as a bible, demanding that she was correct and we are all wrong and we must commit to her wishes or else. . . when she did not get the result that she wanted.

I have heard nothing but positive things about Dani since before and after this flame. But being that I truely never have engaged in a conversation with her personally, this is honestly my first in depth impression of how she reacts. To read these posts and be told that an LS that I really had no problem with directly is so hateful of the lot of us with the exception of Tanthalas and Cherron is honestly upseting and I really don't think such an extent should have even been portrayed being that the majority of us just did our jobs while we were there and seemed to get along with a lot of you.

Fleist honestly does not think he is the best of the best in anything. If he had previous problems or ambiguities with some of what was going on in the other shell that truely is his perogative. Being that we are truely loyal towards the owner of our shell is not something that I find to be unadmirable at all and of course there are reasons for that. If something does not make sense it is because one does not know the whole story. It is unfortunate the outcome of our time in the other shell resulted how it did but it cannot be helped. What is done is done

To initial personal attacks against someones intellect is asking for a retort. It was stated that all that being requested as a result of this thread was an apology and it seems it was received that night, and then again forcibly later in this thread. After recieving it there was a remark stated that was not necessary to start a "fire" between two people and the latter retorted with another snide remark and there is yet another one in the last post by the individual. This is bringing this far from the point of this thread and into different territory.

The majority of the people who have posted in this thread have made it clear that it was indeed a misunderstanding. Being that QCDN is not sponsered by SE and the schedule here is only out of consideracy of members of the server there is no rule that one has to post and that one should not go on to perform a run because of some sort of inadequacy of a schedule to be posted. I personally don not think my life should be orchestrated because of such mishaps nor do I blame any one for what happened. Unfortunate things happen, I am sure everyone understands that. For the most part, I would assume we are all mature enough to see that, even if Fleist was as malicious as some people believe, do you honestly believe the others would go through with such a plan as to ruin our reputations? Most likely not. I didn't know, Fleist didn't know, Tanthalas didn't know, Cherron didn't know.

I, like Achates, have no concern as to what the members of absolute think. There was FFXI and dynamis before they were here and there will always be FFXI and dynamis when they leave. This topic was a misunderstanding from the beginning and that's all it is. Trying to keep it alive is like trying to squeeze blood out of a rock. The only thing that is left to do is to change this whole situation into something totally different and if personal attacks on integrity and intelligence keep being brought up that's exactly what's going to happen.

 

[Achates]

Im not wading through this 10 page long shit-storm of a thread so ill put what i gathered in the first 2 pages into conversation.... I apoligze if i repeat anything that was said, but assuming that it needs to be repeated since this argument is still going on ill try to stick to logic.

First... Aren't most city runs (jueno i know for sure) 3:15 with all extentions??? so if you have a start time of 5:00 , assuming you start on time means that you wont be done until 8:15, overlapping your previous shell. (and we know dynamis never starts on time). So I would say if you want unrestricted access to the zone make your gather time 4:15 or 4:30 and make sure your in by 5. (I really dont think a 8PM shell will be ready on time) so they dont ahve to wait till 8:15

Second.... Before Dreams there were only 5 shells competeing for time slots on tuesday and saturday not only that but with some very early start times for some other shells, both sandy and windy AND beaucedine were left completely unoccupied on the day in question.... So why go to jeuno? Have a bunch of members that need the win in jueno? i think it can wait a week....

This server is WAY OVERPOPULATED in dynamis.... actually no... way overpopulated with underpopulated shells, you had to know that in some way your actions would suffer someone else reprocussions. I know people cringe at the thought of starting with 0 points, and some shells have very flexible point systems to accomodate that distaste, but making another shell will probably get you less AF over time... but hey, if you only need 1 or 2 pieces then you can get them quick and get out. good luck to you.

I would recommend to QCDN and all parties involved to put a cap of 6 shells on the same day with the same time slot... If 2 shells hadn't crumbled in the last couple of months this would be our 8th saturday shell and we would be talking about 100-150 people being inconvenienced instead of only 25. By the way, to those who feel like it wasnt a big deal or "these thigns happen", 40 minutes x 20 people = 10 hours of collective time was wasted, I would be pissed too, especially when theres a system in place to prevent these things....

Finally to the argument of slacking on the part of the admins... still does not override the fact that 2 zones went unused that day, and this hwole thing can be prevented....

P.S. STOP MAKING NEW SHELLS!!!!!

Can't argue with this. LOL. Motley strikes again.

But for the record since you didn't read the 10 pages... only 1 zone went unused. Absolute changed to Sandy due to the overlap at the last minute.

Dynamis shells are what sky shells used to be. Everyone is done in sky I guess.... lol How many sea shells we got now? I'm betting they all go in waves.