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Well it’s come down to recently having to leave certain linkshells because of these so called friends never being there for me, but always there for themselves. I’ve never asked for a lot really; I asked for help doing KS30, WS NM fights, and maybe to join in an exp party for some merits. It always ends the same. I get some hollow promise that never pans out. I’ve been promised static parties from countless people, help with BCNM and KS fights, and help camping NMs that I really shouldn’t be soloing, but this help never ever comes. I’m not acting greedy, I’m not acting selfish, I know these people and I’ve offered them my aid many times in the past and I will again in the future, or at least I would have if I still considered many of them friends anymore.
Affinity, where do I start? Well apparently my posts have been deleted from the LS so I will have to make a summation as it was kind of long and I could never hope to remember word for word what was said. The text was basically a list of grievances against the shell for which NEEDED to be resolved in order for the shell to function. None of these problems were ever resolved and the main cause of them, the leadership and lack thereof, still persist when they should just let the shell die. They do not have the time, the effort nor the will to make the shell work and I intend for this post to serve two purposes; the first to warn any future potential members from wasting their time and the second is mainly of a personal vindictive nature and you’ll have to excuse me, but the terms at which I left the shell were less than cordial.
Recently members have been expressing concern about the shell. Many including myself have made several posts in which asking for the leaders to make some effort in correcting these problems. My problems with the LS had always been very simple. The shell needed leadership (by that I mean REAL leadership), direction and organization. My first grievance had been the lack of communication throughout the LS which extends from the simple “Hello” as you enter the LS to communicating LS direction. People did not talk and often the shell became a cold, cold place to be which is often why I spent a majority of my time in a social LS. It didn’t just end at a simple greeting either. When I had asked what was happening or what was going on for the day I was ignored. How can I be of any help to the LS if no one, not even the LS leaders can express to me that help? I asked to join KS30 runs and was always ignored. I asked to join in camping HNMs, but I was ignored. I wasn’t alone in this problem; many others had expressed the same problems and it was a constant problem. The LS was becoming exclusive and if you didn’t fit in perfectly, you didn’t belong. The LS became very cliquey and if you weren’t part, you didn’t go to the event.
My second grievance was directed at the leaders. Their leadership fluctuated greatly. There were days when things would get done and then there were days where the leaders ignored, disappeared or refused to do anything. They might suggest something to do, but that’s not leadership, any idiot with a pulse can do that. I don’t mean to imply I desire the LS leaders’ undivided attention at all times, but if you cannot be bothered to lead a LS, then don’t consider yourself a leader. Don’t abuse your powers of leadership and expect me to comply when you cannot be bothered to do anything and I mean anything when it is expected of you.
Affinity was a gods and HNM LS and yet we did gods infrequently. There were weeks and even a period of MONTHS where we didn’t so a single god or even farm. I don’t think the LS has camped or killed a HNM in months either. For a long period it became social LS albeit very exclusive LS with some missions being done for Sea access, but even those were mostly organized outside LS or you were expected to get it done yourself with no actual LS guidance save your own.
Now these are the grievances I posted to the LS in our forums. I posted them with no ill will towards anyone. I made no direct attacks at anyone’s shortcomings or lack of leadership directly. I made small simple fixes to the problems I saw directly and affected me. I didn’t say how to fix the lack of responses when people entered the LS, but I figured the answer was obvious. I didn’t mention how to fix the lack HNM camps because the only solution was become active again. I did suggest how to alleviate the problem of organization. I suggested making a table of all pop items for sky and who was in possession, make a list of which gods we intend to pop and make it available to everyone so we can farm without any real leaders available. It can be done by anyone and this alleviates the burden of leadership on the current leaders when they aren’t forced to be more active than everyone else. I am also sure there were a lot more problems with the LS, but I wasn’t going to press any further without at the very least correcting the most pressing ones I saw.
Well to me this wasn’t a huge thing. Not even worth getting fussed over. Some other members posted more about it, but, like I said, I cannot post their responses as they have already been deleted and I cannot even remember what was said, but suffice it to say, they were no more harsher than I was. Everyone who posted wanted things to improve and the only way to do this was to face the problems. Or at least one would think so…
This is the response we gained, posted and stickied at the very top of the board for everyone to see. Translation: We fix problems by kicking those who would suggest there is a problem and ignore the problems because they do not exist. I and many members like me have been with the shell for over a year since it was created. We have all been through everything together, but when it came down to it, there were problems with the shell and nothing was getting done. We rarely did sky, we never did HNMs and when we did, only a select few were invited from the LS. Those who weren’t being invited to the select group were getting upset and this is where the tension was forming. And this is where my warning comes in; don’t join Affinity. You are greatly wasting your time if you intend to join. I spent a year with that shell and it took many members that long to get the gear they were initially promised. Not because the drop rates were low, not because there were a lot of members, but because the leadership did nothing to get those people the gear they desverved. Might I add, that its highly suspect that the leaders got their shit in sky BEFORE things started to slow down and people started farming less. Just a coincidence I thought I should mention. For those planning on joining Affinity, I give you this warning, take it as you will. Join Affinity and maybe a year from now you’ll get some god gear. Or you can try the effective method which seems to work for some; kiss their asses so much you won’t know where your face begins and their ass ends. Or if you want to save yourself the time and aggravation, don’t join. It’s as simple as that.
I’m sure most of the people in the linkshells I’ve left are thinking I am a greedy asshole. No, in fact I am positive they are thinking that. I never left because of the final events, they were just the final straw. I left because I was no longer happy and hadn’t been happy for some time, but I guess that’s something only real friends would notice. I can assure them that every thing I ever received or any of the few times I got help, I worked hard to get it, I deserved it regardless of what they want to believe. Whatever, I’m done with those people. If they don’t have the kindness to treat me like a friend, then I don’t have the time to even care.
I’ve been playing this game a very long time, almost since the NA release date and I’ve made quite a bit of good friends and quite a bit of bad ones. It always seems that the good ones leave and the bad ones stick around, or at least it does to me. I’ve always had a problem of meeting the good people in this game it seems. I make a friend and they like to take advantage of my kindness. I never ask anything in return for my help, I try not to disturb friends when I need help, I make my best effort to solo things if at all possible even if it’s very probable I can’t, but even still I need help sometimes. I’ve soloed countless AF, NM, and whatever you would normally try to get help for, but can never seem to get any when you need it. I think the most recent time I could have used help was the WAR AF in Palborough mines where I ended up soloing a PLD type mob. Lasted about 20 minutes mainly because at the very end, he kept using Cure III which cured about as much as I could damage him. I got lucky in the end when I weapon skilled just before the NM was able to get his Cure III off otherwise I would have been there another 20 minutes if not possibly dead. I failed in my first attempt and yet no one came to help. I ended up trying a second time because no one could or would give me a moment of their time. As for the rest of my AF, I find it sad when a Japanese player I’ve never met or helped is kind enough to help me get a coffer, but my own LS couldn’t even be bothered to do it.
Someone forms a KS30 fight and forgets I even asked to come. I even ask during the KS fight if I can come, I get ignored. I asked for months to get help doing the WS NM fight (mind you, only one person even bothered to help me unlock the latent effect on trial weapon) and finally when they get around to helping me, it’s because they need to do a WS NM fight too. NM? Forget it. I can almost assuredly get no help with these when I have no idea when the next pop is and especially when there is no money involved. I could be camping mysticmaker or charbrydis, but I don’t think anyone would spend the time helping me because they do not see any benefit to themselves. I’ve given up asking for help on NM unless it’s standing in front of me unclaimed and even then, I know some of them will be gone long before anyone comes to help me kill it.
I’ve asked many times to join in exp parties with my many LS because I know the members get good exp and I know they are good players. I’ve been offered to join many times, but it seems every time they do, they say we’ll go tomorrow. When tomorrow comes, they seemingly forget they even offered and invite someone else. I even recently made a point to ask if I could join a merit party of some friends who were or almost were 75 to get exp, they said I could join after we did dynamis the next day. The next day during dynamis, instead of remembering the promise to let me join, they asked another person of the same job and level in front of my face if she wanted to exp with them after. She said no, which in turn they asked the entire linkshell if anyone else wanted to join completely forgetting about me. I am a person who holds my promises as important and dear to me with the intention of keeping any promise I have ever made, but forgetting or neglecting a promises is just rude. But I can forgive them, maybe they just forgot about me and promising me the previous day, but this wasn’t the first time. This is the third or fourth time and it seems to always happen like this regardless of the situation. A friend should know when a friend needs help and be willing to come regardless and yet none of them ever do. They pass off my requests as if I had never even asked even when I come to help them whether they even asked for me or not. I offer my services to them as a friend, but I don’t ever recall receiving the same treatment.
I really don’t know why I post this. Maybe its closure or some piece of mind but it really doesn’t make me feeling all better to say it out loud than I would have thought, so I can’t be certain why I do it. I just know I hate those “friends”, I hate you so very much. Thanks for never getting me level 75 and the many disbanded static parties. Thanks for all those broken promises. But most of all thanks for being true friends.
Affinity, where do I start? Well apparently my posts have been deleted from the LS so I will have to make a summation as it was kind of long and I could never hope to remember word for word what was said. The text was basically a list of grievances against the shell for which NEEDED to be resolved in order for the shell to function. None of these problems were ever resolved and the main cause of them, the leadership and lack thereof, still persist when they should just let the shell die. They do not have the time, the effort nor the will to make the shell work and I intend for this post to serve two purposes; the first to warn any future potential members from wasting their time and the second is mainly of a personal vindictive nature and you’ll have to excuse me, but the terms at which I left the shell were less than cordial.
Recently members have been expressing concern about the shell. Many including myself have made several posts in which asking for the leaders to make some effort in correcting these problems. My problems with the LS had always been very simple. The shell needed leadership (by that I mean REAL leadership), direction and organization. My first grievance had been the lack of communication throughout the LS which extends from the simple “Hello” as you enter the LS to communicating LS direction. People did not talk and often the shell became a cold, cold place to be which is often why I spent a majority of my time in a social LS. It didn’t just end at a simple greeting either. When I had asked what was happening or what was going on for the day I was ignored. How can I be of any help to the LS if no one, not even the LS leaders can express to me that help? I asked to join KS30 runs and was always ignored. I asked to join in camping HNMs, but I was ignored. I wasn’t alone in this problem; many others had expressed the same problems and it was a constant problem. The LS was becoming exclusive and if you didn’t fit in perfectly, you didn’t belong. The LS became very cliquey and if you weren’t part, you didn’t go to the event.
My second grievance was directed at the leaders. Their leadership fluctuated greatly. There were days when things would get done and then there were days where the leaders ignored, disappeared or refused to do anything. They might suggest something to do, but that’s not leadership, any idiot with a pulse can do that. I don’t mean to imply I desire the LS leaders’ undivided attention at all times, but if you cannot be bothered to lead a LS, then don’t consider yourself a leader. Don’t abuse your powers of leadership and expect me to comply when you cannot be bothered to do anything and I mean anything when it is expected of you.
Affinity was a gods and HNM LS and yet we did gods infrequently. There were weeks and even a period of MONTHS where we didn’t so a single god or even farm. I don’t think the LS has camped or killed a HNM in months either. For a long period it became social LS albeit very exclusive LS with some missions being done for Sea access, but even those were mostly organized outside LS or you were expected to get it done yourself with no actual LS guidance save your own.
Now these are the grievances I posted to the LS in our forums. I posted them with no ill will towards anyone. I made no direct attacks at anyone’s shortcomings or lack of leadership directly. I made small simple fixes to the problems I saw directly and affected me. I didn’t say how to fix the lack of responses when people entered the LS, but I figured the answer was obvious. I didn’t mention how to fix the lack HNM camps because the only solution was become active again. I did suggest how to alleviate the problem of organization. I suggested making a table of all pop items for sky and who was in possession, make a list of which gods we intend to pop and make it available to everyone so we can farm without any real leaders available. It can be done by anyone and this alleviates the burden of leadership on the current leaders when they aren’t forced to be more active than everyone else. I am also sure there were a lot more problems with the LS, but I wasn’t going to press any further without at the very least correcting the most pressing ones I saw.
Well to me this wasn’t a huge thing. Not even worth getting fussed over. Some other members posted more about it, but, like I said, I cannot post their responses as they have already been deleted and I cannot even remember what was said, but suffice it to say, they were no more harsher than I was. Everyone who posted wanted things to improve and the only way to do this was to face the problems. Or at least one would think so…
Olsmugla said:
This is the response we gained, posted and stickied at the very top of the board for everyone to see. Translation: We fix problems by kicking those who would suggest there is a problem and ignore the problems because they do not exist. I and many members like me have been with the shell for over a year since it was created. We have all been through everything together, but when it came down to it, there were problems with the shell and nothing was getting done. We rarely did sky, we never did HNMs and when we did, only a select few were invited from the LS. Those who weren’t being invited to the select group were getting upset and this is where the tension was forming. And this is where my warning comes in; don’t join Affinity. You are greatly wasting your time if you intend to join. I spent a year with that shell and it took many members that long to get the gear they were initially promised. Not because the drop rates were low, not because there were a lot of members, but because the leadership did nothing to get those people the gear they desverved. Might I add, that its highly suspect that the leaders got their shit in sky BEFORE things started to slow down and people started farming less. Just a coincidence I thought I should mention. For those planning on joining Affinity, I give you this warning, take it as you will. Join Affinity and maybe a year from now you’ll get some god gear. Or you can try the effective method which seems to work for some; kiss their asses so much you won’t know where your face begins and their ass ends. Or if you want to save yourself the time and aggravation, don’t join. It’s as simple as that.
I’m sure most of the people in the linkshells I’ve left are thinking I am a greedy asshole. No, in fact I am positive they are thinking that. I never left because of the final events, they were just the final straw. I left because I was no longer happy and hadn’t been happy for some time, but I guess that’s something only real friends would notice. I can assure them that every thing I ever received or any of the few times I got help, I worked hard to get it, I deserved it regardless of what they want to believe. Whatever, I’m done with those people. If they don’t have the kindness to treat me like a friend, then I don’t have the time to even care.
I’ve been playing this game a very long time, almost since the NA release date and I’ve made quite a bit of good friends and quite a bit of bad ones. It always seems that the good ones leave and the bad ones stick around, or at least it does to me. I’ve always had a problem of meeting the good people in this game it seems. I make a friend and they like to take advantage of my kindness. I never ask anything in return for my help, I try not to disturb friends when I need help, I make my best effort to solo things if at all possible even if it’s very probable I can’t, but even still I need help sometimes. I’ve soloed countless AF, NM, and whatever you would normally try to get help for, but can never seem to get any when you need it. I think the most recent time I could have used help was the WAR AF in Palborough mines where I ended up soloing a PLD type mob. Lasted about 20 minutes mainly because at the very end, he kept using Cure III which cured about as much as I could damage him. I got lucky in the end when I weapon skilled just before the NM was able to get his Cure III off otherwise I would have been there another 20 minutes if not possibly dead. I failed in my first attempt and yet no one came to help. I ended up trying a second time because no one could or would give me a moment of their time. As for the rest of my AF, I find it sad when a Japanese player I’ve never met or helped is kind enough to help me get a coffer, but my own LS couldn’t even be bothered to do it.
Someone forms a KS30 fight and forgets I even asked to come. I even ask during the KS fight if I can come, I get ignored. I asked for months to get help doing the WS NM fight (mind you, only one person even bothered to help me unlock the latent effect on trial weapon) and finally when they get around to helping me, it’s because they need to do a WS NM fight too. NM? Forget it. I can almost assuredly get no help with these when I have no idea when the next pop is and especially when there is no money involved. I could be camping mysticmaker or charbrydis, but I don’t think anyone would spend the time helping me because they do not see any benefit to themselves. I’ve given up asking for help on NM unless it’s standing in front of me unclaimed and even then, I know some of them will be gone long before anyone comes to help me kill it.
I’ve asked many times to join in exp parties with my many LS because I know the members get good exp and I know they are good players. I’ve been offered to join many times, but it seems every time they do, they say we’ll go tomorrow. When tomorrow comes, they seemingly forget they even offered and invite someone else. I even recently made a point to ask if I could join a merit party of some friends who were or almost were 75 to get exp, they said I could join after we did dynamis the next day. The next day during dynamis, instead of remembering the promise to let me join, they asked another person of the same job and level in front of my face if she wanted to exp with them after. She said no, which in turn they asked the entire linkshell if anyone else wanted to join completely forgetting about me. I am a person who holds my promises as important and dear to me with the intention of keeping any promise I have ever made, but forgetting or neglecting a promises is just rude. But I can forgive them, maybe they just forgot about me and promising me the previous day, but this wasn’t the first time. This is the third or fourth time and it seems to always happen like this regardless of the situation. A friend should know when a friend needs help and be willing to come regardless and yet none of them ever do. They pass off my requests as if I had never even asked even when I come to help them whether they even asked for me or not. I offer my services to them as a friend, but I don’t ever recall receiving the same treatment.
I really don’t know why I post this. Maybe its closure or some piece of mind but it really doesn’t make me feeling all better to say it out loud than I would have thought, so I can’t be certain why I do it. I just know I hate those “friends”, I hate you so very much. Thanks for never getting me level 75 and the many disbanded static parties. Thanks for all those broken promises. But most of all thanks for being true friends.
and of course myself and the galka, Raesvelg <3 (hehe volunteer) and go do stuff.
