GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT TARUTARU

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Answa~ said:
Money... the Church isn't a manufacturing company, they use that money to keep their priests alive and help people.

HAHAHAHAH
They why are almost all churches big and expensive and almost all priest/pastors/popes drive nice cars and live in nice houses?

Jesus said....Do not build mansions out of brick and stone, lift a stone and I'll be there, split a log and you will find me. Hes saying you can worship him without a pastor or a preacher and without going to a million dollar church. However most churches and bibles don't tell you that cause it wouldnt make them any money.

Well I guess its best to listen to "Jesus" when its convienant for you.

Money=Power and Power=Money thats the whole reasons churches where even started, Espically the Catholic churches who had a stranglehold on all the power in Europe for several hundred years maybe a 1000
 
Answa~ said:
Money... the Church isn't a manufacturing company, they use that money to keep their priests alive and help people.

Not here. Begging bastards...
 
Lets see you argue without calling people names and making personal attacks. I waited untill I was done arguing. When I see no hope of coming to an understanding, might as well. That's more fun than trying to explain myself to people like you.

Raivyn said:
Trippyhippy said:
It's against having the choice to abort a fetus. Pro- Choice isn't for abortion. Noone is for abortion. People don't walk around the country looking for babies to kill.

Quick not before I go on a tirade;

How come your view of things is so skewed that it allows you to spew forth nonsense and actually believe it?

Dude - who the fuck would be FOR abortion? That makes no sense? Are you a reporter for cbs??? I love how you can be so literal yet so abstract when it is to your favor. You do realize that you are sugarcoating 'pro-choice' to the point of lunacy, don't you?

Trippyhippy said:
Noone is for abortion.

No, really? I thought there was an actual political wing dedicated to the destruction of the human race by means of halting reproduction.

Jesus - You people are like shapeshifters. PICK A POSITION ALREADY. Don't hype it up. We KNOW what is meant by 'pro-choice'.

How hypocritcal that you should call the apellation 'pro-life' slander.
First, you make no point and tell me I'm spewing nonsense, but you don't explain yourself.

Then you say I'm being literal and abstract at the same time, but don't explain what you mean, after you call me a reporter from CBS, which I'm sure you see as an insult.

you finish up by being a smart ass and calling me a shapeshifter and telling me to pick a position, without ever mentioning what it is I'm flip-flopping on.


Raivyn said:
So how is the "Pro-ife" term being sugar coated? Don't say backwards slander and earn bonus points. How is it not an appropriate appellation? Is it cause some people, such as yourself, who have a chip on their shoulder, - and think anything connected with the right is out to get them - are offended because they think they are being called pro-death? Well then they can just go cry about it because they are far to sensitive to be productive.

Even tho the 2 positions are literal opposites, I'm you say I'm not allowed to use terms that are literal opposites to describe them, so I can't explain how it is sugar coated.

Then you tell me I have a chip on my shoulder. you go on to describe this chip as irrational fear of the right. And you state that I'm to sensitive to be productive.

So all in all, in this paragraph, you ask 3 questions and then answer them without ever mentioning the topic at hand.

Raivyn said:
Here's that abstract deniability again. If you weren't making a lame attempt at insulting my intelligence you would have avoided the topic altogether. If you were of the belief that I simply misinterpreted your posts you would have said "I don't believe you see what I'm saying" rather than "You can not comprehend my point". Stop pussyfooting around and take a stance. If you are going to call me stupid then do it and support it, don't tuck and run like a big ninny.

Your argument is entirely one dimensional, and you have yet to show how I am missing your point. Rather it seems like you have no real point to make.

The fallacy you were hiding behind is the supposed fact that I am simply 'too dumb to understand you', thus making all your points correct on some nonexistent meta-physical level. My point was quite clear, I can't believe you asked me to specify the fallacy.

Also as a point of reference; aligning yourself with and defending someone who time and time again proves their own ignorance so efficiently and succinctly that he effectively mops the floor with himself is never a good tactic. Nor is agreeing with his blatant use of unsubstantiated name calling. What do they call that all the time, a pro-tip?

well consider that a PRO-TIP.

Here, you use the word Deniability like you know what it means. In politics and espionage, deniability is the ability of a powerful player or actor to avoid blowback by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party. First, I'd like to know how deniability can be Abstract, then I'd like to know how it applies to me.

Then you make more assumptions about what i would and wouldn't do and put words in my mouth, hoping I'm going to call you stupid and calling me a ninny. I wasn't going to then because I wasn't convinced, but I will now. Stupid.

Then you talk down to me after I ask you to specify something that you made up. That being the idea that I thought you were too dumb to understand. And you quoted that, but I don't know why because I never said that. Then you go on to kill 2 birds with one stone: a stab at me and dante at the same time.


Raivyn said:
Really now? Gee why don't you just say "I am ignoring you based on the assumption that you are a conservative, and in actuality I have no idea what I am talking about".

If my posts don't make sense to you then you need to get a dictionary and a thesaurus.

More putting words in my mouth. It seems your use of quotation marks is the only liberal thing about you.

Raivyn said:
You know, these sound an awful lot like the arguments I am pressing to you and supporting with evidence, oh wait - they are! The difference between you and I is that I am including evidence and making factual statements as well as responding directly to you and not bullshitting you.

Each and every one of those statements you just made is completely false. You also offer no evidence to the contrary. I have been asking you for evidence supporting anything you've been saying for the past 3 pages and where is it? Nowhere. You don't have any. Still think you are wasting YOUR time? How dare you think I am stupid enough to fall for your lame explanation of anything.

if your whole counterpoint to anything I have to say is "I'm going to quit trying because I don't have a leg to stand on in this argument," then don't ever enter the argument in the first place, especially with no point whatsoever.

here, I'll pull a Raivyn on this one so you can see how irritating it is from my point of view.

You are being unrealisticly pedantic. If you don't know what I mean, then you are "even dumber than I thought".

What are you, a reporter from Fox News? You want to "kill everything else", why not babies too?

Trippyhippy never said:
You must excuse Darkdante, he is very easily angered by ignorance. ... I see why he is always callin you a doody head ... I see why he's so angry now

When you do actually quote me, you do it out of context. Way to go.

Trippyhippy said:
because we all know poor grammar totally refutes any arguement and you might as well just not speak. Spelling too.

You must excuse Darkdante, he is very easily angered by ignorance. It's kinda like the feeling you get when you recognize ignorance in a person that has a different point of view than you. Only he feel anger instead of pity and sorrow.

This isn't me defending Dante. I was actually making a stab at both of you. You for not wanting to learn anything and making fun of his spelling, and him for losing his temper and calling you names.

about 4 pages later said:
No counterpoint? Just saying that i basiclly want to define the things I aruge about. At least I agree with you on that.

No wonder dante is always callin you a doody head.

Just because you don't see my point doesen't mean I'm going nowhere with my arugement. It just means you can't comprehend the things I'm saying. Too bad, you might learn something if you understood me.

On this one, you didn't even quote me, you paraphrased. And Dante never called you a doody head, I'm once again stabbing at his name calling. Are you gonna tell me you are offended by me calling you a doody head?.

then on another page said:
I was going to quote your post and respond to each individual bit, but I decided I'd be wasting my time.

You can't see my point because you don't want to.

You put words in my mouth, you draw conclusions from nowhere, you insist I'm trying to call you stupid.

You use words that don't fit the context of what you are trying to say.

And another thing. [quote="Raivyn]Also as a point of reference; aligning yourself with and defending someone who time and time again proves their own ignorance so efficiently and succinctly that he effectively mops the floor with himself is never a good tactic. Nor is agreeing with his blatant use of unsubstantiated name calling. What do they call that all the time, a pro-tip?

What the hell are you talking about? I aligned myself with noone. I am giving you my views and my views alone. I defended noone. If anything, I made a Stab at Darkdante by telling him he needs to quit calling people names and calm down.

I see why he's so angry now.

I'm over it. Arguing with you is like watching a bunch of retards trying to Fuck a Doorknob.

Where is Rones? I want some intelligent discussion.
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God forbid I see someone elses point of view. If i understand what he is saying, I must be defending him.

You'll know when I defend someone. They'll quote me and put it in their signature.

This post is getting too long, I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette and finish up later. But I'm not done yet.
 
Raivyn said:
Darkdante said:
Only one dumbfuck here i'm disrespecting. Its YOU Raivyn.

Almost everybody else on this board shows some degree of intellegence. Especially to the point that they don't open up thier mouth when they don't understand something, or at least don't have an opinion of something.

Your like one of those dumbfucks that like to run off at the mouth that nobody really listens to except for a good laugh.

:lol:

$.$

Darkdante said:
Almost everybody else on this board shows some degree of intellegence.
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Your like one of those dumbfucks that like to run off at the mouth that nobody really listens to except for a good laugh.

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Translation: "I'm too much of a dumbfuck to even make a decent comeback."

:D
 
Darkdante said:
Translation: "I'm too much of a dumbfuck to even make a decent comeback."

:D

$.$

I'd post another picture about irony or some such shit but this point has been driven into the ground. Please keep posting. Everytime you say the word dumbfuck I actually earn 10 dollars.

A Friend said:
There's no way he's stupid enough to say that yet again

Me said:
Wanna bet on it?

So far he owes me $60. I'm just going to call it 'dinner' and let him off the hook with a $7 burger or something, because even I didn't think you would be stupid enough to repeatedly prove my point in such a fashion.

Hippy - keep going, your argument deteriorates further and further with every word you post. We've moved from opinionto conjecture to heresay, and now you're using lies to try and get a foothold. I'd quote it but you'd just ignore it - and everyone who has been paying attention to this thread knows exactly what I am talking about because you've been trying to find your way out of it for about 2 pages.[/quote]
 
Darkdante said:
Translation: "I'm too much of a dumbfuck to even make a decent comeback."

:D

$.$

I'd post another picture about irony or some such shit but this point has been driven into the ground. Please keep posting. Everytime you say the word dumbfuck I actually earn 10 dollars.

A Friend said:
There's no way he's stupid enough to say that yet again

Me said:
Wanna bet on it?

So far he owes me $60. I'm just going to call it 'dinner' and let him off the hook with a $7 burger or something, because even I didn't think you would be stupid enough to repeatedly prove my point in such a fashion.

Hippy - keep going, your argument deteriorates further and further with every word you post. We've moved from opinionto conjecture to heresay, and now you're using lies to try and get a foothold. I'd quote it but you'd just ignore it - and everyone who has been paying attention to this thread knows exactly what I am talking about because you've been trying to find your way out of it for about 2 pages.
 
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Oh wait! And your a Dumbfuck.

You can thank me now.
 
Konartist said:
Answa~ said:
Money... the Church isn't a manufacturing company, they use that money to keep their priests alive and help people.

HAHAHAHAH
Then why are almost all churches big and expensive and almost all priest/pastors/Popes drive nice cars and live in nice houses?

Jesus said....Do not build mansions out of brick and stone, lift a stone and I'll be there, split a log and you will find me. He's saying you can worship him without a pastor or a preacher and without going to a million dollar church. However most churches and Bibles don't tell you that cause it wouldn't make them any money.

Well I guess it's best to listen to "Jesus" when it's convinient for you.

Money=Power and Power=Money that's the whole reason churches were even started, especially the Catholic churche who had a stranglehold on all the power in Europe for several hundred years, maybe a 1000

Whatever Jesus said is open to interpretation and people can twist it their own way, I'm not going there. The Church dominating... that was in the past, the late John Paul II begged for forgiveness for the Church's past sins.

The Church isn't a bunch of beggars, people give what they want and can. And when I capitulate the word "church", I mean the Catholic Church, so don't mix anything else in it because I don't really know how their pastors or reverends or whatever else they'e called live.

I do know, however, is that there's only one Pope. To solidify this, can anyone tell m the Lutheran pope's name without looking it up? I thought so. THE Pope, capitulized, too, is the Catholic Church's Pope.

If you've ever seen a modern Catholic temple that's multimillion, tell me. All of the multimillion ones are either very old or very important, and that's the only reason they're worth anything.

The Inquisition, the Crusades, old errors. The Church grows, and it betters itself. It will occassionally stumble, because it's in hands of human beings. And human beings make errors.

And, also, name a Jew in the time of Jesus that could count to a million. I think a thousand was their greatest number. In fact, I'm pretty sure that meant infinity to them. That was a whole lot for them to imagine.

Galaika said:
1. Do you think it is right for a child to have to be born into a bad situation because of contraception failure. (ie. Poor single parent wthout the means, teenager incapable of looking after a child, no loving secure family)

Ok, to answer this question (since I'm not of this particular situation) ask a person that WAS born in a poor state and persevered. Ask them if they wish they'd been aborted. Go ahead.

Galaika said:
2. Do you think it is right for a rape victim to have to suffer the horror of having to give birth to the child of their assaulter, and then that child to later find out the means of their conception?

Not a horror. Good things come out of bad things. You either learn of them, or you sink yourself lower. A child is not an imprint of the genetic code alone, a child learns and grows and is free. The child can decide what to feel when he/she's told of his/her origins. It is not the mother's life to take. My life is not mine to take, either, but that's another matter.

Galaika said:
3. Why do the 'rights' of an undeveloped proto-human without consciousness (of course I do not condone the abortion of a fetus grown to a stage where it is conscious) outweigh the rights of the living mother and/or father?

They don't. The zygote or any of its later stages has its own rights. Inalienable (I think that's how it's written). A miscarriage is no one's fault and also, there is no true selfless purpose for which to kill any kind of human being. None.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to enter into pure religion... Catholic Ethic holds a very interesting postulate: "No wrong thing can be done to produce any good thing, no matter how good the intention." (Sorry if it's a poor translation, I know it in Spanish.)

Also: "If there's certainty (or vast hope) that there will be good coming from a dangerous (not wrong) act (like a surgery), then all that can be done should be done, after depleting every other answer."

This last premise eludes to omission and can be applied to abortion. If you have a child, and you're going to almost surely die unless you get a c-section done. You have to make sure that there's hope that the child will come out alive, otherwise it will be omission. And if it is done if it's too dangerous for the child, then it's murder. If the child dies even with the high probability, there was nothing else that could be done to save it, and so it is not murder. (I realize murder is a harsh word to those who think it's not a human yet, but I just don't care anymore and I'll be explicit about my beliefs linked into my opinions mixed with the facts I know. Whomever gets confused, it is not my fault.)

You're right by your views then, but are you right in view of the laws that your beliefs will put in to power? Will these laws be fair?

We can only hope that the Law will make sense. Many do not, and it is human error. Loopholes exist even when they can be avoided. One thing I fear from the Law is that both Judges and Lawyers are called "interpreters of the law". I don't want my laws to be interpretable, I want them to be concise and explicit. Hermetically sealed and true to its meaning and value. And such, I shall again say that we can only hope...

Let's do it this way Answa. How about a human kept alive on a machine with no brain? They take his brain out put it in a jar and keep the body alive?

How about those vegetables you always hear about with no chance of survival or recovery without machines?

How about one born with no eyes, ears, mouth, or hands? How about that one?

Can people seriously still live without a brain? I find that hard to believe, but regardless, killing them with their consent would be euthanasia, and that's another subject by itself, and as I said above about the same thing, I'm not going there except for this: I'm not for euthanasia, either.

Without their consent, murder. People have to die by themselves, period. No matter how long you can remain on a comma (or coma, I'm not sure) you're supposed to be kept alive until you die naturally. If your next argument is to tell me that ancient people are murderers, then, for letting their comatose (or commatose, I dunno....) die, or burying them alive thinking they were dead, then my answer would be simple: They didn't have the means to keep them alive. But, now we do, that's a very big difference.

Nevermind already dude.

:lol: Comedy relief, finally. :lol:

You can't make decisions like that based on hope. You can't condemn innocent people to insane laws based simply on hope, you need certainty.

As was said in the Off-Topic version of this subject, if there's uncertainty, then why risk yourself? Why kill something and say it's not a sin or not wrong if you're not religious if you're not sure if it's really so?

Because once you say human, you start to get into the argument on if a zygote is or is not a human being and should have human rights. And you'll lose that argument.

Not really. It's simple: Homo sapiens. There, I won the argument.
 
I don't want my laws to be interpretable, I want them to be concise and explicit. Hermetically sealed and true to its meaning and value.

At least we agree on something. :lol:

The problem again is all of your answers like religion is based on "faith" and "hope". There problem here is that your putting your faith and hope in men, not god.

Faith and politics don't mix Answa, as it is all your answers are based on faith. Is that how you want laws to be made in this country?
 
Indeed, I acknowldege that government shouldn't be mixed with religion, we know from history that it's a bad idea. That's why it's up to the government to devise a correct law that satisfies the right ideas and arguments, not me, a simple citizen without voice or vote.
 
Holy Shit! 2 people came to an understanding! How dare you?!?!?

Take note of this raivyn. What happened was they expressed their views to one another, then they had a discussion, then they found a common ground and choose to see each others point. Wether they agree with it or not doesen't enter into it. But they both understand what the other is saying.

Raivyn idiot said:
Hippy - keep going, your argument deteriorates further and further with every word you post. We've moved from opinionto conjecture to heresay, and now you're using lies to try and get a foothold. I'd quote it but you'd just ignore it - and everyone who has been paying attention to this thread knows exactly what I am talking about because you've been trying to find your way out of it for about 2 pages.

:roll:

What a dillusional idiot. You make up all these things in your head. You never even try to actually make a point, you only try (in vain) to refute mine.

Where are all these people that agree with you? There are none, because you haven't said anything except, and I'm paraphrasing, "You are wrong, but everyone already knows why so I don't have to explain myself."

I thought about it for a very long time, and the best way I can illustrate your point of view so that even you might be able to understand what you are saying, is to use a picture to end my post. It pretty much sums up everything you have said. Ever.
head-in-ass.jpg


Also gives new meaning to the term "Asshat".
 
Answa said:
Galaika said:
2. Do you think it is right for a rape victim to have to suffer the horror of having to give birth to the child of their assaulter, and then that child to later find out the means of their conception?

Not a horror. Good things come out of bad things. You either learn of them, or you sink yourself lower. A child is not an imprint of the genetic code alone, a child learns and grows and is free. The child can decide what to feel when he/she's told of his/her origins. It is not the mother's life to take. My life is not mine to take, either, but that's another matter.

I'm sorry but this is completely wrong. I assume from what you said that you dont know someone who has ever been raped. A rape is probably the most traumatic experience someone can go through, a violation of every part of someone. Having to live with something from your attcker growing with in you is a horror, like a sickness/infestation.

It may have the potential to become a human but between the time of conception and the time it becomes conscious the baby is NOT a seperate life. It is a collection of cells of different DNA growing within the woman, in this case unwanted. Frankly, the closest comparison (before consciousness of course) is a tumor.

Your argument revolves around your religious belief that a bad thing cannot be done to gain a good result. However, I believe by your lack of experience in such matters, to gain your good result of 'lots of living children' you are going via the bad method of 'torturing unexpecting mothers and victims'.

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So anyway...back to the subject that actually matters...

How dare Bush be racist to those poor little tarus!
 
Trippyhippy said:
Holy Shit! 2 people came to an understanding! How dare you?!?!?

Take note of this raivyn. What happened was they expressed their views to one another, then they had a discussion, then they found a common ground and choose to see each others point. Wether they agree with it or not doesen't enter into it. But they both understand what the other is saying.

Raivyn idiot said:
Hippy - keep going, your argument deteriorates further and further with every word you post. We've moved from opinionto conjecture to heresay, and now you're using lies to try and get a foothold. I'd quote it but you'd just ignore it - and everyone who has been paying attention to this thread knows exactly what I am talking about because you've been trying to find your way out of it for about 2 pages.

:roll:

What a dillusional idiot. You make up all these things in your head. You never even try to actually make a point, you only try (in vain) to refute mine.

Where are all these people that agree with you? There are none, because you haven't said anything except, and I'm paraphrasing, "You are wrong, but everyone already knows why so I don't have to explain myself."

I thought about it for a very long time, and the best way I can illustrate your point of view so that even you might be able to understand what you are saying, is to use a picture to end my post. It pretty much sums up everything you have said. Ever.
head-in-ass.jpg


Also gives new meaning to the term "Asshat".

The only point you have made is that 'Pro-Life' is a slanderous term. You have also failed to support it. You haven't said anything of worth this entire thread. I'm sorry you fail to understand, well... everything.

In closing I think this is appropriate.

Just because you don't see my point doesen't mean I'm going nowhere with my arugement. It just means you can't comprehend the things I'm saying. Too bad, you might learn something if you understood me.

Given your current attitude you are now guilty of everything you have accused me of in this thread. Your only defense is crying foul over my use of "." which was obviously to mock what you were saying, and trying to rephrase what you said ex-post-facto. Your arguments are 1 dimensional, your supporting points and evidence is edited or nonexistent, you have simultaneously thrown in the towel and claimed victory by ignoring me.

You are acting as bad as the child posting in this thread by making your own pretty little half-assed hate thread aimed in my direction.

Although what's the point? You have done the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA IM NOT LISTENIIING".

And to think I thought I was speaking to an adult.
 
White House Press Conference

Reporter: Mr. President, it has come to our attention that you don't care about Tarutaru. What do you have to say about this?

G.W. Bush: :shock: What in the hell is a Tarutaru..?

Man... that would be so awesome... to see the look on his face when someone mentioned tarutaru.
 
Asplode said:
White House Press Conference

Reporter: Mr. President, it has come to our attention that you don't care about Tarutaru. What do you have to say about this?

G.W. Bush: :shock: What in the hell is a Tarutaru..?

Man... that would be so awesome... to see the look on his face when someone mentioned tarutaru.

LOL... but seriously, he'd probably think it was some kinda terrorist group and say that they werent gonna rest till they get them all.
 
No, I've never met a rape victim that I know of. I know it's one of the most traumatic experiences if not the most, and I know it hurts. But... I just don' think it's "completely" wrong. I understand what you mean and I understand there's a certain logic in that reasoning that's shared with a lot of people. But... I just can't bear the thought of killing a kid that had nothing to do with the act. I don't really want to fight with you, I understand you, but I just want you to understand me. It will never happen to me, so I can't really answer this wih certainty, but if I were a woman and I had my same train of thought, I'd never even consider aborting the child. That's just my view.

Call me cruel for not being cruel.
 
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