GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT TARUTARU

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Answa~ said:
No, I've never met a rape victim that I know of. I know it's one of the most traumatic experiences if not the most, and I know it hurts. But... I just don' think it's "completely" wrong. I understand what you mean and I understand there's a certain logic in that reasoning that's shared with a lot of people. But... I just can't bear the thought of killing a kid that had nothing to do with the act. I don't really want to fight with you, I understand you, but I just want you to understand me. It will never happen to me, so I can't really answer this wih certainty, but if I were a woman and I had my same train of thought, I'd never even consider aborting the child. That's just my view.

Call me cruel for not being cruel.

I really don't think its one of those things you can really say that about unless you have actually experienced it. But for those who see the child as a result of their rape, what if they take out their aggression and hatred towards their attacker out on the child? is it still better for the child to have a "chance" at life?

Again i don't think it is one of those things you can honestly say you would make that decision about. Its like when you take a quiz and it asks a question like "if you and a friend were going to be tortured and you had to choose who goes first which would you pick"...could you honestly answer that? Just my opinion...but i'm pretty certain i couldn't.
 
Isn't it about time we got a new random politics thread to argue mindlessly over?
 
abortion isn't "right," but that doesnt mean people are going to stop with it, if it's legal or not

as like third world countries, people in the united states- if they are so desperate that they need an abortion- a law won't stop them. Kinda like Ares, Bearshare, Kazaa, etc. Of course downloading them is illegal, if you do it for free, but most people still do, anyways. The same will go for women that need an abortion, they'll resort to try and abort the baby themself, or going to a doctor who knows how to do it and is willing to. However, probably the doctors who worked their ass off and are board certified or w/e it is for surgeons (or whoever does the baby aborting) won't want to risk losing their jobs. The surgeons who aren't "on top" and perhaps will do anything for some "extra money" could be willing to do it, especially for a friend....or, in most cases, an unprofessional could attempt to have a go with abortion. If the patient dies, he/she was breaking the law anyway so I doubt the family could sue the doctor.

This happens in the Dominican Republic, unfortunatly, and it results in deaths. Since the abortion "solution" is going to be used with or without legal permission, wouldn't it be better to have a choice to get certified professionals to have a higher chance of ensuring the patient's life?

Anyways, before I press "Submit" I would like to repeat myself. I don't think abortion is right, but making it illegal will achieve nothing.
 
Maybe desperate people will abort, but there are also the people who will think before trying it and decide not to do it because they're scared. These small numbers are enough for me. More lives to build on hope.

I'd hate to see anyone be an abortion major...
 
It is the woman's choice. It is her body.

May she deal with <Insert Religious Belief System's Primary Deity here> when she reaches her end.
 
Yeah but no matter how people swing it your stopping a living child from growing and experiencing life so it's just a legalized form of murder. Is it her body? Sure. But if you can enjoy yourself enough to have a good night you can take the time to get a kid out of your body and put it up for adoption. That way at least the child is able to live. There really is no excuse for abortion unless the woman is dieing. Even a rape case where the woman is pregnate is debateable I mean the baby didn't put itself there why does it deserve to die? As far as Bush goes people are mostly niave and ignorant. I lost track of how many people explained to me theories of him letting Osama leave America on his private jet. Thing is, it's easy to hate a President because he's a symbol of authority. I'm all for this war on Iraq since no matter how much people hate him and us, (you know how stereotypes are) we took a man who enjoyed torturing his citizens for sport out of power and gave power to the people. Little shakey but for the most part it's a start. At least I can get a good chuckle out of how much people hate him. XD
 
Ok person gets depressed and kills themselves because their lives suck. Now wouldn't aborting them when you knew they would grow up with a shitty life because you are only 16 save a bunch of time and not screw over the parents as well?

I also think the father should have some choice in the decision, it takes two to tango.
 
Rinoah said:
Ok person gets depressed and kills themselves because their lives suck. Now wouldn't aborting them when you knew they would grow up with a shitty life because you are only 16 save a bunch of time and not screw over the parents as well?

I also think the father should have some choice in the decision, it takes two to tango.

That's not really a valid excuse, nor is any other... *sigh*... I'm not going into my hope speech again, just read back.
 
I'm down with abortion.
Sometimes I think people just need to die.
Someone tells me their life is a wreck and they don't want to bring a child into it, I say "try adoption". If that doesn't sit well with them, "kill the sucker"

Quite frankly, I think the right to abortion should be carried over till a child reaches 5 years of age. If by that time things look bad, BAM, take em out. I can usually tell when a small child is going to grow up bad, quite frankly, most people can, but are too PC to say anything about it. If you see a child that looks like it is going to be a detriment to everyone it interacts with in life, end it now, before someone else does and goes to jail for serving their community.

My job involves entering showtimes and general information for events into a database. In doing my job, I have noticed a majority (roughly 80%) of venues denying access to people insisting on bringing children under 6. (6 being the most common, but I have seen seen up to 12, and this is only reguarding "all age shows" not the obvious 18+ or 21+) The fact that the common sense of not bringing your young child to a show is lacking in society concerns me. It makes me think, "are people too cheap to get a baby sitter?" "Do people think other people will enjoy their baby's company?" "Are these the sort of inconciderate people that should be responsible for teaching this child their morals?"
 
Jesus H .. spose that's the last time i call for convictions in posting :shock:

Just a couple truths i want to lay down for people at random here:

Jesus was black and never had a donation plate. Had this truth been known organized religion in the christian form would be null and void in this country save the northernmost and westernmost areas (and even that's being liberal.) That's right, kids, if your ancestors had known he was black he wouldn't have made it past the industrial revolution. But please do continue being pious on a religion bolstered and propigated by racism in this country and feeding on the masses who would look to an imaginary friend to run their lives for them. Your relationship with god is your own, i'm loathe to pass judgement, however the only things that seperate convictions from ideology are facts. Personally i enjoy the freedom of being a faithist, i have faith in the fact that faith is a powerful thing.

God? never met the guy, neither have you wether you want to admit it or not.

Pro-Life v Pro-Choice was an invention of the media. The truth is that these two schools of thought would be more appropriately called pro and anti abortion choice. Oddly enough both sides of the argument view "abortion" as a dirty word wether for or against it.

For human beings as well as many other organisms life starts as soon as life can end. Argue it all you like, if you can be killed you're alive. Personally i'm pro-choice as even i can't put blinders on the fact that there are degenerates out there who do horrible things to women resulting in pregnancy, can't deny a woman the right to self-preservation any more than i would deny myself that right, and understand completely the idea that having a child is going to bring your world crashing down around you and would be a diservice to the child now or at any point in the history of mankind.

The two party system does not work. This is not due to the current administration, they simply make it glaringly obvious.

And last but certainly not least:

The entire government both left and right have been failing the country on national security (among other things) for quite some time. Currently there are 2000 miles of unprotected southern borders, illegal immigrants have a right to privacy on a level that US citizens don't even come close to being able to excercise, and if your lucky enough to make it over the border with child that child has all the rights of a citizen and is given easier access into the welfare system YOU and I pay for.

"But, mokk.." you ask "Where the hell do you get off and wtf does that have to do with anything?"

Here's the deal; No one is protecting us from another HUGE terror attack. Bold statement, no? Still doesn't change the fact any idiot can build a pipe bomb and hit a crowded event. Call me a bit of a sadist but when i see large gatherings or protests or riots or whatever i think "man, if they wanted to........ boom, that'd suck." Hospitols, schools, airports, train stations, etc.. you may think they're safe and that everything is fine and your government is doing something to protect you but the truth is we're no safer now than before 9/11 even thought we've shelled out god knows how much money to basicly start the George W. fraternity in our capitol.

"But the president said...."

The president says alot of crap, most of which is scripted memorized and poorly understood. Yea yea .. we're gonna go ape on governments who harbor terrorists ........ like ....... we do, fucking brilliant. Did you know we've got more terrorists in this country than there are insurgents/terrorists in iraq? Did you know some of them make political contributions? Were you aware that one of the oldest terrorist groups in existence is the KKK? Do you stop to think about these things before making an arguement for our safety?

Anyway, we should all thank our lucky fucking stars nothing else has happened cos we're wide open and waiting thanks to EVERYONE in power's lack of ability to uphold the offices they were elected to.

This last statement applies to more than terrorism but i was off on a tirade since it's been annoying me lately. I've said it before and i'll say it again; the two party system doesn't work. All that comes of it are high blood-pressures and people so vehement in their convictions (personal or otherwise) that they would give up everything to protect the status quo never wanting to even entertain the idea that the entire nation needs to be told to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up while we figure out what the rules are and lay them back down again. Anyone who thinks that you can run ANYTHING today based on 200yr old ideals is a complete moron and really just hasen't thought it though.

This isn't a leftist or liberal opinion it's a patriotic one. I'm tired of seeing people holler about generalizations or specifics. The truth of the matter is that both generalizations or specifics in conversations only go to support opinions, and get this ... just because you can support the opinion with a fact does not make the argument a fact. I can say the grass is blue cos i'm colorblind, that makes it a personal fact (skewed, if you will) but no less a fact to me, conversly someone would call me a moron because everyone knows the grass is green, so then i would hit him in the face with a tire iron or tell all my friends he's an asswipe simply because he A.) Didn't agree or B.) Didn't think to get informed as to why i came to this conclusion..... you know at base this is why the crusades were fought.

I suppose the catharsis i'm attempting to have at your expense here is that intolerance is our greatest weakness as well it could be tha salvation of this country. Because we are intolerant we are mostly ignorant zealots willing to do or say anything to get our point across. Because we're not intollerant enough the situations we disagree with stagnate or get worse.

Bottom line: Shit or get off the pot. You can't sit on your ass eating cheetos playing video games and pretend you ACTUALLY give a flying fuck about what is going on in the world all the while disassociating from it as often as possible.

How is it both sides bitch and moan about how much help we need or all the things we're going to do for everyone else all the while not giving a damn that .. as the good book puts it "God helps those who help themselves."

Build a fucking wall, start shooting trespassers, tell stupid people they're stupid and don't tolerate the "ignorance is bliss" defense.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's work .. it's hard to stay uninformed these days it's even harder to get people to appreciate the freedoms they neglect on a daily basis. But take away the right to stand on your head whilst pising in a fishbowl and there'll be a fucking riot in the capitol tomorrow.

I'm sure i could muddle on and on and on but i think i'm done for now but meh .. baby's up from his nap.
 
Since when are Jews Black? Oh well I guess an imaginary man can be whatever color you want him to be. I want my Jesus to look like a Twi-lek. They looked like they could preach pretty well.
 
i spose black was a bit generalistic; regardless had anyone put some thought to it and call out the judeo-christian artwork which portrayed a white jesus with either red or brown hair the fact remains that the biggotry early in this countries history would not have allowed for the propigation of the religion.
 
Ohyea, since i opened up every other can of worms i can think of there's another thing i wanted to say...

Lately and most recently i noticed CNN and Foxnews both covering casually wether or not white people owe black people money for reparations for slavery and whatnot and this puzzled me.

I love that people bring this up. If anyone owes anyone it's the natives of the country, we just systematically destroyed their people and took their land, by comparison picking cotton till your fingers bleed and not accepting responsibility for the fate of your people 100-200 years after the fact is a cakewalk.

That is all.
 
Locking this. If Sculli can un-sticky it that'd be great, otherwise I'll just delete it in a few days to get it off the boards.
 
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