Gets his Blackbelt and leaves

Shaunessy said:
That's basically what your saying right? I mean you do want a world of clones running around yelling about how even though their gear is the same as everyone else's, it better. YAYAYA let's all jump on the bandwagon to glory.
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Nope. As usual, you're wrong, and just assuming things you wanna hear.
 
Bigboy said:
Nope. As usual, you're wrong, and just assuming things you wanna hear.
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No, what you said was that the 99% of people should try harder to be like the 1%. Let me ask you, do you have any idea of what you want your things to be or do you look at what other people are doing and just copy them to greatness? What you were basically saying is that everyone should follow one rule. You want the 1% to be the 99% and that is just retarded. Maybe you should play a game where everyone has the same character model, stats and gear as soon as they start out and can never change it.

Or, maybe you just need to realize that they might be triing. Triing something else because they don't care about what some guy in the 1% did. Who knows maybe they will find the next big thing. I can see it now though. Bigboy telling everyone to do the thing that the guy Bigboy told not to do. That would be irony there.
 
Bigboy said:
Those 99% should work harder then. There's no reason more people can't make use of it. In fact thats the point when it comes down to it.... people should actually try.

Of course, Lavi has always jst liked arguing for the sake of arguing, so this is just par for the course. There's nothing new here.



Of course, it would be best to actually read the threa before posting in it where it is noted neither of the Kaizen members that are Moderators on this forum deleted the post. With that knowledge in hand it kinda breaks your argument. Everyone is always looking for some reason to blame someone else for them getting punished.
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You're just plain stupid, aren't you? It's not a question of working harder, it's a matter of vastly limited supply which can almost guarantee 99% of all players will never recieve a ridill. This is a fact. We cannot change Fafnir's spawn conditions, we cannot make him pop more, we cannot do anything to make him drop more besides what is already done. It's not a question of it being used properly either, anyone who has attained one should have spent enough time gearring up to make full use of it by that time.

What is consequential is the fact Phraust should obviously know 99% of the people would not have use of a Ridill nor the merits that would be needed to make the most of it. With that knowledge, he should know suggesting any weapon beyond a Scythe or Great Sword is gimping the damage a DRK can do. It's not a question of whether this is true or not, it's already been proven fact by many many DRK. While Phraust has 8 Sword merits at his disposal, the average player (Very much like the poster who was asking questions) would get nothing consequentially useful from his post. Instead, he suggested sword as a possibility and it really is, for a lack of better word, gimp. If anyone has a Ridill, then by all means make use of the best weapon in the game, but since a vast majority do not, it's not a choice.

Nasya said:
removed a post by amusedhitler b/c it was taken from a private source and not authorized by the OP to be posted here...
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Who else would have removed it? Sounds like Nasya did herself, but if you want to clarify something I missed, then by all means get to it.
 
Shaunessy said:
No, what you said was that the 99% of people should try harder to be like the 1%. Let me ask you, do you have any idea of what you want your things to be or do you look at what other people are doing and just copy them to greatness? What you were basically saying is that everyone should follow one rule. You want the 1% to be the 99% and that is just retarded. Maybe you should play a game where everyone has the same character model, stats and gear as soon as they start out and can never change it.

Or, maybe you just need to realize that they might be triing. Triing something else because they don't care about what some guy in the 1% did. Who knows maybe they will find the next big thing. I can see it now though. Bigboy telling everyone to do the thing that the guy Bigboy told not to do. That would be irony there.
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Nope. As usual, you're wrong, and just assuming things you wanna hear.
 
Shaunessy said:
You're an idiot.
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Nope. As usual, you're wrong, and just assuming things you wanna hear.
 
Well, I have 8 sword merits. I don't have a Ridill. I do not consider my sword merits useless without one. I also have a Suppa, so with merits and Suppa my Sword is at the exact same level as my Axe on WAR (Axe has one merit). Besides being useful for WAR (not the reason I did it), it is very useful for PLD and BLU (I'll get Savage Blade at 66), and even RDM (Oh no, a RDM might melee something.. well with 8 merits and acc gear no reason not to, even if its small group or soloing only). So, while I'm kind of neutral on DRK's using Sword, as I prefer Scythe and GSD, but if needed for a Skillchain I would have no problem using Swords with my merits, I don't like being called an idiot for having Sword merits without a Ridill. I love having them and wouldn't change it.
 
Firestreak said:
We appear to have reached a function that calls itself.
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Recurrsion ftl.
 
Disclaimer: I never did read the original argument. I'm assuming, from the ensuing argument in *this* topic, that it was to the tune of "if and *only if* the DRK has sword merits, use sword because for Good Reasons XYZ, it's a good idea". If, however, it was to the tune of "use sword anyway for Good Reasons XYZ, it's a good idea - btw, if you happen to have sword merits, it's even better", then this entire discussion is moot.

Sword merits (considering sword's general uselessness, outside of Ridill, in comparison to other weapons for DD jobs) are not a reasonable expectation. I can go into why, if requested. The reasons are fairly obvious though.

A Ridill, to justify sword merits, is most *definitely* not a reasonable expectation. I can go into why on *this* point too, but it's an even bigger case of stating the obvious.

Following from this, good advice will be advice that applies to the majority of up and coming DRKs with the reasonable assumption that they do not have sword merits. Limited-audience or situational advice should be to the tune of "hey, if you *do* happen to be in this unusual situation of being a DRK who has sword merits, consider this."

If the advice then goes on to recommend *getting* sword merits for this purpose, it has to justify how much of a benefit it would be, for how long in the DRK's career, up against the time spent getting the limit points (accounting appropriately for the fact that not everyone has BRD RDM WHM WAR NIN and/or MNK at 75), not to mention any time wasted or other jobs weakened by potentially taking *away* other previous combat skill merits. And if the sword merits are ultimately temporary, it also has to justify the fact that ultimately the time spent meriting sword will, too, be a waste when the sword merits are taken away to merit some other combat skill.

And that justification, I must say, would be a very interesting read. However, I'm a bit of a skeptic and I'm kinda having a hard time imagining said justification. So I'll just assume that the aforementioned advice does not recommend *getting* sword merits for that express purpose, and therefore only applied if you had them, or were going to get them, *anyway*.
 
Lavi said:
What is consequential is the fact Phraust should obviously know 99% of the people would not have use of a Ridill nor the merits that would be needed to make the most of it. With that knowledge, he should know suggesting any weapon beyond a Scythe or Great Sword is gimping the damage a DRK can do. It's not a question of whether this is true or not, it's already been proven fact by many many DRK. While Phraust has 8 Sword merits at his disposal, the average player (Very much like the poster who was asking questions) would get nothing consequentially useful from his post. Instead, he suggested sword as a possibility and it really is, for a lack of better word, gimp. If anyone has a Ridill, then by all means make use of the best weapon in the game, but since a vast majority do not, it's not a choice.
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Well, considering he couldn't even use Ridill at the time of this arguments first posting, I can assure you he wasn't using that. The swords he used that greatly shined were Tactician Magician Espidon +1 (or +2, I don't remember beyond it having a blue box). The gear and level range it's suggested for started early on, but I think something pretty obvious is overlooked repeatedly by you Lavi.

It's a suggestion of a legitimate option, and it is something that should only be looked at by people to better themselves in the long run. Even if a person reads it and decides against using swords, at least they will know one DRK build they will have to compete with. They'll know another sub they should level, and they'll look more seriously at what weapon merits have the most practical uses for them.

If the player is not new, or innexperienced, and is meriting on another job, they have everything available to them to work it right. If 99% of the people in the game are excluded from an example because of the shortage of endgame gear, I'm really confused. Because Phraust still hasn't reached a point to use endgame stuff on his DRK. Almost everything his DRK uses is purchasable.


Lavi said:
Who else would have removed it? Sounds like Nasya did herself, but if you want to clarify something I missed, then by all means get to it.
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Nasya said:
Also, I asked a supermod what they thought should be done, and even had them remove the actual post... knowing that me being in the LS involved in this post would not look good... I decided to make a post about why the post in question had been removed though, given it had been there for about an hour and many people had probably read it... guess i shoulda let alyada take care of that too.
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Please, start reading the thread before making such false statements, and ya know, basing arguments of them...
 
Because removing yourself and asking someone to do it for you to remove an impropriety are so different... She might as well have done it herself, the end result is still the same and the reasonings are the same. It's like murdering someone and getting a hitman to do it, still just as guilty.
 
Lavi said:
Because removing yourself and asking someone to do it for you to remove an impropriety are so different... She might as well have done it herself, the end result is still the same and the reasonings are the same. It's like murdering someone and getting a hitman to do it, still just as guilty.
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compare it to rape, that seems to be the comparison for anything done in game these days.
 
Lavi said:
Because removing yourself and asking someone to do it for you to remove an impropriety are so different... She might as well have done it herself, the end result is still the same and the reasonings are the same. It's like murdering someone and getting a hitman to do it, still just as guilty.
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Nope, everyone has the same ability to request something be taken down. She consulted with others first so it wasn't just determined innapropriate by her, but by another member of the QCDN staff who has nothing to do with Kaizen at all. You're trying to see a stronger connection then there really is. I would imagine the only reason it got taken care of so quickly was (Amusingly) Blazn. That deuche was making sockpuppets and posting up a storm yesterday keeping Alyada here dealing with him instead of enjoying Christmas with family. There's a more likely explanation for everything when you aren't busy looking for conspiracies.
 
Bigboy said:
Nope, everyone has the same ability to request something be taken down. She consulted with others first so it wasn't just determined innapropriate by her, but by another member of the QCDN staff who has nothing to do with Kaizen at all. You're trying to see a stronger connection then there really is. I would imagine the only reason it got taken care of so quickly was (Amusingly) Blazn. That deuche was making sockpuppets and posting up a storm yesterday keeping Alyada here dealing with him instead of enjoying Christmas with family. There's a more likely explanation for everything when you aren't busy looking for conspiracies.
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Because cops never help other cops out... We all know the truth, so what is your affiliation with Kaizen Big?
 
From the sticky:
Eleibfid said:
You know who you are, I know who you are (hi2uipsearches). So from now on, if you have something to say, say it on your main account. If you make another username to say something, I will arrange it so everyone knows who you are.
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How come the sockpuppet was never revealed?
 
Shaunessy said:
Because cops never help other cops out... We all know the truth, so what is your affiliation with Kaizen Big?
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It should hardly matter, whether it comes from a member or not, I still think I'm right and my voice should be heard as my own. I prefer to let people who actually see my toon in game make judgements, but here I should just be another player.

Cops help each other out, and I see the comparison, but in this instance, I don't think so. Cops help each other because it can reciprocate; but I don't see anything that would benefit Alyada here or later. Somehow I imagine this is more of a pain in the ass than any cop would help each other with. Dodging a speeding ticket, sure. Helping bury the bodies... prolly not.
 
To Rappa: reposting something that has been taken without permission is still a violation of our terms and we can request admins on here to remove it. And I'm 100% positive they will cooperate in copyright infringement. Just because the post goes through more than one set of hands, does not make it okay. Our rules punish the person who leaked the information. QCDN is just willing to comply to remove information that has not been authorized by the owner on request by the owner. You can post it without any consequences to you, unless QCDN admin's decide it, but they will remove it.

Everyone: The post was not even bad towards anybody it was a simple explanation/recap of what happened for LS members, you guys are not ls members and thus do not require any explanation. Stop trying to make more drama than the OP wanted/wants.

The dumb DRK discuss: who cares. dark knights are just plain emo
 
Artem said:
To Rappa: reposting something that has been taken without permission is still a violation of our terms and we can request admins on here to remove it.
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Wait, lemme see if I got this right. I haven't read the mentioned post, but are you saying you can ask a mod to remove a post if it's about a LS?

'cause, you know, I highly doubt the mods would remove posts about Antares <.<;

(No, I haven't read this thread at all, but I've got /tell's in-game asking if I had a copy of the mentioned post)

to be honest, I think removing the mentioned post if it's about what people in-game told me it's about, then that's a real abuse of mod powers.
 
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