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[Bajaratt]

I don't think there's much argument bout the situation if one person is only going to play one job ever, but these days there are many people with a wide variety of jobs. Suppanomimi is probably one of the best earrings because its a lot more versatile than the others, as well as providing a unique enhancement. It's useful not just for /nin jobs, but also for jobs that can use the +sword skill. At the same time, the money saved isn't a big deal either. Money can be easily gotten again, DM earrings can't.

I already covered that, actually, over half the jobs in the game still don't benefit from the suppanomimi at all. The only jobs that would care about sword skill are war(for ridill), pld, rdm(solo only) and blu; all of which were already on the list of jobs that would actually wear the Suppa; none of the other jobs would even care.

And while NQ geared jobs can do better than HQ geared jobs with skills and merit, given a situation where both people are putting in the same amount of effort, there are many singular pieces that can make a big difference. Suppanomimi may not be as amazingly powerful as relic, d ring, etherael earring, multi hit weapons, etc but it certainly makes a difference. Even if the difference seems small when compared on a personal level, if everyone in your party/ally/LS makes a similar effort with similar HQ gear, the difference should become more apparent. Its true that a lot of the time that it can just come down to luck, but doesn't that just mean you should strive to control all the other variables to the best of your ability through better gear/skill/merit?

You're assuming that every job dual wields swords to deal damage. If you are going to level and main one of the jobs that uses dual wield, then get a Suppa, otherwise you'll be waisting your choice on something that will get you no benefit at all. I'm not saying no one should ever pick the Suppa, I'm saying that not everyone is going to want it based on their jobs, because it's useless for most of the jobs out there.

 

[Rhaddy]

I already covered that, actually, over half the jobs in the game still don't benefit from the suppanomimi at all. The only jobs that would care about sword skill are war(for ridill), pld, rdm(solo only) and blu; all of which were already on the list of jobs that would actually wear the Suppa; none of the other jobs would even care.

Still leaving BST off the list? ;/
Besides that was my point. It's more versatile. 4 or 5 jobs being able to benefit from 1 piece of equipment makes it a lot more useful than a piece of equipment that only makes 1 job better.

You're assuming that every job dual wields swords to deal damage. If you are going to level and main one of the jobs that uses dual wield, then get a Suppa, otherwise you'll be waisting your choice on something that will get you no benefit at all. I'm not saying no one should ever pick the Suppa, I'm saying that not everyone is going to want it based on their jobs, because it's useless for most of the jobs out there.

I wasn't simply referring to using Suppanomimi, I was referring to Soujiro's point about single pieces of gear making or breaking a job.

 

[Bajaratt]

Still leaving BST off the list? ;/
Besides that was my point. It's more versatile. 4 or 5 jobs being able to benefit from 1 piece of equipment makes it a lot more useful than a piece of equipment that only makes 1 job better.

Since when does a BST even use a sword? The only jobs that actually use a sword enough to care about sword skill, it's the only weapon that has any decent damage or they have a ridill. Since swords suck in terms of damage, there's no reason to use one unless you have the best sword in the game or you have to. My point was in response to you saying that they jobs would want a Suppa for the sword skill even if they don't want the dual wield; which unless BST's run around with swords(can they even equip swords?) they wouldn't.

I'm not going to edit the post I made on the last page saying all the possible jobs that would get any benefit out of a suppanomimi; I'll include BST on the list of jobs that woudl get use out of a Suppa, but as I said before it's not the only one they would get a good deal of use from.

 

[Mishaela]

BST get an E in sword. I wouldn't use one for anything more than looks. =/
Might be good for Spirits Within but I forget if they can get that or not.

 

[Skaw]

I like how my big wall of math was ignored. Unless your average delay between both weapons is 180 or lower, and 451 or higher(After Dual Wield), Suppanomimi does nothing for TP Building on average(and if it does, very little at best.) If you can equip any earring that increases your damage per hit by 5~%(more likely on exp mobs,) Suppanomimi will do nothing for your damage over time unless you're fighting things that you're doing upper damage on, which isn't going to be anything you're exping on, and unlikely any major NM. Strictly speaking for some jobs.

Before the TP/Delay formula changes, yes.. Suppanomimi was the best. After, not so much.

 

[Rhaddy]

Since when does a BST even use a sword? The only jobs that actually use a sword enough to care about sword skill, it's the only weapon that has any decent damage or they have a ridill. Since swords suck in terms of damage, there's no reason to use one unless you have the best sword in the game or you have to. My point was in response to you saying that they jobs would want a Suppa for the sword skill even if they don't want the dual wield; which unless BST's run around with swords(can they even equip swords?) they wouldn't.

I'm pretty sure it was established earlier in the thread that BST would use it for /nin sub for dual wield +. I never said anything about BST using Supp for sword skill +.

I see where the comment about BST and sword skill is coming from though. I was referring to the original list of jobs that can benefit from suppanomimi, not the list that you gave for jobs that would only benefit from the sword skill +.

I'll include BST on the list of jobs that woudl get use out of a Suppa, but as I said before it's not the only one they would get a good deal of use from.

This is really the main point here. The alternative for BST would be Beastly earring right? But compared to Beastly, Suppanomimi would benefit more jobs. If the concept of getting a "good deal of use" from includes versatility among a wide variety of jobs, Suppanomimi is a better choice.

 

[Bajaratt]

I'm pretty sure it was established earlier in the thread that BST would use it for /nin sub for dual wield +. I never said anything about BST using Supp for sword skill +.

I see where the comment about BST and sword skill is coming from though. I was referring to the original list of jobs that can benefit from suppanomimi, not the list that you gave for jobs that would only benefit from the sword skill +.

Yeah, I know that BST sometimes would sub nin now, but my response was to you saying that people would get a Suppa for sword skill, when only 4 jobs would even care about it. I already said that BST would get some use out of it, not sure why you still think I'm not including BST in the list(even if it's situationally applied like drk and pld).

 

[Westyle]

I have a suppanomimi so I while ignore all arguments against it. It is the best because I earned it and I say so, and as we all know, I am in infallible. Anyone who disagrees with me will be reduced to salt by crushing with my massive e-penis and have burgers made of their first borns.

 

[pakomen]

Somebody close this thread. Westyle has spoken. We can all go about our ways now. There's nothing to see here.

 

[Neolink]

I have a suppanomimi so I while ignore all arguments against it. It is the best because I earned it and I say so, and as we all know, I am in infallible. Anyone who disagrees with me will be reduced to salt by crushing with my massive e-penis and have burgers made of their first borns.

"Mmm mmm mmm, that IS a tasty burger!." - Jules 'Pulp Fiction'
edit: ends of sentences don't have a period and exclaimation point...but now they do.