Graphics Comparison Xbox 360 vs PS3

The only thing discernably better on the 360 than the PS3 is the crowd. PS3's crowd just looks awful.
 
Graphically speaking I think you have to be really biased to say any of the games look noticeably better on one platform or the other. Oblivian is the only exception and that's just cause the devs upgraded everything for the PS3 which was released months later.

And to RaiderX you have to be a real idiot to think the point of buying a PS3 is to get better looking graphics than 360 on multi-platform releases. For the $120 you're paying more than elite you get blu-ray and wireless internet as well as more reliable hardware.

Not saying 360 doesn't have its advantages as well... just saying throwing out identical screens of the same games and saying, "$200 more why?lol" is ridiculous.
 
I made a post like this before, never turned out well. Here's how it is.

The ATI Xenos inside the 360 is slightly more advanced than the PS3's Nvidia RSX. It's also because of the Xeno's structure were they able to put out HD quality games Via HD converter cable, or even make the XboX 360 Elite with the HDMI port.

As a system, will we see better graphics on the 360 ? The answer is not likely. And i'll tell you why.

To sum it up in one word. Storage.
I know many of you don't want to hear it again, But the Blu-Ray disc allows the PS3 to access more data, so models, shaders, and textures of a higher quality can and will be used to create the kind of visuals the 360 would have to make daring sacrifices to achieve. If a 360 game appears to be off the scale, you can rest assure the game will be short and lacking in many other areas. 360 does have the power to contain real time CG to drop you're lip. But it's inability to access large amounts of data is the one thing holding developers back from creating games that will push the 360's limits.

The Xeno's inside the 360 is very hungry, and due to how much it can access, it's power does not matter. Only in cross platfourm games, and the difference in any case is only noticable through side by side digital comparrison shots.

In this case, the Xeno's is slightly better, but it does not destroy the RSX. The Xeno's will most likely win most of the time with cross platfourm games, but when the PS3 get's serious and starts pulling off shit the 360 cannot do, we can only say if only the PS3 had a Xeno's so the game can look slightly better.
 
Well for now the 360 is a better graphic producer. It just is, for now. 360 has a stronger GPU. Many tech people claim tho, in future once devs know how to balance PS3s power it will be the visually superior console. At the moment 360 has a triple core, each is a 3.2Ghz processor capable of 2 threads each. The GPU used 48 shader units. Which what you see at the moment 360 usually has the better shadows and lighting in multiplats, all for the moment. PS3 is using 7 cores.(there are 8 but 1 is completly reserved for non gaming issues)Sony has yet to release the official specs i believe, but its rumored each is 700Mhz and capable of 1 thread each. The PS3s GPU is weaker then 360s. BUT PS3 processes the info differently, using cell processing which is considered one of strongest. Once devs know how to use PS3s technology it will probably be in the lead.

EDIT: Ant said most of is as i was typing. But in future i expect PS3 games to be visually superior. Like miles of landscape in HD that can be accessed. Where in years 360 will probably still limit you to smaller areas and such.(not real small i hope!)
 
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Storage really doesn't mean you can display more, if the rest of the system is taxed. What it simply means is that your textures can be larger, or uncompressed without affecting the length of the game compared to a small medium. 50 Gig discs don't translate directly to better graphics, if your GPU and VRAM can't handle it.

I have half a terabyte in storage on my PC. Doesn't change the fact that what I can run games at is completely up to my processor, RAM, and my X1650 Pro.

Actually, a console is even worse than a PC in that regards, as a HDD can be used as RAM. A console can't do that with the media the games are stored on, since they cannot write with their optical drives.
 
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Antaru hit it. On cross-platform games, the 360 will look a little beter because they had to knock the size of the game to fit the 360, and the GPU is slightly better in the 360. But on solo release games, the PS3 will beat the 360 in visuals, because it will be designed to use the full resources of the system, rather than having to dumb it down to DVD9 and no inboard HDD.
 
Skaw said:
Storage really doesn't mean you can display more, if the rest of the system is taxed. What it simply means is that your textures can be larger, or uncompressed without affecting the length of the game compared to a small medium. 50 Gig discs don't translate directly to better graphics, if your GPU and VRAM can't handle it.
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Storage = the amount one can access. The PS3 is ready to handle it with 256 megs of it's sexy GDDR3 VRAM with a speed of 700 mhz, which is pet below the PS3's 256 MB XDR RAM clocked at 3.2 Ghz.

A system with media that can only store 32 megs in todays world is a joke. But none the less cannot store the files needed to prouduce the kind of graphics we're talking about. PS3 has 50 Gig's of media.

Storage = access. It's all about how much the system can access. Storage is a big deal.

Skaw said:
I have half a petabyte in storage on my PC. Doesn't change the fact that what I can run games at is completely up to my processor and my X1650 Pro.
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You're exagerating about the petabyte right ? cause no one has that amount of space in a single PC. But i get the example and assume it's just that.

If the software in question is of that size, ofcoarse we'll need hardware of greater speeds and more memory.

Petabyte scale is above 1,000,000,000,000,000 bytes.

Playing games at the quantum level requires quantum hardware. which would be worth multi billions of dollars in this life time we're living. For all we know the machine might even start to show us emotion lol

For now it's Cell broadband, crazy ass GDDR (the good RAM, better than DDR) and 50 gigs on a media to access.
 
edit: ps3 patch wasnt released yet, but xbox 360 gets the ps3 graphical update patch soon, good thing its optional.
 
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Marajade said:
Antaru hit it. On cross-platform games, the 360 will look a little beter because they had to knock the size of the game to fit the 360, and the GPU is slightly better in the 360. But on solo release games, the PS3 will beat the 360 in visuals, because it will be designed to use the full resources of the system, rather than having to dumb it down to DVD9 and no inboard HDD.
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They make the game for the constraint 360 then toss the PS3 a copy. Seeing on how the multiplatfourm game will use up no more than 3 cores, the PS3 might aswell be folding in the background while playing multiplatfourm games.
 
Anttaru said:
Storage = the amount one can access. The PS3 is ready to handle it with 256 megs of it's sexy GDDR3 VRAM with a speed of 700 mhz, which is pet below the PS3's 256 MB XDR RAM clocked at 3.2 Ghz.

A system with media that can only store 32 megs in todays world is a joke. But none the less cannot store the files needed to prouduce the kind of graphics we're talking about. PS3 has 50 Gig's of media.

Storage = access. It's all about how much the system can access. Storage is a big deal.
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You're missing the point. Regardless of how much you can access, you're still limited by the rest of the hardware. Storage doesn't mean better graphics by itself. Yes, Blu-Ray allows for more/larger/crisper textures, but ONLY if the rest of the hardware can put it to use without choking.

You're exagerating about the petabyte right ? cause no one has that amount of space in a single PC. But i get the example and assume it's just that.
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Oversight, forgot Tera fit between Giga and Peta.

If the software in question is of that size, ofcoarse we'll need hardware of greater speeds and more memory.
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I'm not talking about games using up that much, but that much of physical storage.

Despite having storage that dwarfs what games take up, it doesn't aid in my system running better unless virtual memory becomes a huge necessity, over someone who doesn't have that much storage. Especially if they have a better graphical output and/or processor.

The largest hard drive in the world isn't going to allow someone to run Oblivion on a machine containing a Pentium III or Geforce 3-era video cards. It does allow you to play a game significantly larger than Oblivion, however.

Storage doesn't magically make up and surpass the restrictions placed by the rest of the hardware.
 
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Firestreak said:
And to RaiderX you have to be a real idiot to think the point of buying a PS3 is to get better looking graphics than 360 on multi-platform releases. For the $120 you're paying more than elite you get blu-ray and wireless internet as well as more reliable hardware.
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I bet people that buy PS3 are willing to spend and extra 200 dollars for those great exclusive games too, oh wait....
 
Skaw said:
You're missing the point. Regardless of how much you can access, you're still limited by the rest of the hardware. Storage doesn't mean better graphics by itself. Yes, Blu-Ray allows for more/larger/crisper textures, but ONLY if the rest of the hardware can put it to use without choking.
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I did mention the Random access memory specs, and i do get the point. PS3 is equiped to handle it without chocking, and the storage capacity of BluRay allows PS3 media to have these larger files that have finer quality. Sure the system has it's limits.

The beauty of High defination, does not ride solely on pixle ratio. It rides on less compression. BluRay's clean picture can be emulated by a video with such compression levels being played off of a HDD.

Because Blu-Ray can "store" such large files, they can go ahead and use less compression making DVD looks like shit. If you notice, compression on some commercial DVDs are too noticable. The Lord of the Rings DVD Box set is beautiful because they never compressed them so badly, the entire trilogy is on 6 DVDs, each movie being on 2 discs. that is to preserver quality. Even so the entire box set will fit on a single Blu-Ray and they can still use digital content with even less compression to make it look even better.

Less compression = higher quality picture.

Movies aside, this same wonder is in effect with Data storage on Blu-Ray, and again the PS3 is designed to process these magnitudes of information. The specs on the PS3 is no myth, i don't know what more to say about it.


Skaw said:
I'm not talking about games using up that much, but that much of physical storage.
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In no way do i imply the PS3 is handeling more than it can either.

Skaw said:
Despite having storage that dwarfs what games take up, it doesn't aid in my system running better unless virtual memory becomes a huge necessity, over someone who doesn't have that much storage. Especially if they have a better graphical output and/or processor.
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I see where you missed my point. So i'll say again, the 360 does not have media that can feed it enough data to match the PS3's way. In no way do i imply storage and accessing larger amounts makes for better system performance. In the 360's case, why have that much power when you cannot feed it enough data to utalize further potential ? the Xenos specializes in texturing, but the media is not designed to accommodate the ATI Xenos properly.

Xenos wants high def... It wants low compression textures. It will not get this because the DVD9 does not have the space for these things. Sure GOW is beautiful, It is also short. the most anticipated games cannot afford to be short so GOW2 will have complaints, only way to make the game longer is to tone it down graphically.

Skaw said:
The largest hard drive in the world isn't going to allow someone to run Oblivion on a machine containing a Pentium III or Geforce 3-era video cards. It does allow you to play a game significantly larger than Oblivion, however.
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I am aware of that. Alot of these PC games, eat up alot of DVD9 space. some of these PC games, are too large for DVD9 aswell. The point is 360's space is too limited.

Bring DooM3 to 360 and it will NEVER play in the special High rez setting. Because of this the Xenos is deprived

Skaw said:
Storage doesn't magically make up and surpass the restrictions placed by the rest of the hardware.
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Storage places the restriction on the very development of the game. 360 game development means use lower poly counts sooner, because you're running out of space soon, it mean use lower end shaders sooner, because the limit is near.

Make smooth models and high end shaders on a 360 and the game will be short on content.

For the last time and for clearity, storage does not accelerate the hardware in any way, it contains the data the hardware needs to run at full force.

Less storage space = Less access for hardware = less texture = less shader = less poly count = hungry Xenos which is capable of handeling more of everything the 360 can provode for it.

Put a 50 gig game on the 360 HDD that's fine, but it would also suck if you had to do that.

If the 360 had HDDVD or BluRay it will be able to feed the Xenos high end shaders without sacrificing game length and other attributes that makes us giggle.

Stick with small files and more compression on a DVD9 .. That will never push the Xenos. Never never never. Xenos needs more access, which only more storage can provide
 
RaiderX said:
I bet people that buy PS3 are willing to spend and extra 200 dollars for those great exclusive games too, oh wait....
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How many great exclusives are on the 360 ?

Not too many, but atleast you're happy when games go multiplatfourm.

For the record i'm aware many of you don't gave a damn what game goes where and neither do i
 
Anttaru said:
How many great exclusives are on the 360 ?

Not too many, but atleast you're happy when games go multiplatfourm.

For the record i'm aware many of you don't gave a damn what game goes where and neither do i
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Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead or Alive, Tenchu Z, Forza to name a few out right now, not to mention the soon to be out Mass Effect which looks amazing. Of course thats just my opinion. So far what does the PS3 have, resistance? Thats about it.

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Just trying to avoid situations such as these.

http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=45662
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And? I got the ring too, and microsoft fixed it free of charge, i didn't even have to pay shipping. I'd rather risk the ring then have no good games... Not to mention i could buy two core systems for the price of one ps3. Plus who's to say the PS3s wont start to shit out in awhile, i'm not saying they will and they probably wont, but shit happens.

Edit: Also this is just my opinion, all the games i listed may suck ass in your opinion and maybe the ps3 exclusives are amazing to you, to me they suck. Thats just what i think.
 
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RaiderX said:
Halo 3, Gears of War, Dead or Alive, Tenchu Z, Forza to name a few out right now, not to mention the soon to be out Mass Effect which looks amazing. Of course thats just my opinion. So far what does the PS3 have, resistance? Thats about it.

Edit: Also this is just my opinion, all the games i listed may suck ass in your opinion and maybe the ps3 exclusives are amazing to you, to me they suck. Thats just what i think.
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Yes, and you created this very thread to strike the PS3 too. I'll be honest with you. I don't like most games on boath systems. So few games on 360 excite me, same with PS3. But i see a brighter future for PS3. I don't wish to see the 360 die, but to my taste, PS3 is more appealing even today. It won't be long before you discover the truth about all this hate you have for PS3 and people who buy it. Just don't talk about graphics, cause if Microsoft can have a do over, they wouldn't have made the 360 the way it is now.

I give credit to Halo 3 even though i never played it, it's much desired. Watch out though cause when Halo 3 comes out, Haze will be coming for it. a FPS that resembles Crysis isn't such a bad thing.

Gears or War is off the chain, but if you think it's greater than Resistance that is fine.

Dead or Alive. I like Team Ninja but i disliked Dead or Alive, will Master Cheif make the game better ? It's a good looking game, If that's outstanding to you that's fine aswell. I won't pit that against Tekkin cause i hate that game

Forza is nice but it can't match Gran Turismo "3" graphically. Technically i doubt it has as much work put into it as Gran turismo. But to each his own.

Tenchu Z ? I hated Tenchu on PSX. No action and graphics sucked balls. Just sneaking around futile villages and slaying Samuari. I just checked out Tenchu Z online. It's not pleasant to look at might i add. Not because the enviroment is linar and simple things like bushes do not react. but because it appears to be the same shit. I like a game where i bust in the room and start kicking everyones ass. Like Ninja Gaiden Black. Best action game, until Ninja Gaiden Sigma poped up.

So you gave me 5 games. I think PS3 can tank those rather well as it is. But that's just my opinion.
 
No doubt the PS3 has potential, but so does the 360. Oh, and i forgot to add GTA:IV and crackdown. And I don't hate the ps3 or people who buy them. Shit if i had the money, id have a ps3 parked in front of my too, i just like to give ps3 owners shit. I'm mostly just joking around. Do i think the xbox 360 is better though? Hell yes. Is it only based on my opinion? Yes. Does the PS3 suck? Of course not, but its still fun to rip on it.

EDIT: And yeah, I'm also looking forward to haze. Don't know what that has to do with anything though since it is also on the 360. Looks good though.
 
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RaiderX said:
Plus who's to say the PS3s wont start to shit out in awhile, i'm not saying they will and they probably wont, but shit happens.
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They already have. If you do everything he's done to search for Xbox 360 fuck-up's you'll find the same things about the PS3 and it's freezing problems. Hell, Elemmire posted about a week or two ago about having problems with hers.
 
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