Hell Hath No Fury Like a "Woman" Scorned

Mattaru I would hope that if Kaizen is going to push forward that they do it under a new name and start fresh. Had it been some of the members that had done the cheating then it would be easy to just shrug them off. However the head guys doing the nasties completely sully the name of the linkshell and the members therein. Maybe only a handful of the members were dirty. But was it a handful of people that through their underhanded tactics facilitated a lot of the great things the shell was able to accomplish? Does their current state justify the means they took to get there?
 
So, is it possible to get astounding gear like relics without cheating, fishbotting w/e ? Man 90 relics removed from lolHNM LSs on a topic that doesn't concern HnMsince it's tied to salvage. What will happen when SE reviews SandWorm logs ? The rest of the relics will be gone or ..?

An why do people keep staying in such LSs when bulshit rules are in place. I mean it's limbus/salvage. You don't need an alliance of relic to beat that.

Moral of the story :

- Don't do all your events in a single LS. You take the risk of getting cheated by leaders and to get banned if you join events where they cheat (see salvage : you could get banned w/o initiating duping).


- Do like me and have one LS / event. Dynamis, salvage, limbus, einherjar w/e.
 
I'm pretty sure SE reviewed salvage, nyzul, AND Sandworm logs when they did this.
 
Mattaru said:
The only thing I have to say about this matter is concerning people posting about "the fall of kaizen" etc.

I feel like this is probably the main reason a lot of Kaizen people do not post on these boards: people make assumptions from misinformed opinions, or just have absolutely no basis for their statements other than their own inclination, then choose to run with it.

I think people fail to realize that Kaizen has more depth to it than they believe. True, losing some members who held kind of backbone positions in the shell will be difficult, but that does not mean people do not step up, and take initiative. And there are people like that in Kaizen.

I am not going to go through a dig through all of Phraust's stuff here, and ask for further links and evidence, and discredit some things. Because quite frankly it is a waste of time. It is a waste of time for the reasons stated above - people are more willing to jump to conclusions and make up their own minds rather than listen to actual reasoned discourse.

But, I will point to the near end of his post when he talks about Xtereem. A point to be taken away from that is that Phraust says that members in Kaizen today are still very capable and it is folly to believe that we aren't capable in what we choose to do.

To Kaizen people: don't let people weave their self-fulfilling prophecies of demise. I'm not going to say they are "jealous" of us or anything like that, just misinformed about the people we have left in the shell, and our ability to get things done together.
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Kaizen has been pedestalized, not all too uncommonly by it's own members, as the shell to rival the cheap tricks of others, i.e. JDA back before it broke and reformed. I guess its normal to see everyone immediately double take and exclaim, "Ha!" Its also not too much of a stretch to wonder about the leadership, especially after the leader was pretty much canned OuterHeaven style. (Do I ever remember the name of that shell correctly??)

Kaizen still has good people undoubtedly, but the Kisada granted Kaizen image has taken a hit.
 
Every rule change kisada did was because people were bitching about the current rule. Also just so you know phraust kisada may have disliked you because of some scypio bullshit but to me you just generally seemed like a tool.

If kisada's relic was really funded by a fishbot at least he funded it himself and didn't have his little E-girlfriend constantly farm him a mil every week. You must have sent her a nice fake picture of yourself to get her that attached. I wonder if she's upset because after all the work she put into your relic you still can't manage to do shit with it from what I hear.
 
Cheating is cheating. There is no excuse for it :/
 
Haha Im not making exuses I quit and sold my account a long time ago I couldn't give a shit about kisada. I was just taking a nice shot at phraust because he somehow flirted his way into having an E-bitch who would literally farm a mil up every week so he could run dynamis for his coins.
 
Tailss said:
If kisada's relic was really funded by a fishbot at least he funded it himself
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Are we seeing a trend of more and more people who support others who cheat hack and use exploits to their advantage?
 
Kaizen is certainly not the only shell where leads have messed around with lots to help/hurt certain people on purpose. I'm glad to see I am not the only person who can not stand it.

Glad to see long time cheaters get caught.

gl to kaizen. You do have an oppertunity to clean up your shell and become something better now but I'm not going to hold my breath, at least you were always better competition than the horde of server transfer shells.
 
Mattaru said:
The only thing I have to say about this matter is concerning people posting about "the fall of kaizen" etc.

I feel like this is probably the main reason a lot of Kaizen people do not post on these boards: people make assumptions from misinformed opinions, or just have absolutely no basis for their statements other than their own inclination, then choose to run with it.

I think people fail to realize that Kaizen has more depth to it than they believe. True, losing some members who held kind of backbone positions in the shell will be difficult, but that does not mean people do not step up, and take initiative. And there are people like that in Kaizen.

I am not going to go through a dig through all of Phraust's stuff here, and ask for further links and evidence, and discredit some things. Because quite frankly it is a waste of time. It is a waste of time for the reasons stated above - people are more willing to jump to conclusions and make up their own minds rather than listen to actual reasoned discourse.

But, I will point to the near end of his post when he talks about Xtereem. A point to be taken away from that is that Phraust says that members in Kaizen today are still very capable and it is folly to believe that we aren't capable in what we choose to do.

To Kaizen people: don't let people weave their self-fulfilling prophecies of demise. I'm not going to say they are "jealous" of us or anything like that, just misinformed about the people we have left in the shell, and our ability to get things done together.
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I had no problem with Kaizen in general, it was several of the more elitist, holier than thou members (2 of which are now banned) that bothered me and I bet others as well. They acted as if they were the only ones trying to lead a quality shell and no one else lived up to that standard. They made accusations and yet, they were also guilty of all those same things. This is why a lot of people are happy to see them kicked down a notch.

And I am not misinformed. I have known my fair share of members inside Kaizen to understand how lotting works and every single member has said the same thing, it's geared in favor of a small few while the main majority slave to get the small few more gear. Hence why a lot of Kaizen members leave and join other shells.

I wish you good luck and I hope for your sake, you don't make the same mistakes they did.
 
Lavi said:
And I am not misinformed. I have known my fair share of members inside Kaizen to understand how lotting works and every single member has said the same thing, it's geared in favor of a small few while the main majority slave to get the small few more gear. Hence why a lot of Kaizen members leave and join other shells.
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That's the best part about this whole thing, there's so many shells that have been like this on the server over the years (and most certainly across the others). A large group of people working for the glory the 'officers'. People knew what they were getting into when they signed up and were okay with the leaders soaking up the best gear if it meant a shot at what they wanted. And now what? It's all gone, due to system that rewards the ones at the top and a duping trick.

What delicious irony.
 
I like you, Phraust. You know how to shake things up. Actually, I probably would never have chosen to play thief if I hadn't read your posts on alla in like 04'

Not to get on your dick or whatever. But, there you go.
 
Tailss said:
If kisada's relic was really funded by a fishbot at least he funded it himself
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Phraust's post made me smile and I thought it was very entertaining, but man oh man, did this make me laugh.

pchan said:
So, is it possible to get astounding gear like relics without cheating, fishbotting w/e ?
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I know this question is kind of rhetorical, but... Yup. It just takes us a little longer.
 
This is a really interesting compare/contrast with Meastoso's thread. Meastoso barges in here and acts like he's god's gift to vana'diel and that we were lucky to have him. He then proceeds to put down half the server and speaks in a manner usually reserved for playground recess. He justifies his cheating and says "at least it wasn't worse".

Then you have this topic. It's well-written, not full of childish insults, and is straight-forward and easily readable. It really opens the eye to a lot of rather interesting things that happened in the shell (homam legs priority to a pld? wut?). Thanks for the interesting read, and thanks for coming in here and posting like you're talking to people instead of dogs.
 
Phraust can you cook me one of whatever you ate? Whatever it was came out the other end as gold. I might even be able to sell it for more than what I'd make in an online poker session.

For like 5 seconds I almost wanted to reinstall and log back in just to high five you..
 
Watching the tumbling around in both of these friends makes me happy.
People got what they deserved, and this is just stamping on more shame to anyone who had any doubt about them.
 
Wow, Phraust... Just wow.

You've come a long way, Phraust... I remember back when FFXI was new... in late 2003... And we met in Upper Jeuno, and you were curious to "watch me unlock Beastmaster Job".

I even remember when I used to go in Dynamis with Kaizen some years back...

And after that, I even remember some of the whispers and stories about Kaizen's inner-workings...

Never thought it'd come out to be something as Epic as this.

You win the internets this year, Phraust. Hands down.
 
Falsey said:
posting in epic "fall of kaizen" thread.

i just have to say, phraust there is always a reason why i liked you, also i cant believe you were called greedy. a person who sacrificed his time for others and never asked for anything back in return. you, BB and tali helped me get my coffers for my blm when i was like level 60, without even knowing me or asking for a damn thing, thats NOT greed. thanks old friend
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I agree, years ago Phraust helped me several times out of nowhere and expected nothing in return. Naming Phraust as greedy in my opinion is bullshit.
 
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