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[Morwen]

Yes and no. I would probably taken my stuff back or at least something(s) of equal value to which had been taken from me; however, I would not act like a juvenal delinquent and delete someone else's character. I wouldn't try to steal LS property just so I could resell it. Notice he tried to get a Novio Earring for a character that wasn't his own? I'm sure you can guess what he planned on doing with it and why he wanted it.

Do you personally think he is so innocent? Or even righteous? Obviously Meeze doesn't even think so. I mean what further proof do I need other than look at his own actions. He did it and ran like a bitch with his tail between his legs to another server. That's not the actions of a righteous man, those are the actions of a thieving criminal. Here is a guy who has pissed off so many and garnered so much mistrust, no end game shell would ever accept him on this server. And I am to show him some sympathy or even think he was justified in doing so? How about why it took over a year for him to finally steal her stuff and delete the character?

My question was more towards the people that just sit here spewing things about Meeze when he's not here to defend himself or speak up. For all the people that come in and say 'This is wrong, he's a piece of shit' how many of them would have done the same thing? I expect no one to show him sympathy whether or not this was justified. This was obviously an act of malice, there is nothing to refute that. What my question was meant to do is make people look at themselves and ask 'Am I using this as an opportunity to shit on someone only, or would I have done the same thing?'.

Lol, I in no way find Meeze to be righteous or particularly agreeable in any sense. But in my personal opinion I think what he did (aside from deletion) to the Partygirl player character was justified after all that had happened. Everyone finds someone in this game that they think they can trust. Be it with personal information, secrets or your character. Not everyone trusts the right person. Meeze thought, at one point, that this person was cool and now? Many months later this preson was stupid enough to think that what, Meeze was over it? "Hey, I know I stole your character for over a year and gave it back with nothing but R/EX but do you think you could hold onto this well-geared taru for me and watch over it?" Suuuure I will! No harm, no foul right? BAM! Home-made, slow-cooked, tasty revenge.

Now, the LS business, I don't agree with. There are many others that Novio/a could go to that could use it I'm sure. I do not know their roster or anyones attendance (nor do I particularly care), but I'm also not saying that Meeze didn't deserve it. Maybe he did get fucked over. Maybe he didn't. Some people will carry a grudge over such things, some will try to get even in the way they see fit. Both things are completely their right to do. Pick your poison. If the leadership and system is so horrible as to allow things to escalate to that point, I would rather turn an eye to the operation than the member.

 

[Excim]

Suuuure I will! No harm, no foul right? BAM! Home-made, slow-cooked, tasty revenge.

Mmmm.... slow cooked revenge.... *drool*


Meeze was always good and respectful to the people who deserved it. He was helpful and knowledgeable, and an all around great guy you could joke around with, and the kind of guy that got things done. He worked damn hard on his character, really damn hard.

If Partygirl hadn't jacked his shit, she would still have her character, no doubt in my mind. And I would have done the same damn thing he did.

 

[Neisan]

You can claim to take the High Road all you want. There is evil in every heart. Not one of you can claim that the thought would not have crossed your mind.

 

[Tymon]

Here is a guy who has pissed off so many and garnered so much mistrust, no end game shell would ever accept him on this server.

then why was he easily accepted into perfection?

 

[Sabia]

Not picking sides or anything as I don't know both sides of the story but the title change on the BG thread almost made me spit coffee out of my nose.

Sorry Meeze D:

 

[Raesvelg]

then why was he easily accepted into perfection?

He didn't have enough sea pop sets to buy his way into Integral?

 

[jyakotsu]

Meeze was just a Vang wannabe and always will be. He could be an all right guy for all I care, it was hypocritical attitude that pissed me off. I remember one such statement where he boasted his LS was never gimp and every one of them had HQ rings or some BS. The next day, I saw some gimp with NQ rings running around. Want to take a guess which LS he was from? Or how many of those LS members don't even bother to farm sky for some of the best gear easily and readily available? The guy was just full of shit all the time, he just got off acting like a big shot talking down to anyone he could regardless of the reason just because he got off acting like an asshole. And seriously, I just lol at the fact she ripped him off like the massive tool he called everyone else, it was priceless then and it's priceless now.

You are calling who gimp?

I loled, like hard. You seriously are rating a persons gimpness by NQ rings? I'll tell you right now that a NQ vs HQ rings do not make a player. If you seriously think that you need to quit this game right now and join up w/ the member list that Meeze listed for the Special olympics on BG. I'm going to tell you right now Lavi that 2 INT is not going to make or break a BLM.

Meeze ranted about gimps because he hated mediocrity(Lavi reminding you that this was said SEVERAL TIMES through the thread). He did not rip down on everyone, if this is the case he would have ripped on me; because I am a Tarupld. He didn't rip on people that didn't suck at their jobs. Hate to join Rappa and Jamal's side, but i BET he didn't rip on them much or at all either. There was a reason he would say "You suck" or "Get better" or "Delete your DVD Key now", think about it.

I didn't say what Meeze did was right at all, nor do i condone it, however i understand where he is coming from.

 

[jyakotsu]

Yes and no. I would probably taken my stuff back or at least something(s) of equal value to which had been taken from me; however, I would not act like a juvenal delinquent and delete someone else's character. I wouldn't try to steal LS property just so I could resell it. Notice he tried to get a Novio Earring for a character that wasn't his own? I'm sure you can guess what he planned on doing with it and why he wanted it.

Do you personally think he is so innocent? Or even righteous? Obviously Meeze doesn't even think so. I mean what further proof do I need other than look at his own actions. He did it and ran like a bitch with his tail between his legs to another server. That's not the actions of a righteous man, those are the actions of a thieving criminal. Here is a guy who has pissed off so many and garnered so much mistrust, no end game shell would ever accept him on this server. And I am to show him some sympathy or even think he was justified in doing so? How about why it took over a year for him to finally steal her stuff and delete the character?

.... meant to quote and read this, how i got to the other one and quoted it... not even going to keep continue explaining.

Please read why and how and when Meeze got partygirl's second account. He didn't want to stay on this server because i'll be honest ALOT of our progress on this server is lateral and not vertical. If you look at other servers and tell me how many of them have full Morrigans sets or Relic weapons. I mean M Body here is still a big thing, and so is Hauteclaire. It is not as uncommon to see these things on most any other server.

 

[Silenus]

Huh. I kinda liked it here for the lack of bots and loot whores.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, I suppose.

Oh, and Jyak, I hear Meeze moved to Hades (hint, hint)

 

[Trippyhippy]

Meeze is an asshole. The loss of partygirl was his fault, but not entirely. Whoever gave him the account info is more at fault than Meeze is if she really stole all his shit then gave him her account info. What did she think would happen?

I mean, is there anyone here who can honestly say they would give their account info to Meeze, especially if he thought you stole all his shit?

Besides, it's not like he tries to act like he's something he isn't. His assholery is right out front for everyone to see.

Naming the character "Owned" was a nice touch, I enjoyed that part.

 

[hellstorm]

An eye for an eye is something you're familiar with, no?

It's basically the same thing, in a roundabout way.

Eye for an Eye: Same Punishment as the Offense.

Do unto Others: If you commit an offense against someone, expect an identical retaliation.

It's just sounds less violent.

Good saying however I think "A eye for a eye make the world go blind" is a better saying.

Meeze never hid the fact that he is an asshole. He knows how to play his jobs and he plays them well. If you don't know how to play yours he will let you know. He is brutally honest and doesn't waste time letting you know that, if you fuck up. He is also very generous and more than willing to help people out for no personal gain of his own. Kinda sucks that he deleted a character, but as far as the strip mining goes....Partygirl deserved it.

So because he amits he was a ass hole it ok? That like saying because jeffrey dahmer amits that he a killer then everything ok. Or in a lighter degree Johnny amits he stole from Mr. Rogers coin collection, so I guess that make it ok. Partygirl may or may not have deserved it, and even if she did the minute he benifited from it, it bacame wrong.

QFT - Im reading this thread, and im noticing that every single one of his critics, never have anything of value to say... just fucking trolls who live to argue and can't stand the competition of someone who is better at arguing than them. Seriously, it reminds me of how everyone in the game with Mentor status is always someone I would never ask for game advice. He hurt your pride and attacked your confidence when you never really could justify either, thats why you hate him.

Meeze is an asshole, and extremely vindictive... hes one of those guys that if hes on your team hes awesome, but if hes not, hes your biggest pain in the ass. The only exception to that rule is when your team has bullshit rules or leads, then he'll move to use his points, get what he can for his time, and leave, and this time is no exception.... Meeze wants a hope torque but doesnt have the points, then when he does have the points the item goes to someone with a better job???

Unless someone wants to combat that statement it seems that when it came to Meeze the rules were 1) Points when Meeze doesnt have them, 2) Job priority when he does.

I don't usually post in here, unless its something I can offer an unbiased opinion on, or something that directly effects me, this is a rare exception. In the 2 or so years that i've known meeze, hes been more helpful than almost anyone else I know, whether it be finding me buyers for my gear, or helping me camp sirocco when he needed one also...

My only regret is that I never had the time to repay all the favors he did for me and I guess I never will.

Only a leader can tell you why this was. They are the ones that make the rules and guidelines. Any way you slice it does not give me to screw a ls member becasue the shell did not give him a item. Hey I enjoyed meeze brut honesty about a subject as any other cat, however there are still lines that should not have been cross and he crossed one.

Yes and no. I would probably taken my stuff back or at least something(s) of equal value to which had been taken from me; however, I would not act like a juvenal delinquent and delete someone else's character. I wouldn't try to steal LS property just so I could resell it. Notice he tried to get a Novio Earring for a character that wasn't his own? I'm sure you can guess what he planned on doing with it and why he wanted it.

Do you personally think he is so innocent? Or even righteous? Obviously Meeze doesn't even think so. I mean what further proof do I need other than look at his own actions. He did it and ran like a bitch with his tail between his legs to another server. That's not the actions of a righteous man, those are the actions of a thieving criminal. Here is a guy who has pissed off so many and garnered so much mistrust, no end game shell would ever accept him on this server. And I am to show him some sympathy or even think he was justified in doing so? How about why it took over a year for him to finally steal her stuff and delete the character?

Nicely said.

Meeze is an asshole. The loss of partygirl was his fault, but not entirely. Whoever gave him the account info is more at fault than Meeze is if she really stole all his shit then gave him her account info. What did she think would happen?

I mean, is there anyone here who can honestly say they would give their account info to Meeze, especially if he thought you stole all his shit?

Besides, it's not like he tries to act like he's something he isn't. His assholery is right out front for everyone to see.

Naming the character "Owned" was a nice touch, I enjoyed that part.

This one has me puzzled as well, why give your account to someone who you stole from. Make you wonder if she did or if it is the same person behind the controller.

 

[Marajade]

So because he amits he was a ass hole it ok?

No, because Partygirl was a massive idiot it makes it ok. You don't give your account info to anyone, ESPECIALY PEOPLE YOU'VE RIPPED OFF.

 

[Lavi]

You are calling who gimp?

I loled, like hard. You seriously are rating a persons gimpness by NQ rings? I'll tell you right now that a NQ vs HQ rings do not make a player. If you seriously think that you need to quit this game right now and join up w/ the member list that Meeze listed for the Special olympics on BG. I'm going to tell you right now Lavi that 2 INT is not going to make or break a BLM.

Meeze ranted about gimps because he hated mediocrity(Lavi reminding you that this was said SEVERAL TIMES through the thread). He did not rip down on everyone, if this is the case he would have ripped on me; because I am a Tarupld. He didn't rip on people that didn't suck at their jobs. Hate to join Rappa and Jamal's side, but i BET he didn't rip on them much or at all either. There was a reason he would say "You suck" or "Get better" or "Delete your DVD Key now", think about it.

I didn't say what Meeze did was right at all, nor do i condone it, however i understand where he is coming from.

You really need to shut the fuck up. I mean seriously, are you that fucking dumb to have misunderstood me twice in this thread already? I didn't call anyone except that POS thief gimp. Meeze said in prior topics that NQ rings are gimp and that everyone in his LS has HQ/Elemental rings. Guess which LS members I saw sporting around NQ rings? So no, if you want to bitch and moan about what's gimp, go tell it to Meeze, dumbass.

If you search through general discussion, there are a few threads in which the debate turns into a "PCC is a mandatory item or you're gimp" per one of Jamal's many pointless off-topic rants. Meeze defended it and said anyone without a PCC is gimp. Guess who didn't even own a PCC? I'll spell it out for your slow ass: M-E-E-Z-E. Blatant utter hypocrisy.

And for all his fanboys: I remember two years ago when all the same faces were supporting their buddy Vang. How's Vang doing now? One of the least respected, most hated, hypocritical bot loving NA POS on the server. Meeze isn't that bad, but he isn't traveling down a different road or far off either, now is he?

 

[Neisan]

Someone who reads would know A: Meez had a PCC; B: Meeze lost PCC due to PG; C: Meeze called himself a gimp for not having a PCC; D: Meeze got another PCC.

 

[Neisan]

Found it.

When my THF hits 50 I'll probably work towards one. Been a pain since I came back with 0 gil, been grinding it out, but my NIN is pimped, my WHM just needs hedgehog, then I might go after one. Still want bb, kote, level 37 kayhan, soborro, and other random crap for my jobs.

But I figure that THF wont have as much acc cause I'm going after a haste build at 50, so a PCC should help out tons with that...and dagger merits.

 

[motley]

I think theres a huge difference in opinion as to what constitutes an "asshole"....

I have a friend bryan, he can be a real asshole, but hed take a bullet for me.... but hes still an asshole.

I tell a joke that pokes fun at someone, that guy laughs but mid-laugh he calls me an asshole....

Meeze, makes fun of a WHM wearing fishermans hose and eating boiled crab, we all laugh and say "meeze you asshole"

I believe that the word "asshole" means more to some people than others....

just a thought, carry on.

 

[Lavi]

He didn't have enough sea pop sets to buy his way into Integral?

I guess he wasn't willing to have gear botted up for him in Perserverance either... Oh, right, they don't bot while Reya is in the shell tho...

But hey, I guess losing sea pops is kind of karma. I lose all the work I put into earning a braiult, you lose sea pops. :spiteful:

 

[Neisan]

I find it funny you still can't come up with a way to counter what I've said.

 

[Zethren]

.... meant to quote and read this, how i got to the other one and quoted it... not even going to keep continue explaining.

Please read why and how and when Meeze got partygirl's second account. He didn't want to stay on this server because i'll be honest ALOT of our progress on this server is lateral and not vertical. If you look at other servers and tell me how many of them have full Morrigans sets or Relic weapons. I mean M Body here is still a big thing, and so is Hauteclaire. It is not as uncommon to see these things on most any other server.

Yeah, Nidhogg and other HNMs pop twice as much on other servers. :roll:

 

[Neisan]

Well, we're technically a pretty split server, so I imagine there's alot more floating around than one would think.