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[kicamo]

Kic/Phil, if Nolo as a leader told me that I was going to be kicked from the shell, I would have dropped my pearl too. Anyne would have if they were told by a leader (and not just any another member of the shell) that they were no longer part of the group. Everyone wants a little inv+1 so what is the point in carrying something as redundant as a LS you were told you couldn't use anymore?

from what nolo told me he said she would most likely be kicked but the leaders were gonna have a meeting after the run. now someone is lieing then. if he did in fact say that then she should have waited.

as far as jes... wtf are you talkin about the cute gal image? i have never portrayed myself as a female charc. this isnt a sock puppet.. i didnt know about the rule that you had to have your ingame name somewhere if it wasnt the same as your forum because i have had this account for 5 yrs almost.

im done with this thread...its not doing any good at this point to bother arguing about whos wrong and whos right. the situation is what it is and it was dealt with. but always remember there are 2 sides too every story.

 

[Keryan]

EPIC RESPONSE

Actually I had spoken to not one but TWO leaders. Moon and Nolo. After being told by Nolo that with out a doubt I will be kicked, why should I keep the pearl? Mind you this was said by a leader without any council meeting. Hell I did not even toss the pearl then, I tossed it later. So way to go Phil, post something you have no idea about. I was told by both Moon and Nolo that there would be a meeting. In LS I was told to give them until Monday. To look on the cite for a post and that a leader will meet with me. Now after a whole week passed, NOTHIING had been posted on the LS and no leader spoke to me. Both Moon and Nolo are rather cool people.

I TRIED to keep it in the LS, but leaders tried to cover it up. My post was REMOVED. You can only blame yourself for this coming to QCDN. I even went to the effort to not post this in the flameboard. I was being very fair about the whole thing. I even STATED overall it is a good shell. I have had a great laugh about it all though. After seeing many players leaving getting stuffed into a locked closet I swore that I would not have that done again. The Linkshell has every right to know why a member leaves. After all how do we better a linkshell if we never know whats wrong.

So because I was told by a leader in words that can not be mistaken as being kicked that I was somehow wrong to toss a pearl to an LS I was informed I am no longer part of? Kets asked in ls "did any memeber of KP/KA say this <whitey>". Poring then said he saw it on a different shell as his mule. His mule had KP's shell on, and he said in /t to me that he KNEW which LS memeber said it but would not say who. He was very insistant it was not he. Just a few days ago he starts up again with who are you? Are you someones alt? So Poring lied to the leaders, and the leaders accepted it. All he said was it was not me. The leaders brushed it off, even later they did as well. So yes the LSleaders just brushed it off and ignored it. As for a warning you are disrupting a god run really is not a warning. That would be more a staement. A warning would be more like this "You <insert names> are breaking this LSrule, if you continue then <insert discipline.> Which is what the LS did back when Claus and Jeska had issues. This was not done in that run. Did any leader tell Poring he was breaking LSrules by using that term? No.
Yes I did say "tell me whose charater it was" because I was infact going to blacklist them even though it would in the long run "disrupt" the flow of runs. Maybe add in a few /slaps to appease the woman in me. Mind you I asked during a 15 min repop window. 15 minutes should be enough time to find out who it was. I have had other skymemebers blacklisted, and it did cause issues in the runs when I was required as party leader to invite them. I offered up a list of mules and no one came forward to said it was them.
Now lets give a small KA history lesson. If I remember right, I was in KA before Phil. Two years + and a flurry of players coming and leaving the shell makes it a little hard to be 100% sure on dates. KA selects leaders on a volunteer basis. They do not give them any training. I had to tell Nolo WHY people were mad he was a leader. He had known NOTHING about how to travel in sky. After I spoke to Nolo, he went and spent a few weeks of winter recess to learn sky. Furrie and Zer became leaders, in a few weeks Zer LEFT the sky shell due to being mad about Kirin and how people were at it. We'd stand about 1 hour in Kirins room WAITING for people to come. And people would be screwing about during Kirin. Furrie came for some months, then just stopped. No reason was given to the shell. I found out later he was on indefinte leave because he wanted a RL.

So they get Nolo and Phil who offered to take up leader roles. Phil goes on a RL break not long after being made a leader. Seriously how the hell is that being a leader. Now we hae a few other leaders who rareley come to sky. One has work which I can understand. Moon has conflicting schedules, which I can also understand. Then we have one sorry I can not remember how to spell their name, who vanished after getting their gear, then only came back AFTER the shell opted to start allowing shining cloths to be bid on. What great leadership. Of all the leaders only Kets and Nolo have been full time leaders. Now seeing how most of the leaders have no time to be real leaders, why should I have any faith that you part time leaders will do anything. I was told by one of the two leaders who actually perform as leaders that I was kicked. Then here you say he is not a leader, I am now a little confused. BTW I am not mad at Nolo, I told him I understand he did not mean to type what he did. That was the leaderships mistake, not a players. The reason cited to me for being kicked was the results of a leadership error. No amount of finger pointing and bitching on your part will change that. A SMART leader would have said we are sorry this happened and are taking steps to insure it will not happen again. No, you break your own LS posts to post here. Now I have children yes, and I can understand even leaders taking care of childs first. Phil missed a bunch of recent runs due to his son playing baseball. I also feel that if you do not have the time to dedicate to being a leader, then you should not be a leader. This is why I never volunteered to be one. Well also being pregnant at the last round of playing who will be leader made it a little hard to be one. Unlike Apriaz who was playing dynamis while in active labor....I am not quite that dedicated. Now please answer why it is someone who has caused Drama multiple times resulting in members leaving is still in the shell.

 

[Blazeoffury]

I have refrained from posting in this thread because I respected the leaders' desire to respond but now I feel since one of them did, some things should be said.

I was there the night this all went down, and since someone brought up "unprofessional" behavior, let me shed some light. "Unprofessional" behavior (or confrontational, irrational, unreasonable, choose your adjective) began with throwing a fit in linkshell chat about an event which was between two members and largely had nothing to do with the rest of the sky shell in the middle of a gods run. "Unprofessional" can be used to describe continuing to pursue that discussion in LS when asked to stop while leaders are trying to coordinate drop bids and parties.

There's a time and a place for everything, and when you have a problem with another member in the LS or with something that's happened, you don't disrupt the whole linkshell with your personal drama. You go to a leader and let them know there's a problem (by PM on those LS boards that keep being posted or by /tell) and you wait for a more appropriate time to discuss it. When you know leaders have different opinions on how to handle things, but you know they decide by consensus, you don't fly off the handle when one expresses his opinion of what the outcome will be.

I don't think the leaders should be faulted for trying to keep the focus on the run as it should have been in the first place, and for trying to keep bs drama out of linkshell chat. This whole thing could have been avoided by stopping with the overblown, over-melodramatic blow-ups and approaching the situation with a little bit of rationalism and self-control. Poring was wrong to call anyone whitey or anything else remotely racially offensive. But maybe you should have kept it out of ls chat and asked a leader specifically what the outcome would be before dropping your pearl and announcing your departure. That was *your* choice, not theirs and frankly, probably factored into their decision to make that departure permanent.

There is a difference in a leader and a member being "professional" and "unprofessional." While in a perfect world everyone would be professional about everything they do, but this is not a perfect world nor anywhere close for that matter.

Yes the way yall say Kery was acting is the wrong way to go about any situation, but so was the way yall acted according to Kery. I'm not taking either side of this argument, it's all a bunch of he said she said bullshit.

A leader, especially a representive leader for a linkshell will be expected to act in a professional manner, a member not so much. Why a member's action was even brought up as "unprofessional" is beyond me, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything that has been brought up in this thread at all.

I will stand by my stance that a leader who was sent by the linkshell to represent them on a forum board should always act in a professional manner, which includes following all of the rules of said board, and refraining from doing anything at all that would reflect poorly on the said ls.

 

[Keryan]

from what nolo told me he said she would most likely be kicked but the leaders were gonna have a meeting after the run. now someone is lieing then. if he did in fact say that then she should have waited.

Nolo said Without a doubt you will be kicked. Once again that leaves no room for anything. Saying after words there will be an invesitgation is trying to band aid a fuck up. You can not say Without a doubt because it states a decision is already made but oh we will have an investigation just to be fair. Aazing once I said on LS I was kicked you leaders go on oh no he can not do that, and omg she must have misunderstood. Thewre was NO WAY anyone could misunderstand what was said. There was no might nor maybe.

{i didnt know about the rule that you had to have your ingame name somewhere if it wasnt the same as your forum because i have had this account for 5 yrs almost.}

So you could not be bothered with reading the forum rules before posting? I could have sworn there was a few flames where this issue was brought up.

{im done with this thread...its not doing any good at this point to bother arguing about whos wrong and whos right. the situation is what it is and it was dealt with. but always remember there are 2 sides too every story.}

The facts still stand The reason for kicking me was based on a LEADERS error. You broke your OWN LS rules by keeping Poring as well. He used slurs that even in the LS rules state will not be tolerated. Being a leader means you have to admit when you are wrong. Yes I was extreme when I demanded to know who in the shell was calling me whitey. The term is against the rules, and the shell has a history of part time leaders. The Member out right lied to the leaders, and the leaders expect any member to trust that they can do any investigation? You actually only hurt the LS by posting like you did. Any one who knows me and has done any sort of event KNOWS the truth as they read this.

All I want out of all of this is for the shell to become better. Learn from your fuck ups and stop pandering to people just because they are in your social. Also I have never been in KP, and never wanted to be in KP. Besides if I REALLY wanted to do a flame on KA, I could. There is so much I have seen. The only reason I have not made a real flame on them is because the 90% of the players are good people. Any LS is only as good as it's members.
Also I should be clear I did tell Nolo in /t that because of the 0 drama policy BOTH Poring and I should be kicked. I even went to the trouble to find someone who could hold the seals I have after being told with out a doubt I would be kicked. Nolo has not been given the respect he deserves as a leader. Sit through a few runs and you would see it. I told him if they do not kick me and poring that it would seem like favortism. How can you expect other LSmates to obey the rules if the leaders will not. After all we BOTH broke the rules.
It is more the fact I was told not to leave and to wait for monday. That there would be a post on the LS and I would hear from a leader that monday and NONE of that happened. Leaders told me not to go, LEADERS told me to wait, and the LEADERS did not follow through. The LEADERS kept a member who has broken the no harassing, no racial name use MULTIPLE times. There are infact two sides to every story, but what good is the 2nd half when the member won't be truthful with what he said. In the end by following LS rules BOTH Poring and I should have been removed. Which was not done. But the fact I was kicked over saying goodbye after being told I am being kicked negates everything else that was done and said. The reason for kicking was based on a leader not thinking before he types. Thus the player being kicked is infact being kicked for a leaders error.

 

[Keryan]

I have refrained from posting in this thread because I respected the leaders' desire to respond but now I feel since one of them did, some things should be said.

I was there the night this all went down, and since someone brought up "unprofessional" behavior, let me shed some light. "Unprofessional" behavior (or confrontational, irrational, unreasonable, choose your adjective) began with throwing a fit in linkshell chat about an event which was between two members and largely had nothing to do with the rest of the sky shell in the middle of a gods run. "Unprofessional" can be used to describe continuing to pursue that discussion in LS when asked to stop while leaders are trying to coordinate drop bids and parties.
There's a time and a place for everything, and when you have a problem with another member in the LS or with something that's happened, you don't disrupt the whole linkshell with your personal drama. You go to a leader and let them know there's a problem (by PM on those LS boards that keep being posted or by /tell) and you wait for a more appropriate time to discuss it. When you know leaders have different opinions on how to handle things, but you know they decide by consensus, you don't fly off the handle when one expresses his opinion of what the outcome will be.

I don't think the leaders should be faulted for trying to keep the focus on the run as it should have been in the first place, and for trying to keep bs drama out of linkshell chat. This whole thing could have been avoided by stopping with the overblown, over-melodramatic blow-ups and approaching the situation with a little bit of rationalism and self-control. Poring was wrong to call anyone whitey or anything else remotely racially offensive. But maybe you should have kept it out of ls chat and asked a leader specifically what the outcome would be before dropping your pearl and announcing your departure. That was *your* choice, not theirs and frankly, probably factored into their decision to make that departure permanent.

I did ask two leaders what would happen. I did stop after I was asked, and oh btw what happens between LSmembers EFFECTS the LS. Poring claimed ONE OF YOU was the person. HE made it involve the LS by lying. How do you investigate that a member is lying and blaming the LS in /t when they won't admit it? Not everyone uses windower to Screen shot things. It was asked during the 15 minute cool down time on god ??? repop. Bids had already been done on the pop prior <bids carry over if it is the same god being popped. I annouced leaving AFTER I was informed by a leader that the outcome would be that WITHOUT any investigation done. So lets recap....Poring used words not tolerated in LS, he blames the someone else in the LS without naming names. I demand who has said mules who called me Whitey because it was brought INTO sky by Poring. People spend almost 10 minutes lol at blamenuma mule name. Poring lies to Kets about what he said and how he saw it <great investigation>. Never crossed your mind I was being so harsh BECAUSE it was brought into the sky shell by Poring? That and the fact he blamed people in the LS is what had me so pissed. I did inquire of Leaders and got told BEFORE any investigation was done WITHOUT a doubt I would be kicked. No room for staying correct? No room for any investigation to be fair since the desicion was already made. I say Good bye and tell the shell why BECAUSE the shell has a history of hiding why people leave or are kicked. And I get kicked for saying good bye. Seriously flawed logic there. "You were not going to be kicked for Poring vs Keryan, but you are being kicked for causing drama for saying good bye." Then tell me wait for monday, and tells the shell check the LSsite for a post about things. Then do none of what they said they would. XD they keep Poring and will only say it has been dealt with. Same thing happened when Sil left. "Poring was dealt with" The facts speak for themselves.
Sorry for all the long posts, but QCDN was broken yesterday so I am late to respond.

 

[Keryan]

Actually the thread is just repeating the same theme, feel free to lock the thread anytime. Remember over all 90% of KA are good people, just be aware there is a player who gets his kicks out of harassing people, and that the shell will not deal with him.

 

[Zyndara]

Why a member's action was even brought up as "unprofessional" is beyond me, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything that has been brought up in this thread at all.

I will stand by my stance that a leader who was sent by the linkshell to represent them on a forum board should always act in a professional manner, which includes following all of the rules of said board, and refraining from doing anything at all that would reflect poorly on the said ls.

It's being brought up because it does matter. Being a member of a shell does not exempt you from acting with a little bit of respect and dignity, especially in the face of adversity. It is not only the leader's responsibility to act with tact and with other shell members in mind.

I don't know Keryan very well. Could be the nicest person in the world having a bad day. I'm simply pointing out that you present yourself in a certain manner, you need to expect to receive a certain reaction. Even the most level-headed and strongest of leaders can respond out of sorts when approached in the way this whole thing was. It was made a very public debacle from the very beginning, when it never should have been in the first place, and yet here it is... again public and unneccessarily so.

And Kery... you used the forums to "say goodbye" but you couldn't use that place to address who said what rather than disrupt a gods run? This is the point I'm making. You have a valid gripe against someone calling you any names, racially based especially, but you have some fault in how you handled this as well. It DID NOT involve the LS. Period. It involved you and "Poring's bullshit" which if you were so disgusted with it and used to antics of the sort, why did you put so much stock in what he said? I'm sorry but your logic is as flawed as you say mine is.

 

[alanon]

as far as jes... wtf are you talkin about the cute gal image? i have never portrayed myself as a female charc. this isnt a sock puppet.. i didnt know about the rule that you had to have your ingame name somewhere if it wasnt the same as your forum because i have had this account for 5 yrs almost.

Realistically speaking kic, you have broken no qcdn rules as your in-game name, as can be seen from the screen shots in your sig, is in fact "kicamo". I would bet that there are a good deal of qcdners that do not have all of their alt character names in their sig. It's not like "kicamo" is just a mule, it was your first character to 75, you did things like dynamus, sky, sea, etc on it.

As for portraying yourself as a female character, there are times that you made me wonder.......

 

[Jaide]

I was the person who brought up the unprofessional reference. I was referring to Phil's posts in this thread. I had expected a professional and well thought out response from the KA leadership. Especially after the post regarding this thread was made on the KA forum. Instead of a professional response Phil gave a severely flaming response that was uncalled for.

Now, that being clarified...if you want someone to blame for this thread being created...blame me. I am the person who told Kery that she should post on QCDN because I felt that the post on KA forums would be deleted.

 

[Keryan]

I found out IN the run when poring blamed the some one else for saying it. As he did it IN the sky shell to the sky shell, that is where it belonged.

 

[Keryan]

Now, that being clarified...if you want someone to blame for this thread being created...blame me. I am the person who told Kery that she should post on QCDN because I felt that the post on KA forums would be deleted.

Which you were right about.

 

[Hexx]

You know, up until this flame started, I had yet to hear anything bad about KA/KP, and in fact was considering joining their sky shell as well. Seeing how issues are handled, and the fact that its happened multiple times, really turns me away from that notion. I mean, seriously, you have a member being openly racist, lies about it cuz hes too chicken shit to admit it, gets found out, and yet, the offended person gets kicked and not the offender? Thats like the rape victim getting prosecuted for infidelity and the rapist getting off scott free.

Somethings really wrong with that picture.

 

[Mirewen]

Even though she left the shell, the person who initiated the drama (apparently Poring) should be kicked. I mean, if your policy really is "drama free". It looks like it's "oh well, the person with the complaint left, carry on".

If Keryan is being told that she acted hastily based on what 1 leader said, that leader should also be talked to about the fact that he openly told her she would be kicked, that is also causing drama.

In the end, that LS lost what sounds like a good player with a lot of useful classes.

Their loss.

 

[Jeska]

Kicamo aka Philmacraken updated his information and you can see that his "Character Name" is Philmacraken on the left hand side of his post. He keeps his Kicamo sig because it has special sentimental value to the both of us.

He updated it after I posted, Kiere I honestly didnt know who this Kicamo was so i asked and got a rather short response, a little helpful information can go a long way to avoiding problems.

And the female banner made me and perhaps others think that this was a female posting, lol someone even told Kic to not get her knickers in a twist.

I doubt Poring will get kicked since the person he agrevated is now gone from the sky shell so if nobody else had a problem with him things will go on there.

Those sky rules btw Jaide are very easy to fit any and all situations a determined leader may chose to fit them in. I have been in sky shells that have less rules than those and morale is very good there, having people too afraid to cough incase they break a commandment there is really only going to create a tense enviroment, not a fun one.

 

[Mirewen]

It looks like it's "oh well, the person with the complaint left, carry on".

I doubt Poring will get kicked since the person he agrevated is now gone from the sky shell so if nobody else had a problem with him things will go on there.

That was my point.

 

[Lyall]

People had been saying that Keryan was acting out of line by bringing it up in the middle of god pops. If she was doing it during the fifteen minutes cool-down then there shouldn't have been a problem.

My beef is with the nature of the commotion. She got a tell with a racially-laden remark that she found offensive and went public with it. I for one believe she was reacting like any other person who got hit with a racial slur should.

Drop an N-bomb on someone and tell them to chill and not bitch because "We're doing Sky." That's bullshit, whether the remark is a "serious" insult or not, bringing someone's race into account is one of the sleaziest things someone can do, and doing it as a mistell and not fessing up (or doing it to troll) is a pretty scum thing to do. Keryan was fine in blowing up, because I'd honestly do the same.

One thing to call someone on their merits or skills as a player, but race/religion/what-have-you are off-limits as far as ammo should go. Especially in a random mt that should have been apologized for right away, and profusely, because that shit is way out of line.

Also, Poring did this before and is still in the shell? That screams hypocrite from the top of Keitaro-whatever's rooftop. Everyone is equal, but some people are clearly more equal than others.

 

[Zyndara]

You are all seriously not understanding this here. It's being made to sound like Poring said in the middle of LS that night "Keyan is whitey!" and nobody did anything about it. He said nothing of the sort on LS that night... I was in the shell all night. This came up either from a private /tell mt between Poring and Kery or was something Kery only just got wind of from Poring. Poring even said later on that it was a conversation he was having in some other ls "that only mules are a part of" which is not KA, KP or any derivative of Keitaro. KA is getting shit on because of something stupid between Poring and Kery. And Poring stated he didn't say this inappropriate thing in KA during the 25 minute interruption in sky in ls chat. Not for anything, but the LS leaders in our shell can't really punish someone for actions he took in another shell. All that could have been determined in the forums without making this spectacle but a spectacle it is, and a damn good shell (and its leaders) is getting trashed for it.

So again... It didn't have anything to do with the sky shell. If Poring backtracked said something he later retracted, the issue is between Kery and Poring and always should have been.

 

[rampagesama]

And Poring stated he didn't say this inappropriate thing in KA during the 25 minute interruption in sky in ls chat. Not for anything, but the LS leaders in our shell can't really punish someone for actions he took in another shell.

And you believe them, because that stated they didn't say it, when this person is a past troublemaker?

 

[Keryan]

You are all seriously not understanding this here. It's being made to sound like Poring said in the middle of LS that night "Keyan is whitey!" and nobody did anything about it. He said nothing of the sort on LS that night... I was in the shell all night. This came up either from a private /tell mt between Poring and Kery or was something Kery only just got wind of from Poring. Poring even said later on that it was a conversation he was having in some other ls "that only mules are a part of" which is not KA, KP or any derivative of Keitaro. KA is getting shit on because of something stupid between Poring and Kery. And Poring stated he didn't say this inappropriate thing in KA during the 25 minute interruption in sky in ls chat. Not for anything, but the LS leaders in our shell can't really punish someone for actions he took in another shell. All that could have been determined in the forums without making this spectacle but a spectacle it is, and a damn good shell (and its leaders) is getting trashed for it.

So again... It didn't have anything to do with the sky shell. If Poring backtracked said something he later retracted, the issue is between Kery and Poring and always should have been.

I never said he said it in lschat. I said very clearly he did it in /tell. He did not mt. He in fact said someone else in the shell called me it and he was just repeating it. Then went on how it could be because my characters hair is white. So blaming some person in the LS is ok with you? He said he saw it on his mule TWO days prior. Funny how it was HIS mule with KP pearl on in windy woods who /t me whitey then too. When he was asked by the leaders he told them bullshit. So his mule calls me whitey and goes oops your not taxero? You are not his alt toon? Then continues to /t me on it as he changes to not one, but THREE Other mules. With in MINUTES of me arriving in sky he then /tell me again calling me whitey. I ask who said it. He said he saw in as an mt on his LS. Please note not on a mule. I ask who was it, he said he knows who in the LS, but will not say who. Seriously how many people know that Taxero, Numa and I are in the same sky shell. As he plays with all three of us at the same time in sky you can see he KNEW I was not some alt toon. As his toon had KP pearl on and called me whitey, where else could he have heard this from? Break down the facts. Poring was placing the blame on all of you. One of YOU mted it, it was not him..... When he got called on it, he changed what he said. All you saw was his excuses. Oh it was not in KP or KA. BUT his mule who said it... oh yes had KP pearl on. When an LSmember places the blame for his actions on vauge other members of the shell, it makes it shell bussiness.
As for the leaders who you say are being trashed:
*They did not follow their own rules.
*They did not follow through with what they said they would do.
*They based removal on what on leader claims was a misunderstanding on HOW he typed.
* They removed my post on KA before anyone could respond to it
I did not hold a gun to them and force them to do any of these things. I did not hack into their accounts to type it for them. Sorry I only know how to play games on teh computer. All I did was bring it up here. Hey do you even know who they main sky leaders are? I have said before the shell is good. 90% of it is made up of good people. Said that a few times now. I even tried to leave it in KA on the forums. You want to claim the leadership is great, yet you also admit to being new. You say I should have put it on the forum about Poring and have them investigate? Yet when I did post they removed it.
As you can see, they made bad choices. Good news! They are human, something about that allows for bad choices. Yet there is a difference between making a string bad choices and then trying to hide it. Think about it! If they had nothing to hide because what they did was by the rules, then they would not hae had to move it. Their actions would have stood for themselves. If they had not moved my post to some locked vault or trash can, I would not have posted here on QCDN. They themselves made them look bad. I even posted the smart thing to do would be to just not respond. They did and look at the responses.
Maybe you should ask some of the other players who left/kicked KA about things that have happened there. Shit READ the first post! THIS WAS NOT MADE TO BE A FLAME! Check some of my last few posts... I WANT THE LS TO LEARN AND BE BETTER. I said before 90% OF THE SHELL ARE GOOD PEOPLE! Why would I say that if it was a flame? Sure a good number of people who were made leaders ditched their responsiblity. Hey you would know about that if you had been there a few years. There are to my experience TWO leaders who are the BACKBONE of that shell. Kets and Nolo. Without them you would not have a skyshell. For the last few months Nolo was running the whole show. Phil only recently has started to pick up the role, yet he has been a leader just as long as Nolo. It only took Nolo wanting to step down as leader for this to happen. Now I do want to know who you think the real LSleaders are. It will actually show just how informed you are. This was not supposed to be a flame of all the bad things KA has done. It was simply supposed to allow the members to see what was being hidden from them.

 

[Raesylil]

Alright then.
Keryan, first of all, I offer my apologies as to how your situation was handled.
I was not there at the time but I have conducted my own investigation into the matter. I know you and I have not spoken about it, but quite frankly, I didn't think it was necessary since I found your post in the sky section.
I found it to be very angry and before it exploded into a full fledged flame, I had it moved so I guess it appeared that it was deleted.
For that I will not apologize, since I thought it was for the best at the time.

I had wanted to get the big picture of what had happened before any response was made.

The incident started with Keryan demanding in the ls to know who had called her "whitey."
Some confusion went on, some people actually thought it was a joke. She had made her first ultimatum saying she was going to drop her pearl in 5 seconds if no one fessed up. She actually started to do the count down.
From there, there was the whole confusion of whose mule it was. No answer came up it seems.
This soon after ensued an argument between Poring and Keryan, which both were told to calm down or there was going to be some pearl breaking involved.

Now I know you guys may not agree with how we run the shell, but if it originated outside of the shell, the stance is that it is not in the sky leadership's jurisdiction but rather the GMs.
After all thats one of the reasons as to why they are there, is it not?

You can argue that he should be kicked as well but in the end, it was a he-said-she-said.
We couldn't determine what or how it was started much less the context it was used initially. Keryan never mentioned it.

I understand that it became an issue within the ls because Keryan brought it in.
Keryan, you know well enough that if you had a problem all you had to do was send a /tell to a leader. After all, you were there for 2 years, and I do appreciate your long stay in it but you knew the rules.
Why didn't you do just that?
You did not have to make an explosion in the ls and delay the run primarily for about half an hour. Due to that, some other members actually asked it to be taken to /tells or settled later.

Now this is where it gets rather interesting.
From what I understand, Keryan had been speaking to one of the leaders during the run while it went on as planned. Somewhere in the conversation, the leader realized he worded something wrong and then added a clarification to it.
This is where she jumped the gun again.
Few seconds later, Keryan decided to say her goodbyes in the ls, saying how she was kicked already and what not.
She had made another ultimatum saying by Wednesday she will decide whether to stay in the ls or not.

Again, this delays the run and all the while, causing commotion in the ls again.
So this makes it twice that she acted out.

By this time, other members just about had it with the situation. This took another 30min to try to get the shell in order again. If you do the math, thats just about an hour of wasted time that could have been used efficiently.
Yes, one member did say to Keryan to drop it for now and that maybe the leaders will contact her about it on Monday.
Unfortunately, due to the confusion, that was lost in the logs without leadership's consent and it seems the leaders missed it. I was able to obtain some log of it later.
I can understand why the member would try to appease Keryan and get on with the run.
He was there to do sky, not participate in a drama fest.

Keryan do you remember who actually said someone will get back to you by Monday?
If you do not, then you have accused the leadership of something they did not say.
I did find out as to who did, but would you tell me?

It was decided in the leadership meeting held after the run that Keryan would be kicked due to the drama that she caused twice in the ls. Poring was an iffy one since, ultimately, this was a he-said-she-said argument. I am not a GM, I cannot pull up their logs. Neither are any of the other leaders as far as I know.
We couldn't kick someone based off of something that we cannot prove or have proof of.
After the both of them were warned, he was actually quiet during the run which resulted in the agreement that he would get a warning. If he messes up again, he would be kicked.

Emotions ran wild that night for both sides, and for that I will also offer my apologies.
However, I do not appreciate the smearing of the shell.

To those that actually think that there is some shady business going around, well, I do not have anything to say to that in actuality. We panicked, plain and simple. We are all human, one cannot expect the leaders to be perfect.
We made some bad judgement calls in the past, but we try to work together to get past that.

To those that are friends to Keryan, I respect your opinions.
However, if you were not there, you have no piece in the matter. You can say how Keryan is a great player, and all the fan fare you'd like but what you say does not change anything. I do agree she is a good player, and she did stick around for 2 years with us. For that, she does have my gratitude.
You can slander the leaders all you want but that does not change the fact that people who were not in the social didn't volunteer themselves for that position when one of the past leaders decided to step down.

Keryan you may not have been a leader and I'm sure you were asked to become one by some of your peers.
I understand your family came first, I respect that entirely. However, I also know that you didn't step up. You did speak up against leadership on some things we did. We have addressed those issues, and even though we may not have seen eye to eye, I do know that you did speak up for things you felt that were not right.

I wish you good luck on your future endeavors.
I'm sorry things did not work out as well as you may have hoped. Take care.