I am a free agent!

I didn't really want to respond to this, but I decided I wanted to put my opinion out there even if I have nothing to do with it.

Raesylil said:
Now I know you guys may not agree with how we run the shell, but if it originated outside of the shell, the stance is that it is not in the sky leadership's jurisdiction but rather the GMs.
After all thats one of the reasons as to why they are there, is it not?
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It seems like it originated outside of LS, but was brought in by Poring, not Keryan. If Poring called her whitey again during a sky run then blame it on someone else in the linkshell without giving a name for her to take it to instead of bring it up in linkshell, then it becomes linkshell business. Yes, bring it to a leader "may" of been better, however it probably wouldn't of resolved much and in the end she still would not know who said it.

Yes, I do feel Keryan overreacted or "jumped the gun" by saying she was going to drop her pearl in 5 seconds. I also know that she can overreact and jump the gun as she's done it before because of someone in my linkshell before. But since she knew who said what, it didn't become a whole linkshell problem and I knew who directly to speak to about the situation. However, I do feel it should of still been brought to the linkshell's attention (in your linkshell's case.) Even if a leader asked who said it in shell, there still probably wouldn't be someone stepping up to it.

Raesylil said:
Now this is where it gets rather interesting.
From what I understand, Keryan had been speaking to one of the leaders during the run while it went on as planned. Somewhere in the conversation, the leader realized he worded something wrong and then added a clarification to it.
This is where she jumped the gun again.
Few seconds later, Keryan decided to say her goodbyes in the ls, saying how she was kicked already and what not.
She had made another ultimatum saying by Wednesday she will decide whether to stay in the ls or not.
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Now this is what I really didn't understand. I don't feel any leader should even open their mouth to anyone about someone getting kicked until the decision is final. There shouldn't of been "wording something wrong" in the first place because they shouldn't of said she's being kicked without knowing if it was final or not. Giving a warning like "If you keep this up, we'll have to kick you" or "Stop causing drama because it's against the rules" would of been fine. But even saying that her possible kick from shell was in discussion before knowing if you were going to do it or not shouldn't of happened.

Raesylil said:
After the both of them were warned, he was actually quiet during the run which resulted in the agreement that he would get a warning. If he messes up again, he would be kicked.
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Obviously he was quiet. He knew that if there was more drama, he was going to be kicked. But if this is completely "drama-free," which I feel it isn't possible to have a linkshell completely drama-free 100% of the time, then he should of been kicked for starting Kery's drama in the first place. It never would of happened if he didn't call her whitey, correct?
 
Keryan said:
I never said he said it in lschat. I said very clearly he did it in /tell. He did not mt. He in fact said someone else in the shell called me it and he was just repeating it. Then went on how it could be because my characters hair is white. So blaming some person in the LS is ok with you? He said he saw it on his mule TWO days prior. Funny how it was HIS mule with KP pearl on in windy woods who /t me whitey then too. When he was asked by the leaders he told them bullshit. So his mule calls me whitey and goes oops your not taxero? You are not his alt toon? Then continues to /t me on it as he changes to not one, but THREE Other mules. With in MINUTES of me arriving in sky he then /tell me again calling me whitey. I ask who said it. He said he saw in as an mt on his LS. Please note not on a mule. I ask who was it, he said he knows who in the LS, but will not say who. Seriously how many people know that Taxero, Numa and I are in the same sky shell. As he plays with all three of us at the same time in sky you can see he KNEW I was not some alt toon. As his toon had KP pearl on and called me whitey, where else could he have heard this from? Break down the facts. Poring was placing the blame on all of you. One of YOU mted it, it was not him..... When he got called on it, he changed what he said. All you saw was his excuses. Oh it was not in KP or KA. BUT his mule who said it... oh yes had KP pearl on. When an LSmember places the blame for his actions on vauge other members of the shell, it makes it shell bussiness.
As for the leaders who you say are being trashed:
*They did not follow their own rules.
*They did not follow through with what they said they would do.
*They based removal on what on leader claims was a misunderstanding on HOW he typed.
* They removed my post on KA before anyone could respond to it
I did not hold a gun to them and force them to do any of these things. I did not hack into their accounts to type it for them. Sorry I only know how to play games on teh computer. All I did was bring it up here. Hey do you even know who they main sky leaders are? I have said before the shell is good. 90% of it is made up of good people. Said that a few times now. I even tried to leave it in KA on the forums. You want to claim the leadership is great, yet you also admit to being new. You say I should have put it on the forum about Poring and have them investigate? Yet when I did post they removed it.
As you can see, they made bad choices. Good news! They are human, something about that allows for bad choices. Yet there is a difference between making a string bad choices and then trying to hide it. Think about it! If they had nothing to hide because what they did was by the rules, then they would not hae had to move it. Their actions would have stood for themselves. If they had not moved my post to some locked vault or trash can, I would not have posted here on QCDN. They themselves made them look bad. I even posted the smart thing to do would be to just not respond. They did and look at the responses.
Maybe you should ask some of the other players who left/kicked KA about things that have happened there. Shit READ the first post! THIS WAS NOT MADE TO BE A FLAME! Check some of my last few posts... I WANT THE LS TO LEARN AND BE BETTER. I said before 90% OF THE SHELL ARE GOOD PEOPLE! Why would I say that if it was a flame? Sure a good number of people who were made leaders ditched their responsiblity. Hey you would know about that if you had been there a few years. There are to my experience TWO leaders who are the BACKBONE of that shell. Kets and Nolo. Without them you would not have a skyshell. For the last few months Nolo was running the whole show. Phil only recently has started to pick up the role, yet he has been a leader just as long as Nolo. It only took Nolo wanting to step down as leader for this to happen. Now I do want to know who you think the real LSleaders are. It will actually show just how informed you are. This was not supposed to be a flame of all the bad things KA has done. It was simply supposed to allow the members to see what was being hidden from them.
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Yeah I'm fairly new to KA. Not sure why you're suddenly coming at this like somehow that makes me ignorant. You don't need to be a veteran in a shell to see the debacle YOU caused with your dramatic garbage splayed all over LS for everyone to see. And no, I don't make it a point to keep a running list of all the leaders on a post-it note right in front of me, I guess I suck. But I know many of them: Kets, Nolo, Moon, Thana, Phil, Myrr to name a few I do remember and respect quite a bit. I don't claim it's a perfect shell. I don't claim the leaders are flawless. But I'm not a sky rookie even though I just started with this sky shell, and I've been around and seen enough to know that they know what they are doing, they are efficient and fair. If somewhere down the line they do something that makes me think otherwise, then I'll be happy to say so. But until then I'm speaking pure facts based on what I have seen. And I'm not referring to the broad past and history of the shell. I'm referring to what I witnessed... the shitstorm you brewed over something you could have dealt with more maturely, namely in private.

And no, it's very goddamned not ok that Poring supposedly blamed one of us in the shell for saying that crap. I know I am on KP a good portion of the time, and it sure as shit was not said there anytime that I've seen. And Poring flat out said it was said on an entirely different shell. Maybe that's full of crap, but it's sure an interesting possibility considering almost no one had any clue wtf you were screaming about and threatening to leave over in the middle of a run. If this had supposedly been blurted out in shell, you think it would have been ignored by the leaders? Please. They call us out for cursing in shell, I hardly think that would have been happily overlooked like you're making it sound.

Fact is your post probably got deleted because you were continuing in the same over-dramatic vein you began with that night. Had you posted something questioning what was said/who said it in the forums trying to resolve things rationally and in an appropriate time/place instead of flipping out, you would have likely had your answers or an investigation into the events and a much different outcome. But you threw a snotty little hissy fit in the middle of a sky run when 99% of everyone had no idea what you were blathering about. Was Poring wrong for his comments regardless of where they occurred? Absolutely. But you also handled things poorly and you don't want to accept that. You MADE it a flame when you posted this here. You can't say "Oh they're so unfair, they're so wrong, they hush everyone they disagree with" and then say, "oh but I'm not flaming anyone, the leaders are great, 99% of them are fantastic." They weren't "hiding" anything, just stopping the drama from going on any further. It went on too damn long as it was.

And on that note, I'm done with this thread. You're right it is going in circles, and frankly, it's all tiresome BS that shouldn't have even begun but then it's a bit late to think about that now. Though I didn't get a chance to know you I wish you well - good luck finding a new shell.
 
I told them all how it ALL started. Just as I have here. The second drama was just me saying good bye BECAUSE I was already told I am being kicked. Most of the drama happened when they asked me which leader told me. I was Told infact by Nolo that a leader WOULD get back to me monday, I also spoke to Moon about it. I told Kets and Nolo in /t how it started. So yes kicking for the 2nd drama that was caused by Nolo who claimed I misunderstood. He wrote "No Doubt you will be kicked, but we will to an investigation to be fair." Once again READ IT, there is no way one can claim I misunderstood the leader. Funny how none of the leaders could remember they were supposed to post or get back to me. "but tempers were high"
Does not excuse not doing the decent thing.

The leaders then put in the LINKCHAT there would be a post in the sky forum as well and to look for it that would be KETs. AFTER I said my goodbyes. Please do not leave... I was TOLD BY LEADERS to wait and not leave the shell. So yes saying I would wait til wednesday was rather reasonable of me I think. Hell I did not even ask a leader about it until a week went by. Since my 11 year old plays wednesday nights I think it was also reasonable that I should think as to if she should still play in a shell where someone is allowed to do what Poring did. Please also note that I had set it AFTER I was to be told the results of the meeting.

You felt moving the post just because you were not there to see it was the wise thing to do? You were not there so you really have nothing you can say. You only have he said vs she said. Which btw is what I had told Nolo. I ASKED if they thought Poring would tell them the truth if they asked. GUESS WHAT?! I was informed they doubt he would. Answer this. Why was Poring allowed to stay after he harassed Sil to the point he quit sky? 0 tolerence is just that. ZERO, NIL, ZIP, NADA! Now let me be clear for you... PORING BLAMED SOMEONE ELSE WHO HE WOULD NOT NAME for calling me whitey. Since it was his mule and it had KP pearl who could it be? Someone who KNOWS Taxero, Numa and I are in sky together. Hmmm that seems to narrow it down more... LOGIC says someone in sky....Since he said whitey in /t while in the LS and was in SKY with skypearl on and said someone in the LS....Top that with he then LIED to the leaders about what he told me....I should not be mad he is abusing the whole shell like that? I should not be mad that he was trying to get someone else in trouble when he was the one who did it? Did any lkeader ask me after the run, or een the week after to from the start retell what happened? NO! Great investigation! Please do not give up your day job.

Why did I not bring it to you... lets see...When is the last time you have been in sky for more than a few runs at a time? Were you there to see it...Oh I should bring it up to the leaders? Most of whom treat leadership like it was the mentor flag, you know turn it on and off on a whim. I DID inform them, I spoke to the leaders and it was brushed aside. So I should come to them when they made it very clear it was no big thing. TBH Nolo took it seriously. Tell me again how were they going to give a fair investigation when they already said I would be kicked BEFORE ANY MEETING. Hell when they chose to kick me, not one of them bothered to tell me < there are how many leaders 8+?. How funny would that have been. Me go up to sky on wednesday then be told on the LS what are you doing here?

Sorry you can not change it from what it is no matter the words. I will say I am rather suprised you even posted. Good thing I did not bet on it or I'd be one poor elvaan. As for the gm... all they say is /blacklist add <indert name>. As I said before this does not help the whole sky event. How do you invite a blacklisted bard for kirin zerg? Leader gets given to the person in party who will most likey be alive to invite/drop people. The WHOLE thing was handled wrong. Honestly I don't give a damn who complained in /t about me during that night. If it had been them going through this, I would have cared. I would not have just brushed it aside. IF the people BOTHERED to show up on wednesdays gods could also be popped then. Why not tell people how many bother to come to wednesday runs. On a DAMN GOOD wednesday we have 18, otherwise we are lucky to have 5-12. LS rules stated what Poring did would not be tolerated. He even admited he called me whitey in the LS chat, but he saw it as an mt prior....If some LS member was trying to say someone in the LS said it, I would have been mad. It shows a lack of respect to the whole shell.
So lets recap.... <I> Keryan get PISSED off when in sky for less than 5 minutes get /t whitey follow by a bunch of lies by Poring. When <I> Keryan Demand very strongly to know who <after all it was against LSrules for players to use those words> make the whole LS LOL about one mule being names blamenuma for a good 10 minutes. Yes I did get a good laugh at that mule name. No one thinks I am serious until I get down to like 2. Then people in the shell say not them. Leaders then ask Poring did you...and Poring LIES! Leaders say stop and contiune with run. WHICH IS what we did. Otherwise we'd not have killed more gods. BTW I did not make them waste 45 minutes. Sammy got lost and I was taking her to the Island. I get told after chatting with a leader about all of it that "there was NO DOUBT" that I would be kicked. I go to say my good byes because I will not be like Necrosis, or furrie, or any other member who players never know why they are off exping during sky. Leaders tell me stay, tell me there will be a meeting and I will be told monday. Leaders STATE IN THE LINKCHAT about the meeting and to look for the post.
Results: Leaders could not do anything with Poring because it is a he said vs she said. Poring brings it to the sky shell in the form of /t, but that is a GM's thing. Yet it happened in sky... Stop passing the buck. Leaders "forget" to tell the people what the results of the meeting were. Leader HIDE a post just because they felt like it. oh yea and a few LSmates get pissed the hell off that you allow another member to harass people and call them racial slurs. Way to go! Lets not forget... Rae WAS NOT THERE. I don't know why people had to turn this into a flame. I actually was rofl when I was told the reason for being kicked. Seriously you should have seen how paniced the leaders were when I told them Goodbye because I was being kicked. Someone jumped the gun alright. So how about you learn from this. You place people into the leadership role without any training. You have rules but only follow them when you feel like it. Your leaders fuck up and Mommy has to run in to save the day. You Rae have given the seal of approval to kick members who respond to what they are told by a leader. BTW only Nolo bothered to even say sorry for how things were handled. Says alot doesn't it.
Now I fully expect KA will now remove ANY PLAYER who breaks the rules. After all if you do not you make yourselves out to be hipocrites yet again. Shit even Jeska atleast had a leader tell him he was being kicked... Although Kiz said it was supposed to be Jes being given a chance to explain himself. Funny don't you think? Yes Jes was whiney, but to send the one leader who made it 100% CLEAR that given any reason he would kick Jes was wrong. You might recall I put a fit about how that was handled too. It is not about being kicked, but how it has been done a few times now, and the reasoning behind it.
On a side note if I remember right I had over 250 points. I wish my Friends in KA the best of luck. God knows they will need it.
 
Zyndara said:
Yeah I'm fairly new to KA. No, I don't make it a point to keep a running list of all the leaders on a post-it note right in front of me. But I know many of them: Kets, Nolo, Moon, Thana, Phil, Myrr to name a few I do remember and respect quite a bit. I don't claim it's a perfect shell. I don't claim the leaders are flawless. If somewhere down the line they do something that makes me think otherwise, then I'll be happy to say so. I'm referring to what I witnessed... the shitstorm you brewed over something you could have dealt with more maturely, namely in private.

And no, it's very goddamned not ok that Poring supposedly blamed one of us in the shell for saying that crap. I know I am on KP a good portion of the time, and it sure as shit was not said there anytime that I've seen. And Poring flat out said it was said on an entirely different shell. Maybe that's full of crap, but it's sure an interesting possibility considering almost no one had any clue wtf you were screaming about and threatening to leave over in the middle of a run. If this had supposedly been blurted out in shell, you think it would have been ignored by the leaders? Please. They call us out for cursing in shell, I hardly think that would have been happily overlooked like you're making it sound.

Was Poring wrong for his comments regardless of where they occurred? Absolutely. But you also handled things poorly and you don't want to accept that. You MADE it a flame when you posted this here. You can't say "Oh they're so unfair, they're so wrong, they hush everyone they disagree with" and then say, "oh but I'm not flaming anyone, the leaders are great, 99% of them are fantastic." They weren't "hiding" anything, just stopping the drama from going on any further. It went on too damn long as it was.

And on that note, I'm done with this thread. You're right it is going in circles, and frankly, it's all tiresome BS that shouldn't have even begun but then it's a bit late to think about that now. Though I didn't get a chance to know you I wish you well - good luck finding a new shell.
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First the only reason they jump on cussing is because MY DAUGHTER was on the shell at those times. They used to talk about all sorts of things before she was on. Secondly I DID try to find out in /t and guess what...HE BLAMED THE SHELL!. I said before they were wrong BECAUSE they based the desicion on what was caused by Nolo not thinking before he typed. Being kicked for Poring would have been just fine. Hell I told THEM that! BUT that was not the reason. We are kicking you because of the second incident. Would that have happened if I had not been told I was being kicked? CAUSE AND EFFECT! Otherwise it would have just been a warning, go figure a warning for breaking a 0 tolerance rule.

Stopping the drama...Hiding things CAUSES drama and makes people look GUILTY. You must feel it ok then for people who do not want drama to hide facts. It must be ok for people to hide if they hurt or kill someone because it might cause drama. I wonder how you would have felt when the LS was shady with the gil payouts.
I DO NOT CARE that I got kicked. I found it to be a GREAT LAUGH! Seriously I did not even post this under the flameboard...too bad you did not bother to check. You say it is not ok for him to have done it..yet are ok that he is staying...even though this is not his first offense. You are just as bad as he is then. The leaders screwed up by the numbers. There was no way they could do an investigation. Sorry they are not GM's.
Now for the slow people one more recap.... The reason given for kicking was that I caused drama a second time when I said good bye. The drama really was when I said I was being kicked and the leaders wanted to know which leader said it. Poring was given a slap on the wrist for breaking a 0 tolerance rule as posted in the LS laws multiple times. Also Zyn still does not know who the real LS leaders are. A shell can have great people, but all it takes is ONE bad player to ruin the shell.

Ask yourself these questions and think very hard. How is it someone who has broken the LSrules multiple times is only given a warning? Not one time, but MULTIPLE. How is it a player who the shell has only ONE complaint about is kicked<mind you this is only one I know of>? How would you feel if it was you? I played sky with my child on the shell. Everyone knows this. Before you go oh boohoo, there has been many times I had to log her out because people would not stop. Yes Poring was one of them. Did I make a fit about all that? Nope. Most times I would point out she was on. Others did the yelling for me when it came to her. Unlike you I have been a long time member. The things you like about the LS came about in a large part because I was there. You like that weekily payout? Before we'd get paid maybe once every 2-3 months, even then no one really understood how they broke it up. You like the being able to lot shining cloths? I remember pushing that with Nolo, kets and Phil. How about that tie bidding thing... Once upon a time if two people bid on the same item with the same points, NEITHER would lose points. Now the winner loses the bid point value on a tie. Guess who pushed that? I was very verbal when things happened in the shell that was bad for it, these are things that caused a number of players to leave. As you said that is just shell history.
In all honesty this flame has gone on as long as it has because people like you have not figured out the best thing to do would have been to shut up. Kiz seriously you have not been in sky to lead a run in a very long time. You really have no opinion since you were not there and have already stated to not being intrested in endgame anymore. I do hope Poring does not encourage more LSmembers to leave or creates things so they are kicked. Learn from your mistakes. Man I sound like a record. Could have sworn i told you guys that before. Someone tell Zyn who the main leaders of the sky shell is....It might intrest her to see just how important they treat sky. Then again maybe not as it might cause more drama.
 
Wall-o-text war. Are people actually reading this? From the looks of it, the only people posting are the ones in the shell, soo why did this leave your ls site?
 
Icewolf said:
Wall-o-text war. Are people actually reading this? From the looks of it, the only people posting are the ones in the shell, soo why did this leave your ls site?
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They removed the post not long after I posted it on the LSsite. Basically removed before any of the LSmembers could read it.
Most of the wall of text is repeating the same thing because they failed to read post one.
 
Icewolf said:
Wall-o-text war. Are people actually reading this? From the looks of it, the only people posting are the ones in the shell, soo why did this leave your ls site?
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I'm reading it, if only to see if anyone addressed the Poring point aside from Keryan.

Nope, no reasons/logic given for why their resident drama-llama is still in the shell and getting off with warnings.
 
Its the old boys club mentality, he's buds with everyone in the social and Keryan isnt in the social, thus he gets special treatment KA looks after their own KP members.
 
I understand how some people think I was very extreme to do a count down. When you are in a shell for a long time you get a good idea how they would respond. End of sky people spam warp. Post in forum or ask in ls chat "Excuse me... which of you called me whitey?" Response would be a spamming of people calling out whitey. Then more people would do it on more runs making for more drama than there was.

Now some people would say, but the leader would tell them not to. Please note the leaders also told the shell not to respond, but they did. In the end the whole thing became a great big lolz over HOW the whole thing was dealt with. Thats the main issue, how it was handled. Even the leaders admit it was not done right.

Thank you everyone for your support. I did have a good time in KA. They do have a pink cloud fluffy bunny mentality and a hush hush no drama thing and a double standard, but over all a good shell. People in the shell do not just let them ride herd. Watch and question. That is the only way the shell can become better. If you are new, talk to Nolo, Kets or Moon on the do's and don't on god fights. If you mess up on Kirin pops, they are not very nice about it. If they want to say otherwise I will happily post names and what happened. Of all the leaders who bother being in sky those three are the ones to talk to.

P.S JUST FOR ZYN: Your sky shell Boss men are infact Rae and Kiz. The people who do all the work and show up are Kiz and Nolo, and only recently Phil. The only reason that KA did not break up a year ago is the hard work and dedication of the members who chose to stay.

Moderators please lock the thread. It has done what it was supposed to do and all sides have spoken up. I am very tired of having to do wall of text responses that just repeat the same thing I put in post one.
 
Sweet, so if someone wants to MPK, or Bot, or harass someone else, they just need to un-equip their pearl to do so and get in no trouble from the LS? That makes absolutely no sense. When someone is in your shell as a member and starts shit with someone else, especially when that person is also IN your shell, having it equiped at the moment is moot, it's drama regardless.
 
They'd probably let Urat in. What he did he didn't do in the linkshell, so its no drama. Amirite?
 
Uzor said:
They'd probably let Urat in. What he did he didn't do in the linkshell, so its no drama. Amirite?
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Which is why Leonin kicked him, he was in shell fish botting!!!

It's Brilliance!
 
Have we gotten to a point in this world where calling someone "whitey" causes this much drama? Amazing... :crazyest:


From what I've read it looks like the other person in this debacle needs to be kicked as well. If there is going to be some consistency within the LS.
 
Arien said:
Have we gotten to a point in this world where calling someone "whitey" causes this much drama? Amazing... :crazyest:


From what I've read it looks like the other person in this debacle needs to be kicked as well. If there is going to be some consistency within the LS.
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Excellent deduction Arien. :|

You never cease to amaze me good sir.
 
All those years of college have finally paid off. :woot:
 
Jeska said:
Its the old boys club mentality, he's buds with everyone in the social and Keryan isnt in the social, thus he gets special treatment KA looks after their own KP members.
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Quote for truth. You're better off, Keryan.
 
Arien said:
Have we gotten to a point in this world where calling someone "whitey" causes this much drama? Amazing... :crazyest:


From what I've read it looks like the other person in this debacle needs to be kicked as well. If there is going to be some consistency within the LS.
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In all honesty, though, wouldn't calling someone a ++++++ in LS cause this much drama? If we're aiming for an equal world, whitey should be classed just as high as ++++++.
 
i agree... with Uzor however i think that saying both whitey and ++++++ are both just words and shouldn't offend anyone. Anyone they do offend are just overly sensitive.
 
Its not just a simple name calling, its the fact that leadership there has little or no training in how to handle such situations, I used to be in that group and saw several people promoted to leader from the social shell simply by currying favor with the main sky leaders.

So you in the socal shell you already know the leads very well after sky you all go off to the social together and bond some more so really its hardly suprising they are so dedicated to their own members.
 
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