if you were a designer for SE....

Torqameda said:
Then why do I see so many PLDs with Angel Rings at 74+? ;- ;
And isn't there a CHR bonus in its AF?

But I really wouldn't know. I mean, as Bard, I have high CHR, but songs (I presume) don't grab alot of hate. I guess I got the assumption that CHR affest emnity off the street.

It used to be rumored that CHR increased the potency of Provoke. SE shot that down in some interview. Then some rumor started that CHR determines how long the effects of Provoke last. I think someone else disproved that somehow. CHR doesn't affect hate as far as anyone can tell. PLD AF has CHR+ because all AF has useless stats.

I think. lol
 
Lanien said:
It used to be rumored that CHR increased the potency of Provoke. SE shot that down in some interview. Then some rumor started that CHR determines how long the effects of Provoke last. I think someone else disproved that somehow. CHR doesn't affect hate as far as anyone can tell. PLD AF has CHR+ because all AF has useless stats.

I think. lol

Ah. lolz
Well, not all. Like, WAR getting INT helps with elemental weapon skills. And THF getting int affects the lock picking stuff I've heard.
 
Torqameda said:
Ah. lolz
Well, not all. Like, WAR getting INT helps with elemental weapon skills. And THF getting int affects the lock picking stuff I've heard.

The only reasoning i can understand with rng and cor having chr and/or int stats is because of shadowstich(duration is affected by chr) gustslash(part of its modifier is int)

Both skills that both jobs have access to neither really put to use of course, well normally.

And to answer your question Torg not as many people keep up with the interviews as others such as the CHR thing with SE by 1up before the new expansion came out.

Its possible to make mistakes or follow sketchy rumors been there before
 
I like the idea of monks being able to mix and match glove weapons. Of all the concepts FFXI offers, it's one of the more realistic. On that same vein, why not allow glove armor and footware to follow the same rules?
 
Pompidou said:
I like the idea of monks being able to mix and match glove weapons. Of all the concepts FFXI offers, it's one of the more realistic. On that same vein, why not allow glove armor and footware to follow the same rules?
What you want a bunch of Punky Brewsters running around?
 
Khidir said:
The only reasoning i can understand with rng and cor having chr and/or int stats is because of shadowstich(duration is affected by chr) gustslash(part of its modifier is int)

Both skills that both jobs have access to neither really put to use of course, well normally.

And to answer your question Torg not as many people keep up with the interviews as others such as the CHR thing with SE by 1up before the new expansion came out.

Its possible to make mistakes or follow sketchy rumors been there before

Yea... Torg... lolz
But yea, I realize that. I never even heard of the interview.
 
Well I'm not going to quote any of the others because this page is long enough, lol.

Kisada's right in that a well equipped WAR and even most decent equipped ones can out parse a majority of the other melee except for MNK and NIN. Those three really are the kings and we all see that. Generating more damage will add to your ability to hold hate, but there are more things that make a good tank.

For that reason WAR are not the better tank than NIN. The NIN has his enfeebles for hate, almost the same dmg output for hate, some arhat's if he needs enmity, still has his provoke/warcry plus he'll dodge more and have that one extra shadow. I would agree that evasion gear is mostly a moot point on merit mobs because they don't last very long, but saying evasion doesn't matter is wrong. If you max out your utsu timers then the mobs will get through and that time you spend with shadows down is MP used by your mages.

A NIN w/o gear has 269 evasion (possibly merited to 277) while the warrior has 225 and most likely not boosted, actually probably reduced due to hauby/hauberk, atk earrings, etc. So a ninja in a DD setup will still have more evasion than a WAR in evasion gear, that can make a profound difference. The ninja will still tank well while keeping on his DD setup. I mean Ninja hit 225 evasion at lvl 66, 9 levels sooner, it's not a small evasion gap.

Every attack dodged/parried/absorbed is MP not spent. Even if he dodges only 2-3 attacks a fight that is 2-3 shadows not used, or 2-3 heals not used and will stack up over time helping to keep the party going, or to keep your 1 RDM healer happy. And it comes to the NIN naturally, he's not really sacrificing any dmg (other than casting time) to do it.

Notice I never mentioned that WARs can't tank, I've used them in merit parties too. I've even been main tank once (mainly because the real tank wasn't that great) as SAM/NIN. But it doesn't mean that WAR nor lolSAM is the best tank. You'd be hard pressed I think to convince people that a WAR will be the better tank unless your goal is merely to keep swapping hate around amongst your party, but even then that means you're counting on someone to out DD you.


*phew* Now that I put my spin on that issue, I'm curious as to what others think could be solutions to 2H weapon damage. Personally after doing some more sky farming and dynamis this week, plus a merit party on Sunday I'm getting continually frustrated with doing nearly the same dmg in 1 GKT hit as my MNK friend does with 1 fist. Breaking from the game from a second, how does a sword that can sever your arm do less damage than one punch to the gut?

Ok, back to the game mechanics. One axe or fist strike has, on paper, lower weapon dmg and a comparable skill cap. STR is also fairly similar between SAM and other DD jobs and isn't as much of a factor on regular melee hits. So my guess is that it's the attack bonus that makes them hit almost as hard with one hand what it takes me two to do. So one simple solution could be to give 2H DDs some kind of attack boost when they have a 2H weapon equipped, but there must be some sleeker way of tweaking the system. I'm interrested in hearing what others have in the way of ideas.
 
Shaunessy said:
When did they nerf Ni on your sub? Everyone keeps talking about NIN having this extra shadow. Where is it?

They are refering to the :Ichi > :Ni > :Ichi combination thing... or something like that
 
When subbing Ninja, Ni only gives 3 shadows.
 
Shaunessy said:
But where does the extra shadow come from? 3 for ichi, 4 for Ni, I've never seen NIN get an extra shadow.

It's not really an extra shadow. I guess it just seems like an extra shadow or whatever. I really don't know how it works completely. I've only seen it mentionend a few times on this forum.
 
Lanien is correct, you get 4 shadows on Ni as ninja main and only 3 while subbing ninja.
 
Torqameda said:
You automatically get 4 shadows off the bat when you have NIN has your main?

For utsu:ni yes, for utsu:ichi you still have only 3.
 
Shaunessy said:
What you want a bunch of Punky Brewsters running around?

I personally always wear matched armor sets, but there are many who would gladly look like punky brewster (that's a name I haven't heard in 20 years, lol) if it meant increased effectiveness. For proof that players will gladly look silly in return for effectiveness, I offer to you the Optical Hat in Exhibit A.
 
Pompidou said:
I personally always wear matched armor sets, but there are many who would gladly look like punky brewster (that's a name I haven't heard in 20 years, lol) if it meant increased effectiveness. For proof that players will gladly look silly in return for effectiveness, I offer to you the Optical Hat in Exhibit A.
I call bullshit on the optical hat, because there is a hat that that looks like it and is even more poop than unsliced bread, and people wear it. Plus I still wear my Travelers hat when I'm just running around because of it's name. Optical Hat is pimp. Can't wait to get mine.
 
I love the look of the Optical Hat.
 
Just to get back on topic:

I would give PLD their own voke. Then start subbing Ninja or WHM. XD

Shaunessy said:
I call bullshit on the optical hat, because there is a hat that that looks like it and is even more poop than unsliced bread, and people wear it. Plus I still wear my Travelers hat when I'm just running around because of it's name. Optical Hat is pimp. Can't wait to get mine.

I think you are refering to the Fungus Hat? The EXTREMELY overrpriced hat that drops of the NM in La Thien Plateau?
 
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