Is raising prices of items that bad !?

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Yoshindor

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Okay some of you may or may not have noticed, but I have made an attempt to raise the price of the celets from 10-20 K to 130 K. I have been getting many dozens of hate tells calling me a greedy whore and auction thug, and countless other things.

But I ask you this is it really that bad ? I raised the price simply because even with a large bank roll it's not good buisness sense to loose 120 + K on each NQ syth, so is raising the price of the armor so where I only loose 10-20 K a synth as apposed to 120 (since people seem to insyst that I loose money in my crafting rather than breaking even), make me a bad person a greedy whore ect. Is raising the price of a lvl 68 peice of armor that bad!?
 
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Most ppl I would assume don't like it when ppl jack up prices to begin with. I understand where you're coming from, you can either try to continue upping the price or stop, but that's up to you. I'd also be angry at the ppl buying the jacked up prices too.
 
That much yes it is bad if you're losing that much find something else to make, or find a new craft. Because that's an insane price jump just because you want to break even. You don't like losing that much farm your materials THEN you will break even that's not a hard concept there. Farm your materials you save gil.

Oh yea I also forgot to mention UNDERCUTTING WONT STABLIZE THE ECONOMY! So honestly STOP it doesn't "sell faster" it will sell faster tho if you put for let's say 13,999 gil for a 14,000 item (btw if you can't tell I'm talking about realitivly fast selling fast dropping items such as beehive chips), but undercutting and cause a major drop in prices screws other people over and have to spend more on tax. You you're self are also losing out on more gil towards that Hauby or SH. Wow that's a really hard concept (sarcasm). Your undercutting wont stablize our economy. Why do you think camping Mee Degi has become so popular to contradict stupid peoples undercutting. It sends the message of you wont stablize the economy so there has to be a rise in something for the drop in something else. I still don't agree with gilselling or buying I will never do it, and I see that gilselling wont stop even if the economy stablizes there will still be those instances.
 
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romperstomper said:
That much yes it is bad if you're losing that much find something else to make, or find a new craft. Because that's an insane price jump just because you want to break even. You don't like losing that much farm your materials THEN you will break even that's not a hard concept there. Farm your materials you save gil.
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You exspect me to waist my game time going mineing. You also exspect me to just turn around and lvl a new craft when I'm at lvl 100.... how nice and considerate you are. I'm only charging what it costs me to make them, if you don't like make your own it will cost you more, or lower the prices of my materials and I wouldn't have to charge this much.
 
Then if you don't feel like farming which is a necessity in the game then quit. That's the best advice I can give you. Don't cry about the price of a synth item. You can't break 100 and mining isn't that hard I use to do it. I could understand if you had to go to some place like Ifrit's Cauldron or something to mine, but you're just being lazy when you can easily synth your own materials for the pickaxes.
 
I don't mind when things get more expensive...
Like, if they go up substantially, then I'd care, but if it's just a little, then I don't care, because it's one of the things that make FFXI better than all other MMORPG's... it's realistic in the terms of supply/demand.
 
Thnikkaman said:
I don't mind when things get more expensive...
Like, if they go up substantially, then I'd care, but if it's just a little, then I don't care, because it's one of the things that make FFXI better than all other MMORPG's... it's realistic in the terms of supply/demand.
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I agree here I don't mind alittle inflation but the type hes asking for is insane. Obviously what he's making isn't worth the materials he's using to synth it and not many buy the item.
 
wait wait wait.

didn't yoshindor harass someone for something exactly similar, which resulted in a flame thread about it?

yoshindor, i just have one question... is she fucking?
 
romperstomper said:
I agree here I don't mind alittle inflation but the type hes asking for is insane. Obviously what he's making isn't worth the materials he's using to synth it and not many buy the item.
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Not to be rude, I don't want this to become a flame.
You don't even know what your talking about apparently, you must have missread something.

It's a Celeta for those not familiar with the gear:

Level: 68
Slot: Head
Type: Armor: Chain
Jobs: BST DRK WAR
Races: All
Defense: 22
Auction House Category:
Armor / Head
Effects for Celata:
Accuracy +3
Attack +4
Evasion -2

HQ #1: Celata +1


Made from Recipe:
Main Skill: Smithing (87 - Adept)
Crystal: Fire
Ingredients: Copper Ingot, Steel Sheet, Darksteel Chain, Darksteel Sheet, Sheep Leather
Result: Celata
HQ #1: Celata +1

Lots of people buy it.

I've already sold 10 of them at this price through bazaar and 1 on the AH.

I have all of maybe 30 mins a day to play I'm not going to spend it mining sorry. So don't call me lazy! I'm spoending my time the best way possable.
I'm already 100 +3 I'm makeing these for a few friends who have asked for a +1. when my account exspires at the end of the month prices will go back to normal.
 
Then wtf are you jacking the prices? Our economy is in an inflation stage it wont go back down damn.
 
romperstomper said:
That much yes it is bad if you're losing that much find something else to make, or find a new craft. Because that's an insane price jump just because you want to break even. You don't like losing that much farm your materials THEN you will break even that's not a hard concept there. Farm your materials you save gil.
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You can't seriously believe that. Do you understand how basic economics work? Just because you farm it, does not make it free. If you farm an item, that item = time and time = money. If you farm 500k worth of materials, you have 500k gil. If you then craft them into an item worth 1/10 the value, you just lost 450k. It is not free.
 
Rones said:
You can't seriously believe that. Do you understand how basic economics work? Just because you farm it, does not make it free. If you farm an item, that item = time and time = money. If you farm 500k worth of materials, you have 500k gil. If you then craft them into an item worth 1/10 the value, you just lost 450k. It is not free.
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thankyou Rones it seems some people can understand my point of view.
 
Gannon said:
Most ppl I would assume don't like it when ppl jack up prices to begin with. I understand where you're coming from, you can either try to continue upping the price or stop, but that's up to you. I'd also be angry at the ppl buying the jacked up prices too.
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Not shure I understand this comment.

Are you saying what I'm doing is bad but you can understand it ?

Or are you saying crafters have to do what they have to to survive?
 
Yoshindor said:
Not shure I understand this comment.

Are you saying what I'm doing is bad but you can understand it ?

Or are you saying crafters have to do what they have to to survive?
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I'm saying, those that need the item will hate you if you jack the price. If you must do it then atleast jack it up slowly so it's not noticed.
 
Gannon said:
I'm saying, those that need the item will hate you if you jack the price. If you must do it then atleast jack it up slowly so it's not noticed.
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I honestly don't care if I'm hated or liked.

I can be your best friend or worst enemy, but I'm not going to stand by and loose gil all because the popular consensus amoung nooblets with sticker shock is I should take the hit on everything and not them.

I'm a nice guy. I craft things for free, I made someone an odo knife +1 yesterday and didn't charge him a thing for it despite most crafters would give them the money to buy and NQ or to get the materials by shouting, because it's worth as much as the pendant is if you get the right buyer.

I don't think it's too much to ask that I'm allowed to craft things so I don't loose 1oo's of thousands of gil per synth.
 
He is jacking the prices because the idiots who jack the raw goods make him lose more money, its just finally reaching the top.

I'm all for crafters jacking prices, hell I was the reason verms went from 5 to 7 mil. Hate me if you want but too freakin bad, I craft for money, not to make you keep money.
 
You jacking up prices wont make you my worst enemy or my best friend. If anything this whole thread comes off as "hey, I don't have the guts to stick out my craft like everyone else, so I'm jacking the prices, screw everyone but me." No one's making you do this synth, so you claiming that you don't want to lose money is irrelevent because if you didn't want to lose money you wouldn't do it. You're just being greedy, and refusing to pay the same dues that everyone else who leveled your craft paid. You don't want to lose money, don't do the synth. You not wanting to lose money doesn't justify you gouging prices solely for your own benefit.
 
Bajaratt said:
You jacking up prices wont make you my worst enemy or my best friend. If anything this whole thread comes off as "hey, I don't have the guts to stick out my craft like everyone else, so I'm jacking the prices, screw everyone but me." No one's making you do this synth, so you claiming that you don't want to lose money is irrelevent because if you didn't want to lose money you wouldn't do it. You're just being greedy, and refusing to pay the same dues that everyone else who leveled your craft paid. You don't want to lose money, don't do the synth. You not wanting to lose money doesn't justify you gouging prices solely for your own benefit.
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This is far from greed.

I've paid my dues!

I've lost over 50 million getting to lvl 100

And I'll be damned if I'm going to loose more money trying to make HQ's simply for the benifit of everyone else. This is not gouging iether, I could be makeing a profit off the NQ but no I chose to sell the for less than they cost to make. This is simply me sustaining my wallet!

You try getting smithing to 100. Lossing millions of gil a lvl then well talk.

Also I love how you try to defile my charecter, when you don't even seem to know what your talkking about here.

Lets add up the cost of what 1 of things cost to make by curent AH prices.

Ingredients: Copper Ingot, Steel Sheet, Darksteel Chain, Darksteel Sheet, Sheep Leather

Copper Ingot = 10-12 K: A stack or I could spend 10 mins makeing a stack and save a few K, This does not include the travel time to go to a guild or a store to get the ore, nor does it include the price of the crystals

Steel Sheet = 8-11 K: Same for the ignots alsoadding the price of fire crystals to sheet the thing an additionl 5-6 K if I get the ingot

Darksteel Chain = 80-90 K: It takes 2 darksteel ingots to make this and no one makes and seels them really because they sell so slow and would be a loos to brek even

Darksteel Sheet = 40-45 K: could go an make it crom an ingot but it's the same price, or I could make the ingot but again this add another 5-6 K of crystaks to my orice

Sheep Leather 8-11 K: could go make or save time and buy it

Now lets add all this up.
10-12 K
8-11 K
80-90 K
40-45 K
8-11 K
Equals
146-169 K is what it ccosts me per Celata

Am I still Goudgeing? I'm still loosing money just not 120 K + like I was
 
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