Ithenas, the Thief of Today

[Ithenas]

ok, i'll break my rule, long story short, jonas gave all his shit to aftgame when he quit. Atfgame, who didn't have a use for the e-bow let me borrow it, i didn't ask him if i could borrow it, he traded it to me and told me i could. Few months ago atf said i could keep it...i don't see the problem, anyway, have fun guys

 

[Kireek]

someone giveing away something thats not theirs.... you bitched sooo much about proph doing that talked about it not being right, then run off and do it yourself? such a hypocrite

 

[Shaunessy]

(this will be my one and only post on this subject, )

*whoops*

Not only is Ithenas a theif, but also a liar!!

 

[Firestreak]

So basically you're a douchebag?

 

[Firestreak]

Here's the thing that really annoys me about this whole thing.

First off, with the Osode, you came to QCDN and made a flame board post right away, before simply talking it out with Delite and Wowzer.

The Osode was Delite's, not yours. You never earned it. You never told him you left OH. You were the second party, between Wowzer and Delite for that Osode, and Prophecy didn't want you to have said Osode. However it was not in his power to prevent it, seeing as he didn't have access to Osode nor was it his. He merely said thought Wowzer should decide.

For this, you decide to make a public flame. For this Osode you didn't earn.

Now on the reverse, you are in third tier possession of this E-bow. Unlike the Osode, the actual person who earned it, Jonas, is making a claim to it. Yet you refuse because it was loaned to a person who then gave to you. If you "gave" Delite's Osode to someone else, would it then not be Delite's to reclaim? If simply handing an item over to someone makes it theirs, then Wowzer owned the Osode, and your first flame was a complete lie. If ownership is based on the original owner decides where it should be, then Atfgame could have lent you Jonas' E-bow, but it still was Jonas'. He couldn't give you possession because just as if Jonas had returned then, the bow would still be his.

In short, you're a hypocrite, and the worst kind of one. Because you openly steal what's not yours and there is a clear rightful owner to who earned the item, and you complain that people who flame you for it are "Drama queens." While at the same time you rush to flame over ownership of something you didn't earn that changed hands around, before even talking it over with the people in possession.

You as well have shown you can't be trusted, with a tendency to steal(see: stealing Bloodtear NM from Shuitou and Landstar) and you have no honor.

And I fully suspect, all the ESP members who jumped into your last thread complaining how stealing is wrong will not post at all in this thread, or simply post with no clear opinion on the matter.

 

[Wowzer^]

Wow, I'm defenitly regretting giving the osode to Ith now if all this is true...

 

[Jimm]

Wow, Ith. What a douchebag thing to do. I used to have alot of respect for you but this is fucked up...

On an added note. Unphazed had no problem giving Jonas's Osode back to him the day he came back and thats worth more than an Ebow. Some people in this game that are on good terms with eachother or even friends of friends really end up surprising me when it comes down to high priced in game items.

Overall, douchebag thing to do. If it was me, I would have given it back to its rightful owner but I guess I can't expect that kind of honor out of everyone. :roll:

 

[Mishaela]

Wow, Ith. What a douchebag thing to do. I used to have alot of respect for you but this is fucked up...

On an added note. Unphazed had no problem giving Jonas's Osode back to him the day he came back and thats worth more than an Ebow. Some people in this game that are on good terms with eachother or even friends of friends really end up surprising me when it comes down to high priced in game items.

Overall, douchebag thing to do. If it was me, I would have given it back to its rightful owner but I guess I can't expect that kind of honor out of everyone. :roll:

Exactly.

It's not your bow, and it wasn't even Aft's to give away....is it really worth all the trouble for a piece of equipment, let alone one that virtually no one will care if you do/don't have anyhow? Maybe I'm just carefree when it comes to losing equipment or something, but couldn't you just settle for a Shigeto Bow or something? =/

 

[Stouter]

The Osode was Delite's, not yours. You never earned it. You never told him you left OH. You were the second party, between Wowzer and Delite for that Osode, and Prophecy didn't want you to have said Osode. However it was not in his power to prevent it, seeing as he didn't have access to Osode nor was it his. He merely said thought Wowzer should decide.

And a lovely post to Delite...

But the Osode is Wowzer's now. He earned it as much as you did. Ithenas was going to get another Osode for his ranger. You were going to get another Osode for yourself if you came back

I love it how everyone can completely change their morality when the situation gets reversed on them, and then complain about how the other side did the exact same thing.

Everyone seems to be glossing over what really happened with the osode, and making themselves look like they had the moral high ground and did what was right. Ith asked for it back from wowzer, proph told wowzer not to give it back. All of OH opposed it going to ith. Delite said he wanted ith to have it, wowzer gave it to Delite. I think wowzer is the only member of OH from that time that can claim any moral high ground from that fiasco.

On the bright side, maybe this will make Jonas quit the game again, this time for good!

 

[Foofighter]

I really don't know this situation but I can tell you how things went down when I came back after I quit the game and gave all my stuff away. I came back with 0gil and to the same LS. The person I gave all my stuff to gave me as much gil as he could afford to get back on my feet. Some BLMs in my LS let me mooch some Manaburn BCs to get some quick cash. I even got to fight Kirin the same weekend I came back and my ammo and food was donated by the other rangers. Never once did I ask for anything back, but I got plenty back in return. My opinion is that if you give your stuff away it is no longer yours to take back, however, those who got your stuff are pieces of shit if they don't help you get back on your feet when you come back.

 

[brucebobo]

Firestreak why did you come on ESP LS web site and post a link to this?

you might hate ith. but you can leave our LS out of this.

 

[Akisu]

you can leave our LS out of this.

Its my understanding that a LS is only as good as the members it keeps... and someone who can post something like below, then do it to someone else, isn't that great of a person.

It would seem that outterheaven and having high end items stolen is getting more and more common....

Hmm, common enough even you do it? Apparently...

This is a hard-learned lesson tho, you can't even trust people you've were friends with and were in a shell with for a long time.

And, now everyone knows we can't trust you either...

Ithenas, I could care less if your ex-OH, or ex-anything else... well except maybe ex-victim here. How can you even take your stance trying to defend yourself? Hypocrite. Plain and simple. Don't understand the word? Here, try reading this.
http://www.hardcoretruth.com/Hypocrisy/

If Jonas leaves to play WoW for awhile, and loans his gear out while he's taking a break, and that person gives the gear to you, it was never yours to begin with! Let alone the person who gave it to you, both should be ashamed of yourselves, but especially you Ith. You have the ability to fix and end this right now, and I would think you would do so easily having a similar thing happen to you. Or, perhaps these are your true colors coming out, and your a greedy person who only cares about self gain.

Maybe you should try reading the link on my signature, try following a few of them.

Don't take things that aren't yours.

 

[Watchyourstep]

Here's the thing that really annoys me about this whole thing.

First off, with the Osode, you came to QCDN and made a flame board post right away, before simply talking it out with Delite and Wowzer.

The Osode was Delite's, not yours. You never earned it. You never told him you left OH. You were the second party, between Wowzer and Delite for that Osode, and Prophecy didn't want you to have said Osode. However it was not in his power to prevent it, seeing as he didn't have access to Osode nor was it his. He merely said thought Wowzer should decide.

For this, you decide to make a public flame. For this Osode you didn't earn.

Now on the reverse, you are in third tier possession of this E-bow. Unlike the Osode, the actual person who earned it, Jonas, is making a claim to it. Yet you refuse because it was loaned to a person who then gave to you. If you "gave" Delite's Osode to someone else, would it then not be Delite's to reclaim? If simply handing an item over to someone makes it theirs, then Wowzer owned the Osode, and your first flame was a complete lie. If ownership is based on the original owner decides where it should be, then Atfgame could have lent you Jonas' E-bow, but it still was Jonas'. He couldn't give you possession because just as if Jonas had returned then, the bow would still be his.

In short, you're a hypocrite, and the worst kind of one. Because you openly steal what's not yours and there is a clear rightful owner to who earned the item, and you complain that people who flame you for it are "Drama queens." While at the same time you rush to flame over ownership of something you didn't earn that changed hands around, before even talking it over with the people in possession.

You as well have shown you can't be trusted, with a tendency to steal(see: stealing Bloodtear NM from Shuitou and Landstar) and you have no honor.

And I fully suspect, all the ESP members who jumped into your last thread complaining how stealing is wrong will not post at all in this thread, or simply post with no clear opinion on the matter.

wow

 

[Ithenas]

So basically you're a douchebag?

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Wow, i love how wrong firestreak is w/ the whole osode thing. On top of that Akisu, my whole defence is based on the vocabulary that jonas used when he quit and that atfgame used when he gave me the bow in turn. The word "borrow" was never used, despite what jonas and kireek would lead one to believe So i ask you, who's the bigger hipocrite? somebody that goes back on their word or somebody that stands firmly on what they were told? Even tho my typing skills are somewhat shitty...i'd like you all to know that hukked on fonecs werked fer meh

 

[Kat]

The Osode was Delite's, not yours. You never earned it. You never told him you left OH. You were the second party, between Wowzer and Delite for that Osode, and Prophecy didn't want you to have said Osode. However it was not in his power to prevent it, seeing as he didn't have access to Osode nor was it his. He merely said thought Wowzer should decide.

And a lovely post to Delite...

But the Osode is Wowzer's now. He earned it as much as you did. Ithenas was going to get another Osode for his ranger. You were going to get another Osode for yourself if you came back

I love it how everyone can completely change their morality when the situation gets reversed on them, and then complain about how the other side did the exact same thing.

Everyone seems to be glossing over what really happened with the osode, and making themselves look like they had the moral high ground and did what was right. Ith asked for it back from wowzer, proph told wowzer not to give it back. All of OH opposed it going to ith. Delite said he wanted ith to have it, wowzer gave it to Delite. I think wowzer is the only member of OH from that time that can claim any moral high ground from that fiasco.

On the bright side, maybe this will make Jonas quit the game again, this time for good!

I think you need to reread that thread again Stout^^.

 

[The Druw]

So. Jonas earns E-bow.

Jonas leaves, lets Aft use the bow.


This Aft person gives bow to Ithenas.

A bow which was never really -his-

Jonas comes back. Wishes the bow he earned be returned.

Ithenas says no. Because that thing is very nice and would be alot of work to actually earn.


Yes? no? Do I have this story right?

 

[cohibuu]

ithenas you know the bow was his. give it to him. you piece of shit. end.

 

[Akisu]

Wow, i love how wrong firestreak is w/ the whole osode thing. On top of that Akisu, my whole defence is based on the vocabulary that jonas used when he quit and that atfgame used when he gave me the bow in turn. The word "borrow" was never used, despite what jonas and kireek would lead one to believe So i ask you, who's the bigger hipocrite? somebody that goes back on their word or somebody that stands firmly on what they were told? Even tho my typing skills are somewhat shitty...i'd like you all to know that hukked on fonecs werked fer meh

So, please tell us, what the exact words that were said were. And even still, Jonas *is* back. Why not give him his bow back? Don't pick at the literal sense of the words, there are things implied that never come out using quotes, let alone paraphrasing something you don't even provide us with to see when you argue your point.

Vocabulary can only go so far... words are words, actions are what make the person.

Ontop of that, I'm sure we can go and pull alot of words, gramatical errors and misquotes or missunderstandings out of that big argument with your osode before. The point isn't exact words, it's ethics. Ex, are you a greedy little jerk who plays word games, or are you a half decent person who won't let happen to someone else what almost happened to you? Let's get a strait answer, instead of trying to spin the argument against everyone else about everything else.

And yes, The Druw, that's it.

So Ithenas, are you really such a hypocrit you're going screw someone over that bad after you had to suffer through the same thing? Hmm, maybe they should have kept your Osode. Greedy. I've camped that bow before, would you like the information on how it spawns? You can go earn yourself a bow instead of stealing others.

 

[Blackmagik]

please

from all this drama

and this, my friend is a douchebag...

 

[Firestreak]

Here's the difference between you keeping the E-Bow and me defending Wowzer if he had chosen to keep the Osode.


First off, anyone who is in a Sky LS will probably agree with this statement...

A single person doesn't earn an Osode. An Entire LS earns an Osode and then decides a person has worked hard enough to get it.

Fact: You didn't tell Delite you left OH. You didn't deserve an Osode any more than Wowzer deserved one. There was a deal between Prophecy and Delite to get a Togi for Delite and then Delite to get a new Osode at a later date.

That Osode, was Delites, and if at any time Delite returned to the game he'd have gotten it back or a new one right away. What the debate was about is, considering Delite never would have just left OH and joined another LS with the Osode, with him absent to comment on where the Osode should go, I thought it better in Wowzer's hands. At any rate, I know Wowzer was no fucking thief unlike you and the three of you agreed it was the moral thing to do, and Wowzer consented, the Osode would go to you.

Note: When Wowzer decided to give Osode to you, I had 0 complaints and supported him 100%. You can even go return to that thread and look for yourself.

Now this E-bow, on the other hand, is Jonas'. It was always his, and it will always be his. He can loan it to Atfgame, and just because Atfgame ASSUMED Jonas' wouldn't come back, it was not his to give. Just like if you ASSUMED Delite wasn't coming back, that Osode is'nt yours to give away.


As for me involving ESP:

You have won many battles on the strength of Jonas' E-bow and Delite's Osode. If these items become stolen property, you are harboring a thief. And then the standard of making this an LS dispute as opposed to a simple dispute was established not by me, but by Ithenas. He was the one who labaled this as an "OH" thread. He was the one who decided to involve us in it by association first.

Furthermore, when given the E bow and when loaned the Osode(officially) he was an OH member. I posted on your site to warn you because of the likelyhood if you should loan him an item he might take off with it.