Jack Thompson to be given America's Freedom Award? WHAT THE F-CK?!

I didn't put any words in your mouth in this thread, so I don't even know what the fuck you're rambling on about. Go back to talking about conspiracies and mayans.

Nice

Skaw said:
If you're talking about changin the quote, that isn't putting words in your mouth. It may have been your opinion, but your opinion on the subject is dead wrong.

My opinion has nothing to do with it. I play the most violent games ever made. I'm also able to see and understand Jacks reasons for for being so. It's not rocket science.

And about the quote changing, it was you who complained first, you even took it as insult. Seriously if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Skaw said:
Video games can be as fucked up or tame as they want to be. Without a parent or another adult to educate a good grip on how things in the world work, a child shouldn't be doing anything even remotely dentrimental to development. Even the tamest of video games have actions that translate in to deadly effects in the real world. Mario may be able to survive a fall from several stories, but there are chance a 6 year old won't.

Even you can see it, but YOU do not fight it like Jack does. Your conditioned to dislike Jack to a point where your consumed by all of this, and wouldn't be caught dead in the same air as Jack. These games are of this place, and not to where your headed.

Again I see where Jack is coming from, no one wants to admit games are bad. I think they are bad for us as much as i enjoy them.

Skaw said:
A parent is one hundred percent responsible for their childrens development and actions because of so. Nobody or nothing else. If you don't want your child to exposed to violence, death, sex, drugs, whathaveyou, then you better be trying your damnedest to keep them away from it. Chances are good that they'll find out about or experience it somehow, and thats when you educate them about it. Don't just say "It's bad." Tell them why. Let them know the real consequences of actions such as shooting a friend with a gun, or playing with fire.

It's not happening as it should, the world is getting more and more corrupt. That alone indicates that parenting itself is not as discipline as it use to be. What I'm saying is, "simply saying what a parent should do does nothing for the situation". And that is all we hear, is "what parents should do". I don't mean to discredit all parents, there are a large number of parents who raise their children very well by whatever standard they are focusing on. All I'm saying children will access the forbidden entertainment. They know about it, they talk about it, they share it and play it, like may of us did when we were small.

Skaw said:
You may be fine with a government becoming a Nanny State, but I sure as fuck am not fine with it.

Yes stand for your addiction.

Skaw said:
It's not everyone elses job to keep your child safe from/educated on concepts you don't agree with.

It's not selfish if the world looked after one another, including the children. The world is far from that though. We're just moving on up aren't we ?

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Also, quit being easily provoked if you honestly took offense with editing you opinion to one more correct on the situation. Get the sand out of that cooter.

I had nothing to say about it until you started complain about being insulted, and something along the lines of you expecting me to do so. Again if you can't handle it, don't dish it out.

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Over all I can step away from preferences and see what "is" and what "is not". Children playing violent games "is", as parents keeping up with what their children are doing, "is not"

I know the games "I" play are very corrupt. I like every other gamer would have been better off without them. I like video games, and like any other gamer, looking back at all the time spent playing the game, could have been spent doing something more productive.

I say games are fucked up. YOU do not disagree. As a matter of fact you say, "They can be as fucked up as they want to be".

My thoughts on Jacks mission are pure. I don't like it cause I LIKE my addiction. I'm not done with gaming yet. But that is no reason to NOT be able to understand his reasons. For starters it's not to be a prick.
 
Ant, I have to disagree. Parents HAVE to stop their kids from playing games that aren't meant for them yet. Not everyone can rely on some jackass to do their dirty work, otherwise we'd have a world of drugged up, stupid, brain dead, criminally insane retards.

Jack Thompson just wants to hop on a bandwagon and get paid to tell LIES like any lawyer is trained to do. Thompson though is perverting the course of justice and being an all round DOUCHEFAG!

Remember when the gaming community sent Jack flowers to show we are civilized people too?

He threw the flowers back in our faces, had a temper tantrum and told the gaming community to go smoke 'em.

He is nothing but a spoiled child unworthy of an award.
 
If video games are bad for kids then so is tv, movies, books, and fuck, anything else out there. Jack Thompsan is a moron. I can't understand the guys reasons at all. Remember the kid who stuck his head in sand in order to get sand powers like he saw in Naruto and died? Are people going to say anime is bad? Everything we watch/read/do in video games is because we can't do them ourselves without there being a negative effect.

Just because some moronic people forget there are consequences for doing bad things doesn't mean you should take away video games. Just because kids rob a store and go "Oh, well in GTA you could rob stores" doesn't mean that video games are bad. What if people mimicked Rambo? Are you going to say movies are bad? What about TV shows? Books? School? Friends? Family?

Just because parents forget to teach their kids the difference between Real life and video games doesn't mean that games are bad. We have ratings are things for a reason. We have entertainment for a reason. If people don't know what's real and what isn't real then it's their and their parents fault.

Me personally. I've been watching horror movies and playing bloody/extreme video games since I was kid. You know why I don't go robbing stores or killing people? Cause my PARENTS taught me what was right.

Jack Thompson is a fucking moron who needs to be shut the fuck up.
 
Ant, I have to disagree. Parents HAVE to stop their kids from playing games that aren't meant for them yet. Not everyone can rely on some jackass to do their dirty work, otherwise we'd have a world of drugged up, stupid, brain dead, criminally insane retards.

I think Parents must stop their kids too. The point I'm making is, they are not. It shows face as our society gets more and more corrupt.

When i was a child in the 80's, everyone was all more in together. It's not like that today. It's very clear that the world is gradually losing their will to look out for others like we use to. It may not seem like it, but out games are shaping our ways.

Gerry said:
Jack Thompson just wants to hop on a bandwagon and get paid to tell LIES like any lawyer is trained to do. Thompson though is perverting the course of justice and being an all round DOUCHEFAG!

Interestingly enough. Who pays Jack to do this ? Is the question.

Gerry said:
Remember when the gaming community sent Jack flowers to show we are civilized people too?

He threw the flowers back in our faces, had a temper tantrum and told the gaming community to go smoke 'em.

I wouldn't believe the gaming community that gave him flowers are real. The gaming community are the people (us). If the flowers were really from us, it would have been an outstanding act of humanity, millions of flowers showing up. This movement to give Jack flowers I think is a propaganda stunt. Jack is fooling with pretty powerful industries. The Government literally legalizes anything they can make a killing off of, and gaming is one of those things.

Personally i think Jack ended up going further with this than he planned, his frustrations make much of his imperfections surface and he ends up saying things about gamers that crosses lines. He's not very focuses but it is amazing how he's fighting a battle he cannot win. That in itself is a game far greater than any video game has ever granted any one of us. He is one of the biggest gamers of us all.

Gerry said:
He is nothing but a spoiled child unworthy of an award.

The man has a lot of fire. You gotta give him that much.

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EDIT: Not that our games are shaping our ways as i said.. They do take part in that though.
 
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Wait a sec you feel that ? .... Parents everywhere are opening their eyes all of a sudden, Oh my God this is a miracle, all the parents across the land are growing a pair at the same time.
Because standing by and expecting some crazed "vigilante" to take care of needless issues is more useful, right?
 
Isn't this the same Jack Thompson who tried to sue Wendy's for selling mini toy Wii-motes because Man Hunt had just come out...
 
Isn't this the same Jack Thompson who tried to sue Wendy's for selling mini toy Wii-motes because Man Hunt had just come out...

Yup, same guy who also attached gay pornography to a deposition he submitted to a judge once.
 
My opinion has nothing to do with it. I play the most violent games ever made. I'm also able to see and understand Jacks reasons for for being so. It's not rocket science.

Just because you understand his reasons for what he does doesn't make either of you right.

And about the quote changing, it was you who complained first, you even took it as insult. Seriously if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Theres a big difference between quote changing and personal attacks.



Even you can see it, but YOU do not fight it like Jack does. Your conditioned to dislike Jack to a point where your consumed by all of this, and wouldn't be caught dead in the same air as Jack. These games are of this place, and not to where your headed.

I do not fight it like Jack does, because I'm not a crazy morality driven sociopath.

Again I see where Jack is coming from, no one wants to admit games are bad. I think they are bad for us as much as i enjoy them.

And I disagree. I think taking your frustrations out on some poor schmuck virtually is a much better outlet than physically.



It's not happening as it should, the world is getting more and more corrupt. That alone indicates that parenting itself is not as discipline as it use to be. What I'm saying is, "simply saying what a parent should do does nothing for the situation". And that is all we hear, is "what parents should do". I don't mean to discredit all parents, there are a large number of parents who raise their children very well by whatever standard they are focusing on. All I'm saying children will access the forbidden entertainment. They know about it, they talk about it, they share it and play it, like may of us did when we were small.

It's all you hear because parents aren't taking the responsibility they need to take. Sex and Violence are only deemed corrupt because of morals. Morals are defined by societies. Repression is a lot more detrimental than being exposed to concepts.



Yes stand for your addiction.

No, I stand for my right to enjoy whatever I like, so long as I'm not hurting anyone.

It's not selfish if the world looked after one another, including the children. The world is far from that though. We're just moving on up aren't we ?

You're right, it's not. But it shouldn't be mandatory.

I had nothing to say about it until you started complain about being insulted, and something along the lines of you expecting me to do so. Again if you can't handle it, don't dish it out.

More garbage from someone who has to retaliate a quote change with a personal attack.

Over all I can step away from preferences and see what "is" and what "is not". Children playing violent games "is", as parents keeping up with what their children are doing, "is not"

I know the games "I" play are very corrupt. I like every other gamer would have been better off without them. I like video games, and like any other gamer, looking back at all the time spent playing the game, could have been spent doing something more productive.

I say games are fucked up. YOU do not disagree. As a matter of fact you say, "They can be as fucked up as they want to be".

My thoughts on Jacks mission are pure. I don't like it cause I LIKE my addiction. I'm not done with gaming yet. But that is no reason to NOT be able to understand his reasons. For starters it's not to be a prick.

Whatever, just admit you're pro-nanny state. Pro-being told how to live your life, what to enjoy, what you're exposed to and get the fuck out of this thread.
 
Just because you understand his reasons for what he does doesn't make either of you right.

This is where you continuously fail. i never said what he is doing is right. I too am a gamer, amazingly i have to tell you that.

Skaw said:
Theres a big difference between quote changing and personal attacks.

You've changed quotes in ways that are a personal attack before. Quote changing in general is ok, but there are times it's mockery. Between you and I, this is not the first time you've done this to me, and when I do it back, you bitch about it and deliver rate downs with insulting comments. Again, if you can't handle the feedback you get from your less thoughtful actions, don't do it the first place.


Skaw said:
I do not fight it like Jack does, because I'm not a crazy morality driven sociopath.

No one said you have to fight like Jack.

Skaw said:
And I disagree. I think taking your frustrations out on some poor schmuck virtually is a much better outlet than physically.

On a spiritual level, it's the thought that matters most.

Skaw said:
It's all you hear because parents aren't taking the responsibility they need to take. Sex and Violence are only deemed corrupt because of morals. Morals are defined by societies. Repression is a lot more detrimental than being exposed to concepts.

That supports Jack's side of the battle.

Violence is very corrupt, it's been proven over and over again. Gaming does glorify violence, and there really are people who aspire to become what they see, even if it's animated.


Skaw said:
No, I stand for my right to enjoy whatever I like, so long as I'm not hurting anyone.

Your right ? Everything you get to do is a privilege, including gaming. If anything we do becomes a source or a cause for breaking laws, that activity/item/whatever it is, can be taken away from you by law.

Skaw said:
You're right, it's not. But it shouldn't be mandatory.

Not mandatory, what was once in our human spirit is no more. It's not a matter of control it's all personal choice. Things are not as good are they use to be, the corruption is very clear. Deeming it mandatory to act a certain way is no solution to a more stable humanity. We're not beings made to be along, the path is a dark one.

Skaw said:
More garbage from someone who has to retaliate a quote change with a personal attack.

Says the one who thinks they can fix what others have to say. You set yourself up for this. Obviously I really hit a nerve with you. Last time you asked me to kill myself and ignored everything I had to say. What type of treatment do you expect in return Skaw ? And I barely did anything to you here. Meanwhile everything i have to say here is still flying over your head. You yourself wrote about some of the corruption aspects, and you have proven you don't care about others except yourself.

Skaw said:
Whatever, just admit you're pro-nanny state. Pro-being told how to live your life, what to enjoy, what you're exposed to and get the fuck out of this thread.

I play Ninja Gaiden more than anything and you want me to "falsely admit" that I'm pro-nanny as you call it. Now tell me, should I admit to being pro nanny ?

I can see where opposing forces are coming from. I acknowledge reasons behind that. I do not become consumed with dread or hate, instead i strive for knowledge. I don't mean to compare myself to anyone, but I think my ways are better than kicking and screaming, and asking others to admit to being something they are not due to someones wishful labeling. You need to learn how to open your eyes, and recognize your ignorance. I can display many examples of things flying over your head, not only from conversations between you and i, but from others.
 
This is where you continuously fail. i never said what he is doing is right. I too am a gamer, amazingly i have to tell you that.

You don't have to directly say it. Being the only person backing him shows it.

You've changed quotes in ways that are a personal attack before. Quote changing in general is ok, but there are times it's mockery. Between you and I, this is not the first time you've done this to me, and when I do it back, you bitch about it and deliver rate downs with insulting comments. Again, if you can't handle the feedback you get from your less thoughtful actions, don't do it the first place.

And I didn't do it to you in this thread, so theres no reason for you to have done it. Good job QQing over a rate down, pussy.


No one said you have to fight like Jack.
Even you can see it, but YOU do not fight it like Jack does.

Anttaru backpedalling? Never had that happen before!

That supports Jack's side of the battle.

No, it doesn't. Jack Thompson has never went after parents for their failings in raising their children. He constantly attacks Rockstar, without any actual reason in several cases. You are very, very misinformed.

Violence is very corrupt, it's been proven over and over again. Gaming does glorify violence, and there really are people who aspire to become what they see, even if it's animated.

And those are the people who weren't taught what happens, or are psychologically unable to keep themselves straight. In either case, it doesn't have to be video games. It doesn't have to be violent video games. It doesn't even have to be a video game marketed to teens or adults.

Your right ? Everything you get to do is a privilege, including gaming. If anything we do becomes a source or a cause for breaking laws, that activity/item/whatever it is, can be taken away from you by law.

Maybe in Canada, but here in America, people have inalienable rights to express themselves freely as long as you're not causing harm to others directly. People have the right to enjoy their expression. If I want to see a staged event where a man gets decapitated from a car doing a barrel roll in midair, I have the right to see it. So long as no ones being hurt in the process.

Not mandatory, what was once in our human spirit is no more. It's not a matter of control it's all personal choice. Things are not as good are they use to be, the corruption is very clear. Deeming it mandatory to act a certain way is no solution to a more stable humanity. We're not beings made to be along, the path is a dark one.

And here's where you prove you're an idiot. Jack Thompson is trying to force censorship. As in make it mandatory.

Says the one who thinks they can fix what others have to say. You set yourself up for this. Obviously I really hit a nerve with you. Last time you asked me to kill myself and ignored everything I had to say. What type of treatment do you expect in return Skaw ? And I barely did anything to you here. Meanwhile everything i have to say here is still flying over your head. You yourself wrote about some of the corruption aspects, and you have proven you don't care about others except yourself.

It's flying over my head because you're the only one believing you're making any sense.

I can see where opposing forces are coming from. I acknowledge reasons behind that. I do not become consumed with dread or hate, instead i strive for knowledge. I don't mean to compare myself to anyone, but I think my ways are better than kicking and screaming, and asking others to admit to being something they are not due to someones wishful labeling. You need to learn how to open your eyes, and recognize your ignorance. I can display many examples of things flying over your head, not only from conversations between you and i, but from others.

I can acknowledge someone coming up with an opposing sentiment, as long as theres actual reasoning behind it and not just scapegoating. You need to learn to actually find out what the people you're defending are actually doing. If saying my eyes aren't open and I'm not aware of my ignorance, thats the pot calling the kettle black. You're the only person defending him here. You're probably the only person in the world defending him while claiming to not be pro-nanny state. You're a laugh riot.
 
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I'm sorry but if a game is an 18 rating (R in America is it?) then why the fuck are parents letting their kid play it? And why are shops selling them to kids?

But no it must be the games companies fault.....
 
I'm sorry but if a game is an 18 rating (R in America is it?) then why the fuck are parents letting their kid play it? And why are shops selling them to kids?

But no it must be the games companies fault.....

R (Restricted) is for movies, TV, etc. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system)

M (Mature) is for games. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board)

But yes it is confusing on why shops are even selling the games to kids, but its even more surprising that some parents are so freaking uncaring that they'll let their kids play M games or see R movies and then bitch bitch bitch on a soccer mom bandwagons.
 
Well in my opinion, if a parent buys their kid a M rated game, they can still guide them so that they don't turn out to be murdering lunatics =P
 
You don't have to directly say it. Being the only person backing him shows it.

I play video games too, very violent ones at that. Why must you express how ignorant you are ? Just because i can see where he is coming from doesn't mean i favor his opinion. You'll do anything to be right won't you.

Skaw said:
And I didn't do it to you in this thread, so theres no reason for you to have done it. Good job QQing over a rate down, pussy.

But you have before, and you need to learn not to do that shit, after the fact. Any idiot knows their boundaries. Funny how it's so dramatic when someone dishes out the same treatment to you.

I don't know what QQing means. But i can imagine it's something rediculis. I don't care about reputation or being rated, I only wished to point out how you insulting me in your rate down is a very weak move, but whatever makes you feel comfortable, like calling people idiot or pussy. Real lame.


Anttaru said:
No one said you have to fight like Jack.
Anttaru said:
Even you can see it, but YOU do not fight it like Jack does.
Skaw said:
Anttaru backpedalling? Never had that happen before!

How is that Back pedaling ? I told you the same thing twice practically. Except the point i was making the 2nd time is that you know there is a problem but you complain when someone see's the side of someone fighting it while you don't give a crap about others. Back pedaling what ?

And if your talking about that Gametrailers thread incident where Tristam posted that bullshit back pedaling remark towards me, it's clear I never did. I stood by what I was saying before and after that. Tristam failed to explain to me how i was back pedaling. If you can explain it, then be my guest.

Skaw said:
It's all you hear because parents aren't taking the responsibility they need to take.
{{{Then I said : "That supports Jack's side of the battle". }}}
Skaw said:
No, it doesn't. Jack Thompson has never went after parents for their failings in raising their children. He constantly attacks Rockstar, without any actual reason in several cases. You are very, very misinformed.

Jack is a practitioner of law. He'll list reasons as to WHY games should not be allowed and that is something that supports his case. Now THAT Skaw, is back pedaling, except your so sure your right you can say anything.

Skaw said:
And those are the people who weren't taught what happens, or are psychologically unable to keep themselves straight. In either case, it doesn't have to be video games. It doesn't have to be violent video games. It doesn't even have to be a video game marketed to teens or adults.

It's THOSE people that have Jack trying to tackle the gaming industry. People who wern't taught, nor were they taught by people who were willing to pitch in. I shouldn't even mention pitching it when everyone believes it's only up to the parents to make sure their children are raised properly. But in the end, if someone like Jack were to succeed the rest of us would end up losing our privileges when it comes to being able to purchase games Legally. Well not the rest of us. This is an American conflict.

Skaw said:
Maybe in Canada, but here in America, people have inalienable rights to express themselves freely as long as you're not causing harm to others directly. People have the right to enjoy their expression. If I want to see a staged event where a man gets decapitated from a car doing a barrel roll in midair, I have the right to see it. So long as no ones being hurt in the process.

American Government expresses themselves really good, and they even treat their own people, and the rest of the world like gold eh ?

Ok that was SORTA uncalled for, just don't "Maybe in Canada" me. The truth about your situation in the states is that your free to talk. If something like video games gets outlawed, it'll not longer be available for purchase. Sad but true.

Skaw said:
It's not everyone elses job to keep your child safe from/educated on concepts you don't agree with.
Anttaru said:
It's not selfish if the world looked after one another, including the children. The world is far from that though.
Skaw said:
You're right, it's not. But it shouldn't be mandatory.
Anttaru said:
Not mandatory, what was once in our human spirit is no more. It's not a matter of control it's all personal choice. Things are not as good are they use to be, the corruption is very clear. Deeming it mandatory to act a certain way is no solution to a more stable humanity. We're not beings made to be along, the path is a dark one.
Skaw said:
And here's where you prove you're an idiot. Jack Thompson is trying to force censorship. As in make it mandatory.

And there's where i prove I am not an idiot. I never said it has to be mandatory for people to have to look after other peoples kids.

Also let me remind you, Just because I see why Jack is attacking the video game industry doesn't mean I'm backing him up.

Skaw said:
It's flying over my head because you're the only one believing you're making any sense.

Keep up the make belief. I pointed out to you before and even showed you how you keep transforming in the midst of topic discussion. seriously dude, screw on your head properly.

Skaw said:
I can acknowledge someone coming up with an opposing sentiment, as long as theres actual reasoning behind it and not just scapegoating. You need to learn to actually find out what the people you're defending are actually doing.

How many times do i have to say, I DO NOT CONCUR WITH JACK. I DO SEE HIS REASONS FOR DOING WHAT HE DOES THOUGH. Again you ignorant dumb fuck, I'm a gamer. My favorite game is bloody Ninja Fucking Gaiden you stupid child.

Skaw said:
If saying my eyes aren't open and I'm not aware of my ignorance, thats the pot calling the kettle black. You're the only person defending him here. You're probably the only person in the world defending him while claiming to not be pro-nanny state. You're a laugh riot.

How can i translate this so you can understand me ... Well, the pot is indeed calling the kettle black. I'm sorry.

I'm done. Have the final say if you wish. At least give me a real good shot this time and speak to me no more. And i mean make it real this time at the least.
 
R (Restricted) is for movies, TV, etc. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system)

M (Mature) is for games. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board)

But yes it is confusing on why shops are even selling the games to kids, but its even more surprising that some parents are so freaking uncaring that they'll let their kids play M games or see R movies and then bitch bitch bitch on a soccer mom bandwagons.
The parents buy them the games, but they're ignorant to what the content of the game actually is.
I remember seeing a comic somewheres where a kid explains off the M on the cover as standing for "monkeys". It's sad, but parents are so ignorant that kids can get away with this.
It'll be interesting when the gamers becomes the parents. We probably won't see these protests as much anymore, because that generation of parents will be much more informed than the previous.
 
I play video games too, very violent ones at that. Why must you express how ignorant you are ? Just because i can see where he is coming from doesn't mean i favor his opinion. You'll do anything to be right won't you.

The problem is, you do not see where he's coming from. You think he's been arguing for something he isn't. He doesn't blame parents, he blames developers, Rockstar especially. Saying I'm claiming the same thing as Jack when I say parents are at fault is completely incorrect.

But you have before, and you need to learn not to do that shit, after the fact. Any idiot knows their boundaries. Funny how it's so dramatic when someone dishes out the same treatment to you.

And? Aren't you the one who tries to "play the bigger man?" Sandy vagina, thats all you are.

I don't know what QQing means. But i can imagine it's something rediculis. I don't care about reputation or being rated, I only wished to point out how you insulting me in your rate down is a very weak move, but whatever makes you feel comfortable, like calling people idiot or pussy. Real lame.

QQing is crying. Ridiculous is spelled Ridiculous. You don't care about being rated but you'll cry about it.




How is that Back pedaling ? I told you the same thing twice practically. Except the point i was making the 2nd time is that you know there is a problem but you complain when someone see's the side of someone fighting it while you don't give a crap about others. Back pedaling what ?

And if your talking about that Gametrailers thread incident where Tristam posted that bullshit back pedaling remark towards me, it's clear I never did. I stood by what I was saying before and after that. Tristam failed to explain to me how i was back pedaling. If you can explain it, then be my guest.

It's back pedalling because you said I don't fight it like Jack does, then said you never told me to fight it like Jack.



{{{Then I said : "That supports Jack's side of the battle". }}}

But it doesn't, because it isn't Jack's side of the battle.


Jack is a practitioner of law. He'll list reasons as to WHY games should not be allowed and that is something that supports his case. Now THAT Skaw, is back pedaling, except your so sure your right you can say anything.

Jack isn't a practitioner of law, since he's bent it so many times like a kid fixing a slinky.

It's THOSE people that have Jack trying to tackle the gaming industry. People who wern't taught, nor were they taught by people who were willing to pitch in. I shouldn't even mention pitching it when everyone believes it's only up to the parents to make sure their children are raised properly. But in the end, if someone like Jack were to succeed the rest of us would end up losing our privileges when it comes to being able to purchase games Legally. Well not the rest of us. This is an American conflict.

No, the people that have Jack trying to tackle the gaming industry are the people who want to shelter their children in isolated bubbles without explaining to them the evils of the world. Again, you're really displaying that you have no idea what you're talking about

American Government expresses themselves really good, and they even treat their own people, and the rest of the world like gold eh ?

Ok that was SORTA uncalled for, just don't "Maybe in Canada" me. The truth about your situation in the states is that your free to talk. If something like video games gets outlawed, it'll not longer be available for purchase. Sad but true.

"Talk" isn't the only form of Speech, dipshit. Freedom of Speech is the freedom to convey your ideas. You're legally entitled to be a Black or White supremecist. You're not legally entitled to kill a White or Black man because you view them as a lesser race. You can follow whatever god or devil you wish, as long as you're not sacrificing any living person or thing in the name of them.

And there's where i prove I am not an idiot. I never said it has to be mandatory for people to have to look after other peoples kids.
I never said you did. I said Jack Thompson is.

Also let me remind you, Just because I see why Jack is attacking the video game industry doesn't mean I'm backing him up.

Backing him up with incorrect reasons.


Keep up the make belief. I pointed out to you before and even showed you how you keep transforming in the midst of topic discussion. seriously dude, screw on your head properly.

It's not a belief, anyone viewing this thread with knowledge of Jack Thompsons actions can tell you that you have absolutely no idea what he's about. Infact, you've been told a couple times already by people other than myself.

As for screwing my head on properly, kinda hilarious coming from a guy who believes aliens taught the mayans about the future.

How many times do i have to say, I DO NOT CONCUR WITH JACK. I DO SEE HIS REASONS FOR DOING WHAT HE DOES THOUGH. Again you ignorant dumb fuck, I'm a gamer. My favorite game is bloody Ninja Fucking Gaiden you stupid child.

Again, the problem is you don't see Jack's reasons for what he's doing. What you think he's for and what he actually is for are two, almost opposite agendas. He isn't fighting to place blame where blame is due, he's trying to scapegoat an indirect source of a problem long plaguing the youth of the world as being the main offender. If you cannot tell the difference, then you're an even more sorry excuse for a person than Jack is. Atleast he has a reason to do it, as the very people that are to blame are the ones filling his pockets.

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These people hire Jack because they do not want Rockstar(or any other developer) to sell their M rated games to children. Last I checked. Developers aren't retailers. They sell their product to Wal-mart, Toys R Us, Gamestop, whatever. Those are the pople selling the games to children. Gamestop and other game specialty stores probably have very strict policies that result in firings so I'm sure maybe 1 person out of tens of thousands of sales sells to a minor If that. Wal-mart and Toys R Us hire octogenarians to work the registers, so they're either ignorant of the rating system and aren't taught about it by their Employer, or people who do not care at all. Again, this comes full circle back to the misinformed/uncaring adult argument.

Yes, some video game developers have online shops. Online shops that require credit cards. Credit Cards require you to either be 18 or older to have, or be on a shared account with someone 18 or older. Which legally makes someone connected to the Credit Card an adult.

Even in a perfect scenario, where all register jockeys do not sell to minors. You'll just have the same thing with alcohol and rated R movies. Minors will pay a random person to either buy it for them, or act as their parent and get them what they want. Something I'm sure a good portion of people here are guilty of doing when they were young. The developer has absolutely nothing to do with minors playing M rated games. End of story.
 
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You want to blame something for the violence in children? Blame pinatas.
Teaching kids from an early age that it's fun to whack human-like figures hanging from a tree.
 
Once again I'm compelled to respond.

The problem is, you do not see where he's coming from. You think he's been arguing for something he isn't. He doesn't blame parents, he blames developers, Rockstar especially. Saying I'm claiming the same thing as Jack when I say parents are at fault is completely incorrect.

That is incorrect, because i never said your saying the same thing as Jack. I said what you said supports Jacks battle. There's a difference. Parents failed responsibilities to secure M rated games from children give credit to Jacks claims.


Skaw said:
And? Aren't you the one who tries to "play the bigger man?" Sandy vagina, thats all you are.

Since when is striving to be better a bad thing ? And what is Sandy vagina suppose to mean ? Is that suppose to be some sick sexist terminology that I'm a female and are below you or something ?

Skaw said:
QQing is crying. Ridiculous is spelled Ridiculous. You don't care about being rated but you'll cry about it.

Just pointing out how rating down + casting rude remarks while at it towards someone your debating with it's a weak move. I understand your insecurities, even more so. If it makes you feel better to say it makes me cry, then so be it, but don't preach falsehoods to others, that isn't right.

Skaw said:
It's back pedalling because you said I don't fight it like Jack does, then said you never told me to fight it like Jack.

Stating how you don't fight it like Jack, doesn't mean I was telling you to go ahead and fight it like Jack. Wow.

Skaw said:
But it doesn't, because it isn't Jack's side of the battle.

Again, Parents failure to keep forbidden entertainment from children, gives credit to Jacks claims. Parents failure in this area are on Jacks side. How hard is that to understand ?

Skaw said:
No, the people that have Jack trying to tackle the gaming industry are the people who want to shelter their children in isolated bubbles without explaining to them the evils of the world. Again, you're really displaying that you have no idea what you're talking about

People who isolate children from the world usually do explain what is good and bad. Unless of coarse, they were raising a criminal.

Skaw said:
"Talk" isn't the only form of Speech, dipshit. Freedom of Speech is the freedom to convey your ideas. You're legally entitled to be a Black or White supremecist. You're not legally entitled to kill a White or Black man because you view them as a lesser race. You can follow whatever god or devil you wish, as long as you're not sacrificing any living person or thing in the name of them.

Supremacist is spelled supremacist.

Marching around displaying your supremacy at any number is merely dictatorship.

Skaw said:
And here's where you prove you're an idiot. Jack Thompson is trying to force censorship. As in make it mandatory.
Anttaru said:
And there's where i prove I am not an idiot. I never said it has to be mandatory for people to have to look after other peoples kids.
Skaw said:
I never said you did. I said Jack Thompson is.

Back pedaling.

Skaw said:
Backing him up with incorrect reasons.

I play violent games, and I'm backing up Jack Thompson ? I told you several times and you still insist I'm backing him up. I acknowledge that some video games are really fucked up. That is all.

Skaw said:
It's not a belief, anyone viewing this thread with knowledge of Jack Thompsons actions can tell you that you have absolutely no idea what he's about. Infact, you've been told a couple times already by people other than myself.

Says the one who insists I'm backing up Jack Thompson.

Skaw said:
As for screwing my head on properly, kinda hilarious coming from a guy who believes aliens taught the mayans about the future.

The response to that is complexed, and can derail the topic of discussion. I've written in detail why I believe the things I do. You shed no light as to why ancient civilizations knew the things they did in terms of being able to track our solar system, dating things like comets and eclipses, and knowing about the solar system in greater detail then we did as we recently learned. If something was heading our way, we'd know how to calculate when it will arrive. That is no prediction, it's math. Same with Mayan calendar, despite the amount of times I've pointed it out, those who debate without substance continue to call the Mayan calendar's scheduled astronomical events predictions.

Skaw said:
Again, the problem is you don't see Jack's reasons for what he's doing. What you think he's for and what he actually is for are two, almost opposite agendas. He isn't fighting to place blame where blame is due, he's trying to scapegoat an indirect source of a problem long plaguing the youth of the world as being the main offender. If you cannot tell the difference, then you're an even more sorry excuse for a person than Jack is. Atleast he has a reason to do it, as the very people that are to blame are the ones filling his pockets.

The industry, namely Rockstar games above anything is the most direct source You seem to think it's the parents are the where blame is due. Taking the parents or the retailers to the courts attention IS NOT cutting the subject by the root. I do not agree with what Jack is really doing. I don't agree with you either.


Skaw said:
These people hire Jack because they do not want Rockstar(or any other developer) to sell their M rated games to children. Last I checked. Developers aren't retailers. They sell their product to Wal-mart, Toys R Us, Gamestop, whatever. Those are the pople selling the games to children. Gamestop and other game specialty stores probably have very strict policies that result in firings so I'm sure maybe 1 person out of tens of thousands of sales sells to a minor If that. Wal-mart and Toys R Us hire octogenarians to work the registers, so they're either ignorant of the rating system and aren't taught about it by their Employer, or people who do not care at all. Again, this comes full circle back to the misinformed/uncaring adult argument.

No need for a lesson in how games are sold. And surely even the court can recognize, that ordinary people working behind the counter don't give a damn either. Over all If it's illegal to sell M rated games, it will not be in the market period.

Skaw said:
Yes, some video game developers have online shops. Online shops that require credit cards. Credit Cards require you to either be 18 or older to have, or be on a shared account with someone 18 or older. Which legally makes someone connected to the Credit Card an adult.

Even in a perfect scenario, where all register jockeys do not sell to minors. You'll just have the same thing with alcohol and rated R movies. Minors will pay a random person to either buy it for them, or act as their parent and get them what they want. Something I'm sure a good portion of people here are guilty of doing when they were young. The developer has absolutely nothing to do with minors playing M rated games. End of story.

Oh I see now, The Developer has absolutely nothing to do with any of us playing the games THEY made, especially the minors.

I'll give you and A+ for effort, but I'll have to fail you.
 
that ordinary people working behind the counter don't give a damn either.
Very, very, very wrong. I've seen kids being unable to purchase an M rated game because they are underaged, or they don't have an ID to show that they are at least 17 years old.
Hell, I've even seen an instance where the clerk explained to a woman what kind of content was in a game (I think it was Manhunt) because she had a child with him.
Saying they don't give a shit? You're speaking out of your ass.
 
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