JP White Mages

Alerith said:
I guess it all comes down to how polite the player is when asking. I always include the word please and say thank you, regardless of wheter they say yes or no. Its proper etiquett.



Ok, so you say everyone should have RR gear.....even the ones who cant afford it or cant even use it due to level restrictions. Yea, that makes sense.

Last I check RR potions, of which there are 2 types, and re-raise scrolls don't have level restrictions. Seriously though, if you wanna keep tossing'em underhanded I'll hit them out every time.
 
Gain said:
Last I check RR potions, of which there are 2 types, and re-raise scrolls don't have level restrictions. Seriously though, if you wanna keep tossing'em underhanded I'll hit them out every time.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!

use your fucking conquest points there not rank needed...

Re-raise in there for 500conquest points look into it
 
No necro involved since what I said back then still stands...I can't help it if not everyone feels like taking 1 whole minute from their exciting lives to raise somebody or drop a cure on someone out of kindness. My comments aren't directed at any one single person, despite what they may think...I didn't aim my original post at anyone and my comments under this one are entirely general. A guilty conscience on anyone's part isn't down to me one way or the other lol.
 
Dont forget, WHM may not be traveling on their own, in which case its not just their time.
 
Tymon said:
you'll get warned or temp banned if you put NA ONLY in your comment, I have been before.

LOL, who's the crybaby that called a GM? Still doesn't phase me, I'd put up NA only in my search comment if I see a JP put up JP only in theirs.
 
Gain said:
Or you can shut your pie hole. You are to cheap to buy/use RR items? To fucking bad. You went at something unprepared and paid for it.

I'm not gonna waste my time helping people fix their problems that they could have easily avoided themselves if they rubbed their last 2 brain cells together. It isn't rocket science that you might end up dying if you try to solo something.


is it honestly that hard to take 10 seconds of your "precious" time to cast a freaking spell?. . .
 
Mypie said:
is it honestly that hard to take 10 seconds of your "precious" time to cast a freaking spell?. . .
I don't think thats what we're debating. If you're soloing under 30 you don't even lose much exp when you die, and if you're soloing above that its your fault for not having Reraise, seriously. I agree its not nice to stop by and cast raise, but she's flaming somebody because they didn't raise her after her mistake of not having RR? Sorry, this screams "cry baby" to me.
 
Omniscientx said:
*Not nice to stop by and not cast raise
No edit >.>

Yeah i wish there was a "Edit" this flame board


Sculli can you hook us up with a "Edit" please
 
Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with a White Mage (or anyone with Raise) -not- Raising someone randomly. Sure, it's nice when someone randomly raises you when they walk by and see you laying there dead, but it's not their job to do it, and expecting to be Raised by a complete stranger, without asking even, is just plain -stupid-. I could understand if they refused to help you, and were rude about it, /laughing as you die or something, there's a reason to flame, but people not taking care of you, a complete stranger to them, when you get in over your head is a bit much to expect.

You have no idea if other people are busy. Sure, a quick Raise may not be that bad, but you really don't know what they were doing. Although slightly off topic (not really though, still dealing with Raise and such), I have to say I hate people that beg for Raises in lowbie areas like Valkurm. Main reason being that they should have thought to set their homepoint if they knew they were going to be partying there. Like getting back a whole 50 experience from a Raise instead of Homepointing is really going to matter in a party at that level, when someone that's raised is pretty much useless for a few minutes, leaving the party unable to get exp properly, when it would be much easier to just Homepoint, get -full- HP and MP back, and be back to your party in a minute or two. The only acceptable reason for a raise in areas like that would be when someone gets aggroed when they enter the area, before they're able to set homepoint. Aside from that, I look at people begging for raises, even fellow party members, as poor players.

When it comes to soloing, and things go wrong, I think it's stupid to get upset over people that don't go out of their way to help you. If you want someone to watch your back, get a party. If you're bored while waiting, do something safer. It's no ones fault but your own that you died, and no one else's responsibility if you die and need a Raise. Sorry, but the White Mage's job is to keep their party members alive, not random strangers.

Besides, you don't know what that WHM was thinking. Maybe they've had just as many bad experiences with Raising people as you've had with WHMs not raising people. I've heard of -many- times when people have been yelled at for Raising someone. At the least, those people could just decline the raise, and thank the person anyways, but it's not always that nice. Don't be judging an entire job class just because of some bad experiences that you may not completely understand.
 
It's courtesy to help someone you come across when you have everything you need at instant access and doing it takes little time. I always Raise2 a person when I happen to come across a dead person. It's the same thing as doing things for others as you would like them doing for you.
 
WHM, RDM, /WHM and PLD spoil other jobs with courtesy raises.
Just like high level spoil low level by saving their butt on call for help.
Just like healers may spoil people with random tossed cures.

You're used to getting that stuff, and it may seem mean when someone doesn't do it, but that's just how it is sometimes. Sometimes people see the death as justified...I mean, you wanted to solo a T, maybe they wanted you to deal with the consequence?

I know I got into a huge arguement over not R3ing a WAR who stole the WHM AF3 NM when I hadto kite it for a bit because of a fluke 900-damage WS on the tank tearing him down. Sorry, but sometimes people just might not be compelled to Raise...
 
They didn't know what it conned to me.. I should have taken it fine, as I said yeah I messed up, but the fact they are a whm... it takes 20 seconds.. if that. I have always raised people when I could.
And Ish, that guy deserved to HP... Plus, I didn't say you owe people R3 just cause youre high level.. a simple R1 on a fallen person.. common courtesy.. I see a lot of names I'm gonna think twice before I raise if I see them though.
 
If it hit for 100s the person could probably tell it conned "high enough to kick your butt" ;)
 
Its not about JP or NA.Its about assholes.The other day a NA asshole ran over my corpse when i died trying to solo one of those undeads in the reef.Just make sure you remember their name... karma is a bich
 
Mishaela said:
If it hit for 100s the person could probably tell it conned "high enough to kick your butt" ;)

Since when do WhM's not have filters? >.> Plus, I could have gotten aggro, either way.. no matter how you look at it.. the WhM was a prick.

Just noticing a trend and pointing out -my- displeasure at it (hence the purpose of this board)
 
Well as it has been said, it is not the raise or the cure that is expected, it's the courtesy. I don't expect you to raise me but, it would be courteous if you did. I don't expect you to cure me and again, it would be courteous if you did. I don't go out of my way to cure or raise people but if I come across someone who looks like they need that assistance I will offer it.

I come across a dead body, I raise it.
I come across a person who is really low on HP, I heal them.
I see a person running from a group of things that will surely kill him, if I am the right job and of sufficient level, I voke and help kill them.

That is they my humanity works. I understand that not all, not even a lot of people are like that. Some people are bitter. They have had hard lives, real life and/or in game, and "exact their revenge" by calling others stupid, unprepared, and therefore undeserving of their assistance. That is their short coming.

It was once said that "if you killed every person in life who has ever done you any kind of wrong, you would be a very lonely person." and of course this would be to each persons version as to what was done to them that they felt was wrong.

Being helpful has brought some good friends into my life. Though, I am not perfect. I am as spiteful as the next person and can hold grudges. I take it out on the people who deserve that from me though, not on others who had nothing to do with the situation.

For example: I was recently solo-leveling my NIN in Rolanberry Fields, with my flag up, so no excuse thinking I was in party. I start fighting a T Smithy, things are going well and as expected it basically became an HP race to see who could take who's HP down the fastest.

All was going well when out of the corner I see a gambler spawn. He wasn't near me so I just kept walking backwards until I felt I was safely out of range.

I see a WHM come into view, the player examines me then goes to attack the gambler, I think cool that will help. The WHM all of a sudden stops and I see that the gambler is heading in my direction, the WHM disengages and watches as the Gambler comes towards me.

As I am walking away from the gamblers direction I defeat the Smithy but all too late since the gambler had already caught a glimpse of me. I am, at this point, down to just under 200hp. The WHM still watching as I am casting shadows and luckily in time since right after the gambler finished casting an -aga spell taking all my shadows and still hitting me for about 40+ hp.

I am practically shitting bricks because I didn't have my two hour ready because I had just used it for a different job earlier. Still no heals. Luckily the gambler wasn't too tough but, in the end I finished the job with only 8hp remaining. At which point the WHM continues to run towards jeuno.

Though, it was not his job to heal me since we did not know eachother or were even in party, it would have been considerate and possibly at some point repaid. Instead, I have found a person who's name I have added to my "Walk past their dead or dying pixels" list.

I wouldn't take this out against any other person, believe me I will get my opportunity and because of my grudge, I will take it out on them.
 
Damiuss said:
That is they my humanity works. I understand that not all, not even a lot of people are like that. Some people are bitter. They have had hard lives, real life and/or in game, and "exact their revenge" by calling others stupid, unprepared, and therefore undeserving of their assistance. That is their short coming.

Just because I may think someone's dumb, or stupid, or a butthole or anything, doesn't mean I won't help them personally (though really, alot of people DO get into trouble from being unprepared and in cases it IS dumb =P If a KS/BC/Mission NM is so crucial, I'm sure you can spare the inventory spot and drag a Vile Elixir or something along as a just-in-case, y'know?).

And contrary to what you say, when I'm going through a hard time in life I tend to do my best to help people MORE, if not just for the sake of keeping my mind occupied...but that's just me.
 
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