Just a couple tips for all the retard melee classes

[Tyrath]

What a douche ... :roll:

what he said... :lol:

 

[Lanien]

What a douche ... :roll:

what he said... :lol:

What he said too :lol: :twisted: :roll:

 

[Miruyasha]

You know for every word you speak, you bring a tear in your god's eyes. In sadness, he realizes it was a mistake to create you.

:shock:
that was cold and uncalled for. when you take the context of a game and justify your anger with not only religion but the "wrongful" creation of a human being you've crossed the line from being a simple jackass to being an overly obsessive one. jesus christ, it's a fucking game, get over yourself and think about what you've just said. you want me to die now? i'm 16 years old dude, i don't know nor do i care how old you are, but your saying that a young life shouldn't have been created just because i'm disagreeing with your opinion ON A GAME. your pathetic

You failed to see the truth, yet you seek it more. You have already failed. Your ignorance is intorable.

If that's too deep for you comprehend let me explain in witch you can understand.

You have crossed the line by isulting me, and arguing with me like you are more experenced at samuari than I am. You are arrogant and ignorant. And don't worry, people have made me look like a fucking dumbass on the flameboards too.

So next time if you want to play with flameboard expect to be flamed, and don't take such a simple and dull insult so personally.

Welcome to flameboards kid. :twisted:

ok, first of all, i never said, nor did i post anything that in any way made it look as though i was a better player than you. second of all, WHAT TRUTH?! third of all, how have i crossed the line by insulting and arguing with you? are you SO much better than everyone else that if we argue with you, suddenly OMFG we've crossed the line! fourth of all, i expect to get flamed if i post ON A FLAMEBOARD. fifth, i can't even believe that you'd call saying "when you speak god cries and in his sadness he realized it was a mistake to create me" a, as you call it, "simple and dull insult". that's not a flame, that's almost blatant disregard of a human life OVER A GAME. and don't even tell me "oh, if you were past 30 you wouldn't have that same attitude". BULLSHIT. i know players who are past 30 who still say the same thing. it's a game, not like it's your life. look at the other flameboard topics that focus on a player in particular; look at the posts. do any of them say ANYTHING about how "god shouldn't have created this person because they suck"? NO, they don't. do you know why? because this is focusing on the players ability (or, as is usually the case, lack thereof), not how they are in real life. compared to you, vang is actually nice. HE focused on matters of the game, unlike you who has the idea that because i "did something wrong" that i shouldn't even be alive

 

[xKronox]

You know for every word you speak, you bring a tear in your god's eyes. In sadness, he realizes it was a mistake to create you.

:shock:
that was cold and uncalled for. when you take the context of a game and justify your anger with not only religion but the "wrongful" creation of a human being you've crossed the line from being a simple jackass to being an overly obsessive one. jesus christ, it's a fucking game, get over yourself and think about what you've just said. you want me to die now? i'm 16 years old dude, i don't know nor do i care how old you are, but your saying that a young life shouldn't have been created just because i'm disagreeing with your opinion ON A GAME. your pathetic

You failed to see the truth, yet you seek it more. You have already failed. Your ignorance is intorable.

If that's too deep for you comprehend let me explain in witch you can understand.

You have crossed the line by isulting me, and arguing with me like you are more experenced at samuari than I am. You are arrogant and ignorant. And don't worry, people have made me look like a fucking dumbass on the flameboards too.

So next time if you want to play with flameboard expect to be flamed, and don't take such a simple and dull insult so personally.

Welcome to flameboards kid. :twisted:

ok, first of all, i never said, nor did i post anything that in any way made it look as though i was a better player than you. second of all, WHAT TRUTH?! third of all, how have i crossed the line by insulting and arguing with you? are you SO much better than everyone else that if we argue with you, suddenly OMFG we've crossed the line! fourth of all, i expect to get flamed if i post ON A FLAMEBOARD. fifth, i can't even believe that you'd call saying "when you speak god cries and in his sadness he realized it was a mistake to create me" a, as you call it, "simple and dull insult". that's not a flame, that's almost blatant disregard of a human life OVER A GAME. and don't even tell me "oh, if you were past 30 you wouldn't have that same attitude". BULLSHIT. i know players who are past 30 who still say the same thing. it's a game, not like it's your life. look at the other flameboard topics that focus on a player in particular; look at the posts. do any of them say ANYTHING about how "god shouldn't have created this person because they suck"? NO, they don't. do you know why? because this is focusing on the players ability (or, as is usually the case, lack thereof), not how they are in real life. compared to you, vang is actually nice. HE focused on matters of the game, unlike you who has the idea that because i "did something wrong" that i shouldn't even be alive

M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R-E

 

[Miruyasha]

you have the sickest sense of humor. i, personally, take an extreme ammount of offense to that, regardless of whether or not its' a metaphore of not. you don't joke about stuff like that. or maybe thats just me. since you DON'T know how i am in RL, safest not to joke about my life being a mistake. i spent 3 years of changing everything in my entire life because of things i brought on myself, so i don't need to be reminded of how much my life used to be, ok?

 

[Almaut]

1. The new Kote goes for 2million BECAUSE ITS DROPPED OFF A LV90 MOB.

There's 2 new types of kote's. The one that's 2 mill drops off a NM in riverne site A-01 which is a lvl 40 capped area. The one that drops off the "LV90" mob is rare/ex and can be killed by a party of 75's. Sorry to butt in, carry on.

 

[Svina]

1. The new Kote goes for 2million BECAUSE ITS DROPPED OFF A LV90 MOB.

There's 2 new types of kote's. The one that's 2 mill drops off a NM in riverne site A-01 which is a lvl 40 capped area. The one that drops off the "LV90" mob is rare/ex and can be killed by a party of 75's. Sorry to butt in, carry on.

Site B-01, lvl 50 capped. Sorry to butt in.

 

[Almaut]

meh, whatever. The NM isn't lvl 90 was what i was shooting for.

 

[ultraseven]

) ) <<--

:shock: sorry, but i just butted in

 

[Synical]

You arent getting out of it that easy vang.
Did you ever for a moment consider that you Don't understand?
Can you tell me, by synopsis of my last post, what I was getting at, and how it applies to you?

It's great how every time you're beaten you use the "Oh, you just didn't understand me" post. Yet in reality it's you that completely skips over other peoples points, and makes counter arguments to things that were never argued in the first place.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=3756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Read the last two pages of that thread. You go off on things that have nothing to do with anything, I break down your post and force you to stay on topic, and you back out of the thread. How many times do you have to "get pwned" and use the same excuses over and over again for you to get it through your head that they just don't work?

this isnt about winning or losing tiya. let me clarify: arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will glance right over things.
Now, mayhap what i said did in fact make no sense to you from your persective. but that Does not mean that there was no sense or truth to the statement. Just that there was none that You saw. WHICH IS MY POINT.
how can i make this any easier? i'm here to help, help me help you.
~Syn

(when stupid is capeable of understanding Why it is stupid, then it ceases to be stupid and Starts Thinking.)

 

[Grieve]

I think vang has become alot of peoples pet projects. Vang, take a look at whos taking an interest in you, and think about what that means. Then think about that in relation to what comes out of your cockholster before it comes out, again, For Your benefit. take a poll vang. ask around. ask HNM lses and dynamis folks, ask them who they think the best NA ranger is. i dont mean ask people who think Neosquall is god (never heard of him outside this board), i mean ask a GOOD crossection of established 75's who have been doing end-game and merit outings for a while now. the question you are asking is "who in your opinion is the best NA ranger"
I'd ask you to post the results here, but i honestly dont trust you to be honest because the sad fact is, the results would destroy your pride. If you get a full crossection of those who have been around, who know their shit, you will get at least half of them saying Synical. You know. the guy you called "lil fella". the guy you claim to be better than. They would, though i know you dont want to believe it, there is noone else playing ranger at the moment who has been asked or has responded to as many random ranger questions, requests for advice, AF help, and so on. notice something here. a question was asked in this thread, a ranger question. You didnt answer it. you didnt even attempt to. Syn did. youre not helpful. You want everyone to do exactly what you think they should all the time with 0 effort on your part to Constructively communicate what it is that they should be doing. I'm kinda in the mood lately to try and help you, and both syn and deci seem to be too. But there is no way better for you to put your foot in your mouth and undermine absolutely ANY valid stance you might have on any issue than the following 2 bits of vang-brand shenanegins:

1. gilga. GILGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was in your list of top rangers on the server. and you got owned for that btw, maybe you missed it, thought id point it out as you and your lap-dog seem to believe that TELLING someone theyve been beaten equates to actual victory. hell, why didnt the french think of that in wwII

2. You respond to posts by what is commonly held to be one of, if not THE top rangers on our server by presuming to condescend to him. Seriously, in terms of all things ranger, youre not even qualified to shine his shoes. Way to torpedo yourself.

a bit off topic, hey, tiya. Weird thing i noticed. why is it that the only point you ever have to make is how badly vang just owned someone?
even when clearly he did not? take the leash off girl, stop humping my leg. i understand friendship and all that, but you could strike out into the vast tracts of originality and bravely pioneer yourself an actual personality, because the weird melding that is TiyAvaNg is really, and i mean really, well..... illogical. as i stated, with the whole informing people theyve been "beaten" or "owned". vang by himself manages at times to be quite lucid, and at others to torpedo himself rather spactacularly, as villarel (i bet vang thinks vills a scrub too) so succinctly put it, "vang put shit in his mouth". but somehow when your oar breaks the water tiya, it ammounts to little more than a galka breaking wind, which i think is the purpose, though why i cant fathom.

<<insert tiyas reply (consisting entirely of quotes from me here)>>

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Vang, you may not read beyond this point, and yes, you do require my permission for pretty much everything.
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tiya. hun. doll. kiddo. c'mere a sec. closer.

closerrrrrrrrrr.

*youre an enabler*
we're trying to fix vang. this is like an intervention. all the people that Really know whats going on got together and decided he was our new case study/pet project so weve been spouting random fuzzy things in his direction to see what he makes of it. Youre getting in the way. I'm sorry dear, but we've just ordered several large and unpleasantly hairy thugs to your general vicinity to break several things which most humans need rather badly. But look on the bright side, its all in the name of science!!

"lancet!"
"scalpel!"
"doctor are you sure this is a good idea?"
"back off man, im a doctor!"
~expanding the boundaries of the digital medium

 

[Direwolf]

All I know about high lvl RNGs is that Reality is something of a Golden God... If he was a RNG and he told me to wear X or do X I would do it even if 20 other ppl told me not to. That guy is rediculiuse, I get an opurtunity to watch him at work, he usualy invites my bro for crap and I get to watch. I do not know anything about this Gilga charachter or w/e.

 

[TiyaKelth]

let me clarify: arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will glance right over things.

Let me clarify for you, Synical: Of course we aren't going to understand things like the above quote, which made no sense. Two seperate thoughts merged into one sentence, it seems.

how can i make this any easier? i'm here to help, help me help you.

Reread the other thread where I broke your post down point by point in the thread I linked you to, and tell me what I missed and how your seemingly offtopic thoughts actually had anything to do with anything. That will help greatly, thanks.

Proof reading your posts would also be a great help. {Thank you.}



Oh noes! I used quotes to break up Synical's post (and I'm about to do the same with Grieve's) to easily address one point at a time and keep my posts organized. I also know how to correctly use paragraphs for the same purpose, which is more than I can say for you.

So Grieve, I was wondering when you'd finally snap from me stealing your amazingly creative insults. You bitchy suckfest attitude shitstain etc. etc. etc.!

hey, tiya. Weird thing i noticed. why is it that the only point you ever have to make is how badly vang just owned someone?

It's time for you to learn how to quote! Quote ONE post of mine from a thread that me and Vang both posted in, where I said "Vang owned you" (Which I've only ever said in one post: You guessed it, the one in this thread!) and didn't also either A) backup one or more of his points, or B) Make one or more points of my own.

If you had bothered to read the thread I linked to, instead of just assuming you knew what it was about, you would see that I was actually trying to get Vang to stfu in it because he was changing the topic.

you could strike out into the vast tracts of originality and bravely pioneer yourself an actual personality

See: http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=5236

Oh ya, I forgot you don't know how to click on a link. See what you do is use your mouse to move the arrowshaped thingy on your screen over top of it, and click the left button on the mouse. Then read.

In the first Vang thread on these forums ever, I recall a random post by this person named Grieve who jumped on the QCDN bandwagon and flamed Vang with a very colorful lol insult, despite knowing nothing about him. I see that you have worked on getting off the bandwagon, which leans both pro-Vang and anti-Vang these days, and are actually (attempting) to back up what you say! {Good job!}

but somehow when your oar breaks the water tiya, it ammounts to little more than a galka breaking wind

In that case, I fart in your general direction.

tiya. hun. doll. kiddo. c'mere a sec. closer.

Blah blah blah, blahblah, I now speak for all of QCDN, blah blah, we all dislike Vang, blah blah, blah blah blah

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=4961

Look at that thread. You can do it, I believe in you!

There's more than one person on there who respect Vang for not being afraid to say what he's thinking. Make a list of those people. Now go through Vang's threads and add to the list the individual people who constantly tell him such, and agree with what he says. The list will grow quite rapidly.

Grieve, do some research before you post, please. You just make yourself look like a tool. I'm sure you won't respond to this, because you "don't have the energy" to do so. Lets see if that becomes your trademark remark when something you say is shown to be wrong.

Syn: "You just didn't understand me, but I'm not going to elaborate!"

Grieve: "I don't have the energy to list two name. Dammit, leave me alone!"

 

[Synical]

You arent getting out of it that easy vang.
Did you ever for a moment consider that you Don't understand?
Can you tell me, by synopsis of my last post, what I was getting at, and how it applies to you?

It's great how every time you're beaten you use the "Oh, you just didn't understand me" post. Yet in reality it's you that completely skips over other peoples points, and makes counter arguments to things that were never argued in the first place.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=3756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Read the last two pages of that thread. You go off on things that have nothing to do with anything, I break down your post and force you to stay on topic, and you back out of the thread. How many times do you have to "get pwned" and use the same excuses over and over again for you to get it through your head that they just don't work?

lol. ok tiya. you want clarification, here it comes, brace yourself. honestly i dont know why im gonna give you the effort, but im kinda bored.
i will point out for you exactly what i mean when i say you havent got a chance of finding your butt with a mirror and a road map, cause it really is kinda obvious.

using that thread you like so much as the entire main of this discourse, ill break it apart for you, and ill do it proper like, somthing you have never done.

Here was your question:

This post was inspired by Yoshindor, more specifically, what I can only assume was his jealousy over my gear. (Although he is not the first to call me a gilbuyer because of my gear)

So my question is:

Why is it so hard for people to grasp that it is possible to make a lot of gil in this game without cheating? Is that nice +1 gear there just to look at? Because if you buy it, surely you must be a cheater.

to which pompidou said:

I wouldn't even say anything if I knew the person bought gil. It's just not a concern of mine. I think it's wrong, but it's none of my business. I only hope the person with the elite gear has the skill to make the gear worthwhile. It's for that reason that I object to people buying entire accounts. While a person might buy gil to make getting that Astral Ring less time consuming, it doesn't bear directly on their skill in a party. If a person buys an entire account, then my life as a level 34 whm is in the hands of a level 34 tank played with the mindset of a level 1 player. It's not just the character that gains experience in a party after all. One time, a person confided in me that he was considering buying gil (and I think already had previously, I can't remember). I only replied not to make that knowledge public, because people frown on that sort of thing. I'd hate to see a nice person ostracised. That said, it didn't affect our being friends or anything. Now if a gil buyer *bragged* about his gear, I would object to that.

hear hear. so far the only fully intergrated voice of reason in this thread.

if you notice, all i did was agree with what someone else said, that was it.
taken in the context that this next post follows somewhat closely to another thread we were playing in, the tone and large nerve-grating reply makes sense.
shall i pick apart a "proper" respone to this before i continue?
ok, i will. However, for readability, and to focous my "reply within a reply" i will include the counter response inside the quote in red text. Consider the red a bit more of a nit-picking "proper" response to what you posted. They are numbered and will be refrenced later so pay attention.

You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!

(#1)first off, let me point out that YOU bring up the change of subject here, and look for a reply to a DIFFERENT topic.
Well tiya, as i pretty much clearly stated in the thread you refrence there, i was simply taking a guess. And it was incorrect. these things happen, i said as much, and i said why i said it. I'm already doing enough spelunking with cut and paste, go find it if you cant remember when i said, yep, took a guess, wasnt right, damn shame too.

(#2)Here, in this thread, with that comment, im simply agreeing with his stance on gil buying, how it affects Me, and how the idea that someone with good gear better have the skill and Honor to back up their shit. sure, vang has skill great. woohoo. so do alot of people that arent less than constructive.

(#3)If you read poms post with the right ideas in mind you can Infer that skill = playing the game, AND Interacting as a person the game. The two, playing skillfully, and interacting skillfully are not the same, yet can not be seperated.
so yeah, i agree with what pom wrote. (which is all i was saying....)


And to counter your first excuse before you even make it: many people in all the 'anti-Vang' threads say that Vang is a very skilled player, so obviously his 'lack of skill' wasn't what prompted you to point your finger at him.

(#4)No you are correct, but i never said vang was a crappy ranger. i pointed my finger at him because hes got a crappy approach.
nothing would have brought his ego down a notch faster than first spouting the crap he spews knocking people for bad gear, poor subs, etc.., then being exposed for buying gil. this is not a hard point to see is it? But..., in case you still missed it, go back and re-read the #3 bit of red text.


You are the exact kind of person that this is thread is about Synical. Vang and you were arguing, and it became apparent that Vang had better gear than you. What do you do? You say: "I highly suspect he buys gil", and then flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion. GJ Syn, I was hoping you'd show up in here so that you could shed light on the other side of the argument.

(#5)this entire argument of yours is Still based on the premice that i accused vang out of some kind of warped jealousy. Sadly, you shoot it down yourself in the same paragraph.
your origional post to this thread was about people being jealous of others gear, so when you say: "You are the exact kind of person that this is thread is about Synical.", you are saying i must have done it out of jealousy.
however, this: "...flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion."
tells me that you Did indeed read my admission (see that other post i cant recall) that i took a guess, and my stated reasons for it.
So how are the two the same?
that they are not i can assure you.

(#6)that instance: person A attempts to de-egofy person B via character assassination.
(somthing i might add you are attempting to do to me in this thread by calling me a hypocrite)
This Instance: person A gawks over the equipment of person B, and decides that person B must buy gil because they are unable to figure out, or are unwilling to put the time into getting large sums of gil.

So perhaps now you can answer my original two questions:

Why is it so hard for people to grasp that it is possible to make a lot of gil in this game without cheating? Is that nice +1 gear there just to look at? Because if you buy it, surely you must be a cheater.

gee tiya. i didnt stay on topic because i was REALLY gunning to go of course here. (#7) i never responded to this question because i simply didnt and dont care about it.
all i wanted to do was agree with pompidou, you brought up all the other crap that forced me to reply to it....

Have a nice day,
Tiya

now a bit of a break before delving back in.





following that post i reply with this:
now keep in mind at the time i was already quite tired of your lack of vision, so i didnt give you much, you didnt as i felt at the time deseve much.
also try to remember that you brought about the topic-jack, not me. I was simply passing through and quite finished after my initial post to the thread. dont worry tiya, it will tie together in the end in a way im sure even you will understand.
ive inserted Blue numbers here which refrence the same Red ones above.

ahahaha I knew this would prod a reaction out of one of you. thanks for being so predictable.
to enlighten you:
I dont have any respect for gil buyers, and not much for sellers either. for some of them its food on the table, but they dont need to be pricks while they do it eh?

1st A fast lesson in arguing tiya. Since rather few people feel opposite my above stated view, it would be Pretty fucking harsh to be a person found out for buying gils wouldnt it?
pretty discrediting? if you dont know what sort of argumentative tactic somthing like that is, well, all i can say is....you slept through the last US election ad campagins.
#3, 4, 5, 6


You know i really have been avoiding blowing my own whistle as it pretty much goes against my principals, but you keep bringing this shit up and leave me little choice.
to the last part of your statement..."so hard to believe blah blah blah"
no its not hard at all. so you have several mils, so do alot of people including myself nevermind what im Wearing. Yet even though im probably equipped as good as a rng Can be (outside of hnm/god rare/ex items) within intelligent reason...you dont see me slighting others do you?
#4, 6

so anser me This one, its more important.


"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"? and trust me.....alot of people "change" and not for the better when they hit 75 and start raking in the cash from hnm/god hunts.
#2

view me as you like tiya, hypocrite im not. if you seriously think i accused vang of buying gil out of Jealousy (lol)...well...not much else i can say other than you need to work on reading tone inflection, and possibly, just Maybe, ask a question if you arent sure you understand rather than jumping to incorrect conclusions....(dont feel bad, we all make mistakes, theres wordplay in this someplace tiya...see if you can tell me where it is)

~Syn

now that our memory has been refreshed, and context preserved, on to your next reply:

Syn, your inability to stay on one topic never fails to amaze me. I considered not replying to this, because none of it addressed what this whole thread, and my last post was about, but what the hell, here we go:

First. What do gilsellers have to do with anything? This is not a gilseller complaint thread, this is a thread where I stated I'm sick of people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread.

everything, nothing. there is a disparaging difference in the way you think compared to me tiya. the world is not black and white, and a gil seller can no more exsist than a gil buyer without the other.
just as skilled playing and interacting, or lack thereof of either of the two still equate to one player.
when i consider somthing, i consider all angles of it. i admit mayhap i dont bother to explain every single tendril of what went into making my thought, but theres a hell of a lot of shit to pull together, and i do expect some Thought from the reader in at least Attempting to pull everything possible together before making a judgment or conclusion.
seriously, the simple addition of gilseller threw you off? you couldnt make the small leap to gil seller/gil buyer, 2 things, same deal? did you see me continue along any sort of gil sellers are ruining the game!!!11 rant? honestly, sometimes you just skip past things i say in my posts and choose to jump on one or two things, ignoring the rest. yet you nit pick somthing as basic as this? see also #7.
as for this "...people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread."
well, its obvious to me that you were still hopped up from the post previous to this one.
so i respond in kind.

1st A fast lesson in arguing tiya. Since rather few people feel opposite my above stated view, it would be Pretty fucking harsh to be a person found out for buying gils wouldnt it?
pretty discrediting? if you dont know what sort of argumentative tactic somthing like that is, well, all i can say is....you slept through the last US election ad campagins.

Next, it took me a few times rereading this to figure out what you were trying to say (and you said Vang needs to take an english class)! Your "above stated view" we can most all agree with. Including myself and Vang. Again, it has nothing to do with anything, and the fact that you pointed your finger at Vang and used that to 'discredit' him is pretty weak, since all it did was show that the only thing you had left to resort to was false accusations pulled out of thin air.


Actually tiya, its pretty common word usage. and not hard to understand if even a freshman lit class has been taken. but thats beside this point, and kinda one of my points.(but i digress)

See :#3, 4, 5, 6 in red. they equate to much the same as that quote bit there, all things considered.
and once again, you go back to the OTHER thread. your tone suggests that was a sore nerve you were still tonguing. you brought it up in your reply post forcing me to respond in kind, how was that 'neither here nor there'?
("You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!")

Or do you mean where i say
"I dont have any respect for gil buyers",
and then append to that
"and not much for sellers either."
simply adding any refrence to a seller renders that entire statement invalid and unbelievably confusing?


I don't care that you're "probably" equipped as good as a rng can be. Does that mean I should point my finger at you and say, "I have a strong suspicion that he buys gil" inorder to discredit you? I don't think so.

But tiya, im not a person in need of an ego bubble burst now, am i? At least, not when it comes to trying to point things out to others for the betterment of them, and the people around them. Now you could ask me "who am I to decide such things?" and that would be valid, and tricky, and not somthing i will tackle in a forum.

"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"?

Again, what does this have to do with anything? I was on the verge of posting the answer (or an answer at any rate), but I'd rather not steer the thread down that very different topic. This time you're going to have to try and stick to one topic, instead of jumping all over the place Syn. Can you handle that? As for changing after people hit 75, again what does that have to do with anything?

Everything tiya. you brought up the Other post refrencing vangs and my discussion more than once here, i simply replied to those, and perhaps had some of that in the back of my mind as i replied here. your question was valid sure. i say one because the second one was nothing more than a rhetorical one. it was not however deep enough to get to a real Meaning. your question gets one of two simple answers:
1. theyre to lazy, or find it too dreary to farm/craft for several hundred hours in order to attain the large amts of gil needed to get such things.
2. theyre too young or unable to understand and get into the dynamics involved in locating and maintaining a gil source in the game economy.
thats basic. doesnt even take a minute to come up with the "why" of it.

now for mine.
answer it. you didnt. just like i didnt answer yours.
ill make you a deal, since i have now answered yours, answer mine. and after you do ill read your thoughts over, and add any of my own.



I will gladly continue to view you as a hypocrite, until you stop acting like one. Again, you agree with Pompidou, who says he wouldn't say anything about someone buying gil even if he knew it was fact, yet you throw out that accusation against someone that's easily proven to not buy gil. Tell me how that isn't hypocritical?


its pretty simple, but first you need to let me step back from this time-warp and come to the present date. keep in mind now some other peoples posts to vang. keep in mind grieves intervention comment.
now step back again to this past date and look again at what i was doing, and let me say that i will do my best to take down any fool that lashes out with brash remarks with no real solutions.
then, was it from your perspective demeaning of someones hard work? perhaps, but I didnt know whether or not he bought gil, and honestly didnt and dont give a shit if he did or what he wears. that wasnt what i was getting at.
my point was not do you buy gil, it was "you bash so many others, lets see if you have the Right to do so." a simple tool being used to probe.
NOT a factor of my personality, or character.
i do believe that was the first time ive ever "pointed a finger" for such a thing.

now if i walked up to any random person in jueno (perfect stranger) and examined him, saw all of his mils in gear on, and began to accuse him of buying gil, or ask him how much real money he spent on all of it, if i did that Even Once, then yes, you would be correct. As it stands i have not. if you take me accusing vang Out of Context, and Remove Reason, then yes, from that particular standpoint i suppose i would be.
that is the rather simple reason its was not a hypocritical action.

Your last bit about making mistakes and not understanding made me laugh. NOT ONE SENTENCE of your post fully addressed any part of this thread. This is NOT the same thread as your argument with Vang, and when I brought up that thread, I used it in reference to the topic in this thread. You, on the other hand, went off on all sorts of irrelevant subjects from the other thread.

just to point out your first reply to me contained vangs name 5 times, the second one 3. -_- (me = 1)
nothing from that thread was any less irrelevant to this one, than it was to that one.
you say:
"You know, like you did in Vang's thread"
but you take the entiere thing out of context, which i hope i made a bit more clear just above?
by having a tone such as that, and this:
"You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!"
and this:
"and it became apparent that Vang had better gear than you. What do you do? You say: "I highly suspect he buys gil", and then flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion"
you in fact Infer the entire past thread into this one. its simpe law, you present a piece of evidence, yet the manner in which it is presented takes it out of context and makes it look worse than it is. that opens the door to me, for bringing forth the situation behind the evidence.
as for me not addressing your post directly anyplace in here? i did, in my Very first post.
anything that followed was a response to a direct instigation by you, and no had nothing to do with people getting poked by others and being accused of buying gil.



So, Syn, next time stick to the topic, or don't expect a response.

As for my very last post into That thread, yea, it had nothing to do with anything. but your so much like a child really. I really didnt think you deserved the effort required to point out your errors.



now that were up to date, on to your most recent post:

let me clarify: arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will glance right over things.

Let me clarify for you, Synical: Of course we aren't going to understand things like the above quote, which made no sense. Two seperate thoughts merged into one sentence, it seems.

how can i make this any easier? i'm here to help, help me help you.

Proof reading your posts would also be a great help. {Thank you.}

perfect example right here tiya.

but first, a few questions, i need you to read them, then contemplate them, and if the mood strikes you, even post back an answer to them.

What do you think makes a strong community?

Which is better, a fool that knows everything, or a wise person that knows nothing?

Who would you trust your life with in a situation that Could mean you die, someone that earned respect, or someone that Says they deserve it?

Do you ever think about strangers you pass by on the street, just faces, not even a name, and wonder "has this persons actions ever, indirectly, influenced my life?".


now look again at this (single btw) thought(added a "tend to" to clean it up a bit):

"arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will tend to glance right over things."


and consider the some of the elements that you (should) have thought about in thinking about the other questions.

consider the fact that everyone is in some way connected, and in some manner has impact on the lives of people that they have never met, dont know exsist, and are hundreds of miles away.

now think about some of the things ive said on this forum.
consider ffxi and its community of players, who Have met, albeit only through text on a screen.
consider what importance that has.

the "scrubs", the "l33t", the "average players", whathave you. the person that is skilled at this game has just as much to gain in Teaching, as the less skilled have to gain in Learning about ffxi. And have as much to offer themselves when given the chance.

as for you, and your friend, you both tend to block eh?
or glance past things that are meant to stir thoughts of connectivity, and how it may apply to yourselves personally.

like vang you tend to stoop to being condensending far to often. you could be better than that, but you never let enough honesty come out for me to tell if you have potential or not.

do try to answer that question from the old post i presented, i think it would do you good.
sure, theres times to focus directly on ingame stuff to flame to no end. However, alot of times, i believe most of these "flames" are avoidable before they begin if you simply have the proper mindset. The only problem is, in ffxi like in our daily lives, some people just dont give a shit. i also believe however, that Those types DO give a shit, they just cant Admit it.
(and then sometimes theres just total self-serving Assholes, whom deserve not the time of day, and unlimited flame posts.

Reread the other thread where I broke your post down point by point in the thread I linked you to, and tell me what I missed and how your seemingly offtopic thoughts actually had anything to do with anything. That will help greatly, thanks.

if theres anything else i can do let me know.

~Syn


(oh yea, i really dont reccomend trying to get into a grammar fight with grieve, you wont win)

 

[Grieve]

Thats all you had to say Tiya? I honestly have to admit, much as i expected pretty much nothing interesting from you, i'm still deeply disapointed. I suppose i shouldnt be. I see that the mention of you quoting me got your goat, as it were, as i thought it would, but what can one expect of a boston terrier whose mind is overwhelmed by something marginally clever and original. anyway, on to what i assume you intended to be crushing and cleverly presented "points", and i shall adress them without quoting you at all just to piss you off. Or perhaps i really Dont know how to quote, despite the fucking button right there that has "quote" printed on it, i bet youd find that easy enough to believe.

You would like me to quote one post of yours where you said vang owned someone. Why would i do that? if youll actually rub the shit out of your eyes hun and LOOK at what you quoted me as saying, i did not actually enclose "vang just owned someone" in quotation marks. Now in the real world, this means that i was not attributing that exact phrase to you, but rather the general meaning thereof. there are plenty of instances, in this thread even, where you tell people theyve been "beaten". Out of the blue.
Thank you btw for this informative piece of information, as apparently the rest of us are too stupid to Apprehend your inimitable wisdom. Color me underwhelmed. the rest of that bit is you humping some wonderful thread wherein you made no contribution whatsoever to humanity as a whole, and how i am somehow lessened for not having exhaustively pored over it with a fine toothed comb. i stand properly chastened.

Your next bit is about the wonderful pioneering metaphor wherein i suggested you carve for yourself a personality aside from vangs watchdog. to this fairly clever and nicely worded personal insult, you responded with a shockingly inoffensive technical insult implying that i dont know how to click a link. btw. i didnt click the link. did you really think i would? Cant you think of anything original to type in your own defense? You'd rather just save yourself the time and effort of trying to make a point, and then call That making a point? /shrug, and you call ME lazy.

Next up on the dockett we have your reaction to my 1st post in response to vangs existence, which you see as bandwagon jumping from a "random" person. of course i'm a fucking random person you wretched nit. This is an internet forum. We are all Random people. An incident was reported, RANDOM people chimed in with their feelings on the situation, pro and con. In case what little brain you have fell out of your head this morning let me remind you that that is Precisely what goes on around here and the purpose of these boards. It must be difficult to think with all that shit in your mouth. The people responding to that thread were offering their opinions of the incident described therein, and then vang posted, and people, in the true spirit of the flame board, lit him on fire. Again, the purpose of this forum. HE provided the fuel for the fire with his arrogant attitude, and what i posted was due to the fact that i cant stand arrogant little shits. especially when they really are Little Shits. What everyone else was posting had no impact whatsoever on my post, the tone thereof, or the manner in which it was presented. I dont give a flying fuck what other people think of vang, i think his attitude sucks balls on a stick and that he probably does as well. Which also covers the part where you tell me to make a list of people who respect vang etc blah blah blah. Fuck vang. His attitude is shit and 20 million in gear cant cover it. and hes a fucking quitter too. go cry.

The next part was actually funny, where you farted in my direction. cheers. no response needed.

The next instance is you Mis-quoting me, very clever, i could probably sue you for that you know. You didnt get the humor in that part at all? Really?
I'm not surprised, oh well. Yeah, that was condescending of me wasnt it? It was supposed to be. You have nothing to say to that so you didnt even bother to quote the whole thing. damn shame, it was funny. And your marginal response thereto pretty much validates my point, that you are vangs dog, as that part of my post was directed....... at.......YOU, and had no bearing on vang. In fact, if read with Comprehension ( something that as someone else has patiently been trying to point out, totally eludes you)
it likened Vang to a personage of importance, and You to a hanger on or toady of some sort. I imagine that would be rather complementary to Dingleberry's astoundingly large ego. Sailed right past you though didnt it.

Then the next part is you telling me to do research and that i made myself look like a tool. Could be, i do that sometimes. thats the difference between ME, and YOU and VANG. Neither of you EVER makes a tool of yourself. Right? even when youre wrong, its someone elses fault because youve been right in this other thread over here that noone really read because it wasnt interesting and buried in the archives and left to choke to death. But since we all missed it, You've been self-effacing enough to plaster weird blue-linkie thingies to all of them all over your post, which i cant seem to figure out how to make work...... How do i do that again? However. In this instance i did not make myself look like a tool, as with this very sentance you make my point for me. Herein, you once again inform someone that Your post (or one of vangs) has owned them. figuratively speaking. By stating that i need to do research and made myself look like a tool, you are stating that your preceding post in fact was so wonderfully persuasive that all my questions and insults and comic nonsenseries were clearly and irrevocably the result of disinformation lies and innuendo, and in no way based on My Own Observations in this thread and a few others. If youve forgotten, i began the part pertaining to you by saying "something i noticed". Anyway, thank you for pointing out to me that i was beaten, i never would have figured it out on my own since you managed not to actually Say anything new or informative or even ORIGINAL which was the entire point i was making to begin with.

I say "tiya why are you such an unoriginal fuck?"
Tiya directs me to old posts. And old threads. Thats not original. thats the behavior of an unoriginal fuck who cant be bothered to think up anything clever or marginally interesting.

Then you attribute wonderful quotes, intimating life philosophies for myself and Mr. Synical, which are wonderful from your point of view, very clever indeed. Sadly untrue, as i replied at great length (as are all my posts), and syn has tried over and over to get you two to Fucking stop and think about your attitudes and the end results thereof. Its not his fault your skull is made of brick and your brain of rice pudding, but You'd LIKE it to be wouldnt you? and as for me, i said it before: I make a tool of myself frequently, and i admit it freely. Sometimes i see it coming and avoid it, sometimes i walk into it and insert foot in mouth. Sometimes i just know better than to continue an argument which is like a 4 year old's saying "my dad's taller than your dad!". Sometimes i just dont give a wet slap. Whatever my motivation for doing or not doing something, at least this much is true about me: Ill admit when im wrong. You: cant dont wont would rather choke to death on a burning rat and light yourself on fire than ever even consider the fact that you maybe just might possibly oh so terrifyingly..........be wrong. It goes like this:

Vang posts on flameboard, a valid point with a bunch of screaming, crying, generalisations, basically NOTHING that hasnt been said Long before by others. Noobs, gimps, etc. Nothing new. But he gives "Vangness" to it. Which means hes such a prick, that almost everyone will read the thread. Now you say that people are all respecting vang because of what he says. Its all been said before. By Keits usually. So in fact, VANG is jumping on the bandwagon. And you are bandwagonning a bandwagonner. take that.

Anyway, once vang posts, everyone responds, agree, disagree, etc, then someone actually has the gall to suggest that someone should try to come up with a SOLUTION! whoa. Rather than just bitching impotently like everyone has been doing since the flameboard came to be. Now this is not a New idea, everytime a good thread on noobs or gimps gets going, someone spokes their oar in and suggests that screaming "you fucking suck noob go choke" is no way to get a lvl 15 warr/whm to realise that its a bad job combo. This i have to agree with. Can you disagree with that?
Dunno. Youve never tried. both you and vang simply respond to whoever posts that revolutionary thought by in essence telling them They suck and can go choke as well. Weird social skills, whered you guys learn that, kindergarten? And this is the crux of why you guys get such negative feedback for posting such blandly acceptable and agreeable thoughts.

Bitch. complain. whine. piss. moan. "hey maybe we can Do something about that, you think?" Your little kill lights come on. what the hell is with you guys? Thats why i keep posting. i wanna learn more about that mentality. well, and i secretly like it when you hump my leg. But that'll be our little secret. :wink:

 

[TiyaKelth]

Let me start off by saying very good post Syn. That's what I wanted you to do from the start (though I wasn't expecting such detail). Now I understand from your standpoint how it can be seen as relevant to the discussion at hand.

Also, after responding to the first few points I'm going to put a disclaimer here not to expect my usual perfect quoting... this is getting complicated

You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!

(#1)first off, let me point out that YOU bring up the change of subject here, and look for a reply to a DIFFERENT topic.

Yes, I bring up something from a different thread. Something that completely pertained to the topic, and actually helped inspire said topic.

I believe the reason you said it came in the post after this original one - to deflate his ego. More on that later.

(#2)Here, in this thread, with that comment, im simply agreeing with his stance on gil buying, how it affects Me, and how the idea that someone with good gear better have the skill and Honor to back up their shit.

This is what I mean about offtopic. The blame half goes to Pom, yes, but he brought up these points in a way that pertains to his opinion about accusing someone of being a gilbuyer. But at this point you simply said I agree. So you agreed with the slightly offtopic part that was supporting his point that was ontopic, but not with his actual point. Gotcha.

(#4)No you are correct, but i never said vang was a crappy ranger. i pointed my finger at him because hes got a crappy approach.
nothing would have brought his ego down a notch faster than first spouting the crap he spews knocking people for bad gear, poor subs, etc.., then being exposed for buying gil.

Right, now that we see your reason for pointing your finger at him, the quote from me is irrelevant.

A question for you now. Did you think he'd respond, " You caught me?" and that would bring his ego down? Your point #6 would suggest that you were you hoping that rumor would travel fast that Vang buys gil? So you were spreading a lie to pull his ego down? I don't think that you'll say that was it, and it doesn't sound like you, but that's how #6 makes it sound. I'm just not seeing how else pulling a meaningless accusation out of thin air that is very obviously incorrect was supposed to pull his ego down. If anything I think it turned more people against you (as shown by all the posts agreeing that people who point fingers and say gilbuyer are annoying at best).

(#5)this entire argument of yours is Still based on the premice that i accused vang out of some kind of warped jealousy. Sadly, you shoot it down yourself in the same paragraph.
your origional post to this thread was about people being jealous of others gear

No, no it wasn't. My original post in the thread was about people pointing fingers at others accusing them of being gilbuyers. I said I assume that in Yoshindor's case it was jealousy. Then at the end of the post I ask why people can't grasp the fact its possible to make gil in this game without cheating. Keep in mind the post topic, and read that question again. I'm trying to find the reason people point their fingers and say "Gilbuyer".

all i wanted to do was agree with pompidou, you brought up all the other crap that forced me to reply to it....

I brought up that you accused Vang of gilbuying. You seem to think that that meant this thread was now the Vang thread.

everything, nothing. there is a disparaging difference in the way you think compared to me tiya. the world is not black and white, and a gil seller can no more exsist than a gil buyer without the other.

when i consider somthing, i consider all angles of it.

That's nice, I agree with you. But we weren't considering actual gilbuyers here either. We were considering people throwing it around as an insult (which it is). Now I understand what you were getting at about gilbuyers being a pain, and then you followed up with how discrediting being found out to be a gilbuyer would be. Again I agree. But throwing gilsellers into the mix isn't simply considering an angle of something, its considering an angle of an angle of your own thought. However, as you say, it was simply one line in a post, and I blew it out of proportion to show one way in which you trail off topic.

as for this "...people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread."
well, its obvious to me that you were still hopped up from the post previous to this one.
so i respond in kind.[/color]

Don't pull my posts out of context and twist the wording. What I actually said was:

"I will gladly continue to view you as a hypocrite, until you stop acting like one. Again, you agree with Pompidou, who says he wouldn't say anything about someone buying gil even if he knew it was fact, yet you throw out that accusation against someone that's easily proven to not buy gil. Tell me how that isn't hypocritical?"

Self explanatory.



I don't care that you're "probably" equipped as good as a rng can be. Does that mean I should point my finger at you and say, "I have a strong suspicion that he buys gil" inorder to discredit you? I don't think so.

"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"?

-My answer: Because people with elite gear and mils in gil are obviously dedicated to their job. They've done the research. They've looked into every nook and cranny of their job. What would some n00b in gear half as good as them who obviously doesn't care to be the best they can be have to offer?

A note: I'm not one of said people, I will take criticism in any form, and if I feel that it's good criticism, I will apply what I learnt. I simply understand the mindset.

you brought up the Other post refrencing vangs and my discussion more than once here, i simply replied to those

This, again, is where you're confused. Bringing up one point from another thread isn't the same as bringing up the whole thread. You replied to things going on in the thread, not to the point I brought up.

now for mine.
answer it. you didnt. just like i didnt answer yours.

I didn't answer yours because it was offtopic. You didn't answer mine because you were too busy trying to pull the Vang thread into that one. See the difference?

i do believe that was the first time ive ever "pointed a finger" for such a thing.

I'm guessing it will be the last time also. 8)

now if i walked up to any random person in jueno (perfect stranger) and examined him, saw all of his mils in gear on, and began to accuse him of buying gil, or ask him how much real money he spent on all of it, if i did that Even Once, then yes, you would be correct. As it stands i have not. if you take me accusing vang Out of Context, and Remove Reason, then yes, from that particular standpoint i suppose i would be.

I have a question. What was the basis of your accusation? I now know the purpose, but what did you base it on? His gear and gil? Obviously. Then you accuse him of buying gil. The only difference between what you did and what you described is that one is ingame, and one is out of game. That's it, nothing else.

just to point out your first reply to me contained vangs name 5 times, the second one 3. -_- (me = 1)
nothing from that thread was any less irrelevant to this one, than it was to that one.

That's nice. I wasn't aware that I wasn't supposed to use his name when talking about something that directly involved him. You do realise that bringing up one point involving He Who I Shall Not Name isn't the same as bringing up every point involving him, right?

As for my very last post into That thread, yea, it had nothing to do with anything. but your so much like a child really.

Yeah, it was rather childish for me to break up your post in a logical way. It wasn't childish at all to purposely start posting way off topic (as you admit you did) just because you didn't want to reply. Not at all.

"arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will tend to glance right over things."

It wasn't the thought itself that doesn't make sense, its the sentence structure that is illegible. Arguing with people like that (me, apparently) will what? Is what? Did what? Your sentence is incomplete. I understand the insult you're trying to throw at me, which I could easily reverse and throw back at you, but it sounded like you were getting at something else. Guess I was wrong.



I'm sure I missed some things, I tried not to repeat myself too often by responding to the same point multiple times in the post, but I'm pretty sure by cutting stuff out I missed one or two things that I should have responded to. Feel free to bring them to my attention so I can respond. Flame me for missing them, if you wish.

Time to read Grieve's post and respond to it in another post. Stay tuned :wink:

 

[Direwolf]

Holy shit these are long posts about a subject that esccapes me completely.

 

[Phraust]

I like Jellyfish, they look neat.

 

[vang]

Grieve you are a joke bro, are you really that bitter about being a nobody in the game? You and Syn have it out for me which is flattering to say the least but the envy must stop. I am tired of the both of the you, you do nothing but post on my behalf, usually half winded attempts to down me. 90% of the time like T said, you're too tired. (First NA job to 75 Grieve? Oh that's right you didnt know, but it's not important huh Grieve?) or I don't understand your 4 page posts of philosophy you shove in my face and leave me there to sift through and decypher all the garbage. (Syn)

Maybe that's why no one ever backs you idiots up, because no one can understand you. Every think of that? Im sure if i spewed erratic nonsense in my posts and then acted like everyone was stupid who did not understand it, i could "PWN" everyone like you guys do. Ya got me.

20 million in gear does not need to hide anything, I am who I am. Obvsiously old schoolers like you or Syn never did anything about the disgusting level of gimps when you were my level which is why there are so many chump level 70's nowadays for your "HNMLS" to pick from.

I have had many agree with me, and have had many wisen up to the game and "team play". If we want to talk about contribution let us talk about that. Let's talk about me not partying with people until their gear was appropriate or their subjob was leveled, pushing lazy people to the back of the bus.

Oh and it's a growing trend too grieve, many others are doing the same. We don't suck it up like you "old schoolers" did just so we can settle for 3k an hour to "GET 2 75!!!1111" faster. Maybe that's why most of the "new class" of level 70's are weak. Because they didn't have an asshole like me to deal with and "waken" up.

Who ever said I was going to stop Ranger all togethor? I love being a Ninja and like to level other jobs. I guess Im guilty of not being focused to take one job to 75 asap. I apologize.

Yes my Ranger list was made in haste, and after the feedback i do regret even putting it up and some of the rangers on there I should have thought about more carefully. But do not mistake it, I did not make that a "TOP RNG" list, like you all make it out to be. I simply made it a "Some of the best" list. Big difference. So if it makes you feel good:

Crusty old schooler, has beens - 1
Vang - 376 or so

I will leave you with this, every generation should take a bit of responsiblity for the generation below them. Judging by alot of mid to high 60's players I have seen, you guys must have been sleeping. It's obvious you have not offerend ANYTHING to these players. I might be a prick, but my voice is heard, and i get responses. You have did nothing but sit back and complain about the new blood high levels.

So keep mumbling gil buyer under your breaths guys when myself or Tiya walks buy, it's a compliment anymore. By the way, if you honestly think i give a rat's cock about what HNM LS will accept me by my actions now you are sorely mistaken. Would i accept an invite by a great HNM LS opposite of Syn's? Yes i probably would. But if you think with my drive, my friends, (who are mostly top NA NM campers, DD's and Tanks with disgusting patience, and great planning ability. Not to mention a sick voke speed) and our funding that I couldnt with the help of them form one of the greatest end game shells and simply dominate like we do at everything else then I apologize for your ignorance.

I respect the end game shells and MOST of the players, but you 2 are sad, petty and out and out jealous of me. Yes, that's right, I said it again. Jealous.

Have a nice day. :wink:

 

[Grieve]

just a quick note tiya, on a question you asked syn about where the basis for his thinking vang bought gil. I think i can tell you where that came from, i had the same thought at the time. I recall vaguely vang posting about how he would not level without his ebow and that he was currently saving up for it. then 2 days or so later his name is on the buy list. I check things like that for no real reason every now and again, i like to keep track of price changes in high-selling items with an eye for a chance at a long term investment. looking through all the other high list items, i noticed the lack of vang under a seller list for peacock charm or crosscounters or anything of the like, any way to raise several million in the course of a few days. Therefore immediate assumption: IGE. Not totally unreasonable, given those rather exacting circumstances, but i am glad to hear it was an untrue assumption. But how can one know without asking?