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Lanien said:What a douche ... :roll:
what he said... :lol:
Lanien said:What a douche ... :roll:
Tyrath said:Lanien said:What a douche ... :roll:
what he said... :lol:
xKronox said:Miruyasha said:xKronox said:Miruyasha said::shock:xKronox said:You know for every word you speak, you bring a tear in your god's eyes. In sadness, he realizes it was a mistake to create you.
that was cold and uncalled for. when you take the context of a game and justify your anger with not only religion but the "wrongful" creation of a human being you've crossed the line from being a simple jackass to being an overly obsessive one. jesus christ, it's a fucking game, get over yourself and think about what you've just said. you want me to die now? i'm 16 years old dude, i don't know nor do i care how old you are, but your saying that a young life shouldn't have been created just because i'm disagreeing with your opinion ON A GAME. your pathetic
You failed to see the truth, yet you seek it more. You have already failed. Your ignorance is intorable.
If that's too deep for you comprehend let me explain in witch you can understand.
You have crossed the line by isulting me, and arguing with me like you are more experenced at samuari than I am. You are arrogant and ignorant. And don't worry, people have made me look like a fucking dumbass on the flameboards too.
So next time if you want to play with flameboard expect to be flamed, and don't take such a simple and dull insult so personally.
Welcome to flameboards kid. :twisted:
ok, first of all, i never said, nor did i post anything that in any way made it look as though i was a better player than you. second of all, WHAT TRUTH?! third of all, how have i crossed the line by insulting and arguing with you? are you SO much better than everyone else that if we argue with you, suddenly OMFG we've crossed the line! fourth of all, i expect to get flamed if i post ON A FLAMEBOARD. fifth, i can't even believe that you'd call saying "when you speak god cries and in his sadness he realized it was a mistake to create me" a, as you call it, "simple and dull insult". that's not a flame, that's almost blatant disregard of a human life OVER A GAME. and don't even tell me "oh, if you were past 30 you wouldn't have that same attitude". BULLSHIT. i know players who are past 30 who still say the same thing. it's a game, not like it's your life. look at the other flameboard topics that focus on a player in particular; look at the posts. do any of them say ANYTHING about how "god shouldn't have created this person because they suck"? NO, they don't. do you know why? because this is focusing on the players ability (or, as is usually the case, lack thereof), not how they are in real life. compared to you, vang is actually nice. HE focused on matters of the game, unlike you who has the idea that because i "did something wrong" that i shouldn't even be alive
Miruyasha said:xKronox said:Miruyasha said:xKronox said:Miruyasha said::shock:xKronox said:You know for every word you speak, you bring a tear in your god's eyes. In sadness, he realizes it was a mistake to create you.
that was cold and uncalled for. when you take the context of a game and justify your anger with not only religion but the "wrongful" creation of a human being you've crossed the line from being a simple jackass to being an overly obsessive one. jesus christ, it's a fucking game, get over yourself and think about what you've just said. you want me to die now? i'm 16 years old dude, i don't know nor do i care how old you are, but your saying that a young life shouldn't have been created just because i'm disagreeing with your opinion ON A GAME. your pathetic
You failed to see the truth, yet you seek it more. You have already failed. Your ignorance is intorable.
If that's too deep for you comprehend let me explain in witch you can understand.
You have crossed the line by isulting me, and arguing with me like you are more experenced at samuari than I am. You are arrogant and ignorant. And don't worry, people have made me look like a fucking dumbass on the flameboards too.
So next time if you want to play with flameboard expect to be flamed, and don't take such a simple and dull insult so personally.
Welcome to flameboards kid. :twisted:
ok, first of all, i never said, nor did i post anything that in any way made it look as though i was a better player than you. second of all, WHAT TRUTH?! third of all, how have i crossed the line by insulting and arguing with you? are you SO much better than everyone else that if we argue with you, suddenly OMFG we've crossed the line! fourth of all, i expect to get flamed if i post ON A FLAMEBOARD. fifth, i can't even believe that you'd call saying "when you speak god cries and in his sadness he realized it was a mistake to create me" a, as you call it, "simple and dull insult". that's not a flame, that's almost blatant disregard of a human life OVER A GAME. and don't even tell me "oh, if you were past 30 you wouldn't have that same attitude". BULLSHIT. i know players who are past 30 who still say the same thing. it's a game, not like it's your life. look at the other flameboard topics that focus on a player in particular; look at the posts. do any of them say ANYTHING about how "god shouldn't have created this person because they suck"? NO, they don't. do you know why? because this is focusing on the players ability (or, as is usually the case, lack thereof), not how they are in real life. compared to you, vang is actually nice. HE focused on matters of the game, unlike you who has the idea that because i "did something wrong" that i shouldn't even be alive
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1. The new Kote goes for 2million BECAUSE ITS DROPPED OFF A LV90 MOB.
Almaut said:1. The new Kote goes for 2million BECAUSE ITS DROPPED OFF A LV90 MOB.
There's 2 new types of kote's. The one that's 2 mill drops off a NM in riverne site A-01 which is a lvl 40 capped area. The one that drops off the "LV90" mob is rare/ex and can be killed by a party of 75's. Sorry to butt in, carry on.
TiyaKelth said:Synical said:You arent getting out of it that easy vang.
Did you ever for a moment consider that you Don't understand?
Can you tell me, by synopsis of my last post, what I was getting at, and how it applies to you?
It's great how every time you're beaten you use the "Oh, you just didn't understand me" post. Yet in reality it's you that completely skips over other peoples points, and makes counter arguments to things that were never argued in the first place.
http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=3756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
Read the last two pages of that thread. You go off on things that have nothing to do with anything, I break down your post and force you to stay on topic, and you back out of the thread. How many times do you have to "get pwned" and use the same excuses over and over again for you to get it through your head that they just don't work?
Synical said:let me clarify: arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will glance right over things.
Synical said:how can i make this any easier? i'm here to help, help me help you.
Grieve said:hey, tiya. Weird thing i noticed. why is it that the only point you ever have to make is how badly vang just owned someone?
Grieve said:you could strike out into the vast tracts of originality and bravely pioneer yourself an actual personality
Grieve said:but somehow when your oar breaks the water tiya, it ammounts to little more than a galka breaking wind
Grieve said:tiya. hun. doll. kiddo. c'mere a sec. closer.
Blah blah blah, blahblah, I now speak for all of QCDN, blah blah, we all dislike Vang, blah blah, blah blah blah
TiyaKelth said:Synical said:You arent getting out of it that easy vang.
Did you ever for a moment consider that you Don't understand?
Can you tell me, by synopsis of my last post, what I was getting at, and how it applies to you?
It's great how every time you're beaten you use the "Oh, you just didn't understand me" post. Yet in reality it's you that completely skips over other peoples points, and makes counter arguments to things that were never argued in the first place.
http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=3756&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
Read the last two pages of that thread. You go off on things that have nothing to do with anything, I break down your post and force you to stay on topic, and you back out of the thread. How many times do you have to "get pwned" and use the same excuses over and over again for you to get it through your head that they just don't work?
TiyaKelth said:This post was inspired by Yoshindor, more specifically, what I can only assume was his jealousy over my gear. (Although he is not the first to call me a gilbuyer because of my gear)
So my question is:
Why is it so hard for people to grasp that it is possible to make a lot of gil in this game without cheating? Is that nice +1 gear there just to look at? Because if you buy it, surely you must be a cheater.
Synical said:Pompidou said:I wouldn't even say anything if I knew the person bought gil. It's just not a concern of mine. I think it's wrong, but it's none of my business. I only hope the person with the elite gear has the skill to make the gear worthwhile. It's for that reason that I object to people buying entire accounts. While a person might buy gil to make getting that Astral Ring less time consuming, it doesn't bear directly on their skill in a party. If a person buys an entire account, then my life as a level 34 whm is in the hands of a level 34 tank played with the mindset of a level 1 player. It's not just the character that gains experience in a party after all. One time, a person confided in me that he was considering buying gil (and I think already had previously, I can't remember). I only replied not to make that knowledge public, because people frown on that sort of thing. I'd hate to see a nice person ostracised. That said, it didn't affect our being friends or anything. Now if a gil buyer *bragged* about his gear, I would object to that.
hear hear. so far the only fully intergrated voice of reason in this thread.
TiyaKelth said:You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!
(#1)first off, let me point out that YOU bring up the change of subject here, and look for a reply to a DIFFERENT topic.
Well tiya, as i pretty much clearly stated in the thread you refrence there, i was simply taking a guess. And it was incorrect. these things happen, i said as much, and i said why i said it. I'm already doing enough spelunking with cut and paste, go find it if you cant remember when i said, yep, took a guess, wasnt right, damn shame too.
(#2)Here, in this thread, with that comment, im simply agreeing with his stance on gil buying, how it affects Me, and how the idea that someone with good gear better have the skill and Honor to back up their shit. sure, vang has skill great. woohoo. so do alot of people that arent less than constructive.
(#3)If you read poms post with the right ideas in mind you can Infer that skill = playing the game, AND Interacting as a person the game. The two, playing skillfully, and interacting skillfully are not the same, yet can not be seperated.
so yeah, i agree with what pom wrote. (which is all i was saying....)
And to counter your first excuse before you even make it: many people in all the 'anti-Vang' threads say that Vang is a very skilled player, so obviously his 'lack of skill' wasn't what prompted you to point your finger at him.
(#4)No you are correct, but i never said vang was a crappy ranger. i pointed my finger at him because hes got a crappy approach.
nothing would have brought his ego down a notch faster than first spouting the crap he spews knocking people for bad gear, poor subs, etc.., then being exposed for buying gil. this is not a hard point to see is it? But..., in case you still missed it, go back and re-read the #3 bit of red text.
You are the exact kind of person that this is thread is about Synical. Vang and you were arguing, and it became apparent that Vang had better gear than you. What do you do? You say: "I highly suspect he buys gil", and then flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion. GJ Syn, I was hoping you'd show up in here so that you could shed light on the other side of the argument.
(#5)this entire argument of yours is Still based on the premice that i accused vang out of some kind of warped jealousy. Sadly, you shoot it down yourself in the same paragraph.
your origional post to this thread was about people being jealous of others gear, so when you say: "You are the exact kind of person that this is thread is about Synical.", you are saying i must have done it out of jealousy.
however, this: "...flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion."
tells me that you Did indeed read my admission (see that other post i cant recall) that i took a guess, and my stated reasons for it.
So how are the two the same?
that they are not i can assure you.
(#6)that instance: person A attempts to de-egofy person B via character assassination.
(somthing i might add you are attempting to do to me in this thread by calling me a hypocrite)
This Instance: person A gawks over the equipment of person B, and decides that person B must buy gil because they are unable to figure out, or are unwilling to put the time into getting large sums of gil.
So perhaps now you can answer my original two questions:
TiyaKelth said:Why is it so hard for people to grasp that it is possible to make a lot of gil in this game without cheating? Is that nice +1 gear there just to look at? Because if you buy it, surely you must be a cheater.
gee tiya. i didnt stay on topic because i was REALLY gunning to go of course here. (#7) i never responded to this question because i simply didnt and dont care about it.
all i wanted to do was agree with pompidou, you brought up all the other crap that forced me to reply to it....
Have a nice day,
Tiya
Synical said:ahahaha I knew this would prod a reaction out of one of you. thanks for being so predictable.
to enlighten you:
I dont have any respect for gil buyers, and not much for sellers either. for some of them its food on the table, but they dont need to be pricks while they do it eh?
1st A fast lesson in arguing tiya. Since rather few people feel opposite my above stated view, it would be Pretty fucking harsh to be a person found out for buying gils wouldnt it?
pretty discrediting? if you dont know what sort of argumentative tactic somthing like that is, well, all i can say is....you slept through the last US election ad campagins.
#3, 4, 5, 6
You know i really have been avoiding blowing my own whistle as it pretty much goes against my principals, but you keep bringing this shit up and leave me little choice.
to the last part of your statement..."so hard to believe blah blah blah"
no its not hard at all. so you have several mils, so do alot of people including myself nevermind what im Wearing. Yet even though im probably equipped as good as a rng Can be (outside of hnm/god rare/ex items) within intelligent reason...you dont see me slighting others do you?
#4, 6
so anser me This one, its more important.
"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"? and trust me.....alot of people "change" and not for the better when they hit 75 and start raking in the cash from hnm/god hunts.
#2
view me as you like tiya, hypocrite im not. if you seriously think i accused vang of buying gil out of Jealousy (lol)...well...not much else i can say other than you need to work on reading tone inflection, and possibly, just Maybe, ask a question if you arent sure you understand rather than jumping to incorrect conclusions....(dont feel bad, we all make mistakes, theres wordplay in this someplace tiya...see if you can tell me where it is)
~Syn
TiyaKelth said:Syn, your inability to stay on one topic never fails to amaze me. I considered not replying to this, because none of it addressed what this whole thread, and my last post was about, but what the hell, here we go:
First. What do gilsellers have to do with anything? This is not a gilseller complaint thread, this is a thread where I stated I'm sick of people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread.
everything, nothing. there is a disparaging difference in the way you think compared to me tiya. the world is not black and white, and a gil seller can no more exsist than a gil buyer without the other.
just as skilled playing and interacting, or lack thereof of either of the two still equate to one player.
when i consider somthing, i consider all angles of it. i admit mayhap i dont bother to explain every single tendril of what went into making my thought, but theres a hell of a lot of shit to pull together, and i do expect some Thought from the reader in at least Attempting to pull everything possible together before making a judgment or conclusion.
seriously, the simple addition of gilseller threw you off? you couldnt make the small leap to gil seller/gil buyer, 2 things, same deal? did you see me continue along any sort of gil sellers are ruining the game!!!11 rant? honestly, sometimes you just skip past things i say in my posts and choose to jump on one or two things, ignoring the rest. yet you nit pick somthing as basic as this? see also #7.
as for this "...people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread."
well, its obvious to me that you were still hopped up from the post previous to this one.
so i respond in kind.
Synical said:1st A fast lesson in arguing tiya. Since rather few people feel opposite my above stated view, it would be Pretty fucking harsh to be a person found out for buying gils wouldnt it?
pretty discrediting? if you dont know what sort of argumentative tactic somthing like that is, well, all i can say is....you slept through the last US election ad campagins.
Next, it took me a few times rereading this to figure out what you were trying to say (and you said Vang needs to take an english class)! Your "above stated view" we can most all agree with. Including myself and Vang. Again, it has nothing to do with anything, and the fact that you pointed your finger at Vang and used that to 'discredit' him is pretty weak, since all it did was show that the only thing you had left to resort to was false accusations pulled out of thin air.
Actually tiya, its pretty common word usage. and not hard to understand if even a freshman lit class has been taken. but thats beside this point, and kinda one of my points.(but i digress)
See :#3, 4, 5, 6 in red. they equate to much the same as that quote bit there, all things considered.
and once again, you go back to the OTHER thread. your tone suggests that was a sore nerve you were still tonguing. you brought it up in your reply post forcing me to respond in kind, how was that 'neither here nor there'?
("You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!")
Or do you mean where i say
"I dont have any respect for gil buyers",
and then append to that
"and not much for sellers either."
simply adding any refrence to a seller renders that entire statement invalid and unbelievably confusing?
I don't care that you're "probably" equipped as good as a rng can be. Does that mean I should point my finger at you and say, "I have a strong suspicion that he buys gil" inorder to discredit you? I don't think so.
But tiya, im not a person in need of an ego bubble burst now, am i? At least, not when it comes to trying to point things out to others for the betterment of them, and the people around them. Now you could ask me "who am I to decide such things?" and that would be valid, and tricky, and not somthing i will tackle in a forum.
Synical said:"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"?
Again, what does this have to do with anything? I was on the verge of posting the answer (or an answer at any rate), but I'd rather not steer the thread down that very different topic. This time you're going to have to try and stick to one topic, instead of jumping all over the place Syn. Can you handle that? As for changing after people hit 75, again what does that have to do with anything?
Everything tiya. you brought up the Other post refrencing vangs and my discussion more than once here, i simply replied to those, and perhaps had some of that in the back of my mind as i replied here. your question was valid sure. i say one because the second one was nothing more than a rhetorical one. it was not however deep enough to get to a real Meaning. your question gets one of two simple answers:
1. theyre to lazy, or find it too dreary to farm/craft for several hundred hours in order to attain the large amts of gil needed to get such things.
2. theyre too young or unable to understand and get into the dynamics involved in locating and maintaining a gil source in the game economy.
thats basic. doesnt even take a minute to come up with the "why" of it.
now for mine.
answer it. you didnt. just like i didnt answer yours.
ill make you a deal, since i have now answered yours, answer mine. and after you do ill read your thoughts over, and add any of my own.
I will gladly continue to view you as a hypocrite, until you stop acting like one. Again, you agree with Pompidou, who says he wouldn't say anything about someone buying gil even if he knew it was fact, yet you throw out that accusation against someone that's easily proven to not buy gil. Tell me how that isn't hypocritical?
its pretty simple, but first you need to let me step back from this time-warp and come to the present date. keep in mind now some other peoples posts to vang. keep in mind grieves intervention comment.
now step back again to this past date and look again at what i was doing, and let me say that i will do my best to take down any fool that lashes out with brash remarks with no real solutions.
then, was it from your perspective demeaning of someones hard work? perhaps, but I didnt know whether or not he bought gil, and honestly didnt and dont give a shit if he did or what he wears. that wasnt what i was getting at.
my point was not do you buy gil, it was "you bash so many others, lets see if you have the Right to do so." a simple tool being used to probe.
NOT a factor of my personality, or character.
i do believe that was the first time ive ever "pointed a finger" for such a thing.
now if i walked up to any random person in jueno (perfect stranger) and examined him, saw all of his mils in gear on, and began to accuse him of buying gil, or ask him how much real money he spent on all of it, if i did that Even Once, then yes, you would be correct. As it stands i have not. if you take me accusing vang Out of Context, and Remove Reason, then yes, from that particular standpoint i suppose i would be.
that is the rather simple reason its was not a hypocritical action.
Your last bit about making mistakes and not understanding made me laugh. NOT ONE SENTENCE of your post fully addressed any part of this thread. This is NOT the same thread as your argument with Vang, and when I brought up that thread, I used it in reference to the topic in this thread. You, on the other hand, went off on all sorts of irrelevant subjects from the other thread.
just to point out your first reply to me contained vangs name 5 times, the second one 3. -_- (me = 1)
nothing from that thread was any less irrelevant to this one, than it was to that one.
you say:
"You know, like you did in Vang's thread"
but you take the entiere thing out of context, which i hope i made a bit more clear just above?
by having a tone such as that, and this:
"You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!"
and this:
"and it became apparent that Vang had better gear than you. What do you do? You say: "I highly suspect he buys gil", and then flame him for the next few paragraphs of that post, based on your (false) suspicion"
you in fact Infer the entire past thread into this one. its simpe law, you present a piece of evidence, yet the manner in which it is presented takes it out of context and makes it look worse than it is. that opens the door to me, for bringing forth the situation behind the evidence.
as for me not addressing your post directly anyplace in here? i did, in my Very first post.
anything that followed was a response to a direct instigation by you, and no had nothing to do with people getting poked by others and being accused of buying gil.
So, Syn, next time stick to the topic, or don't expect a response.
TiyaKelth said:Synical said:let me clarify: arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will glance right over things.
Let me clarify for you, Synical: Of course we aren't going to understand things like the above quote, which made no sense. Two seperate thoughts merged into one sentence, it seems.
Synical said:how can i make this any easier? i'm here to help, help me help you.
Proof reading your posts would also be a great help. {Thank you.}
TiyaKelth said:Reread the other thread where I broke your post down point by point in the thread I linked you to, and tell me what I missed and how your seemingly offtopic thoughts actually had anything to do with anything. That will help greatly, thanks.
TiyaKelth said:You agree with Pompidou, yet you point a finger at Vang and call him a gilbuyer because he has good gear, and you "highly suspect" it? Go go hypocrite!
(#1)first off, let me point out that YOU bring up the change of subject here, and look for a reply to a DIFFERENT topic.
Synical said:(#2)Here, in this thread, with that comment, im simply agreeing with his stance on gil buying, how it affects Me, and how the idea that someone with good gear better have the skill and Honor to back up their shit.
Synical said:(#4)No you are correct, but i never said vang was a crappy ranger. i pointed my finger at him because hes got a crappy approach.
nothing would have brought his ego down a notch faster than first spouting the crap he spews knocking people for bad gear, poor subs, etc.., then being exposed for buying gil.
"Synical" said:(#5)this entire argument of yours is Still based on the premice that i accused vang out of some kind of warped jealousy. Sadly, you shoot it down yourself in the same paragraph.
your origional post to this thread was about people being jealous of others gear
Synical said:all i wanted to do was agree with pompidou, you brought up all the other crap that forced me to reply to it....
Synical said:everything, nothing. there is a disparaging difference in the way you think compared to me tiya. the world is not black and white, and a gil seller can no more exsist than a gil buyer without the other.
when i consider somthing, i consider all angles of it.
Synical said:as for this "...people pointing fingers and calling "gilbuyer" whenever someone has good gear. You know, like you did in Vang's thread."
well, its obvious to me that you were still hopped up from the post previous to this one.
so i respond in kind.[/color]
Synical said:"Why do some Poeple With Elite gear and Mils in gil Forget that there are Individuals behind the Toons, who maybe could bring interesting views to them, but never get the chance because they arent "Elite" enough to play"?
Synical said:you brought up the Other post refrencing vangs and my discussion more than once here, i simply replied to those
Synical said:now for mine.
answer it. you didnt. just like i didnt answer yours.
Synical said:
i do believe that was the first time ive ever "pointed a finger" for such a thing.
Synical said:now if i walked up to any random person in jueno (perfect stranger) and examined him, saw all of his mils in gear on, and began to accuse him of buying gil, or ask him how much real money he spent on all of it, if i did that Even Once, then yes, you would be correct. As it stands i have not. if you take me accusing vang Out of Context, and Remove Reason, then yes, from that particular standpoint i suppose i would be.
Synical said:just to point out your first reply to me contained vangs name 5 times, the second one 3. -_- (me = 1)
nothing from that thread was any less irrelevant to this one, than it was to that one.
Synical said:As for my very last post into That thread, yea, it had nothing to do with anything. but your so much like a child really.
Synical said:"arguing with people that Don't understand a life affirming mental change will tend to glance right over things."