Level your #*($@#($& subjobs!

well, i've wasn't casting firaga 3 at 73 it was thundaga 3 or blizga 3. both averaging from 1600-1760. from start of sc at start of fight to end of magic burst the mob died, where i needed to cure i duno. the pld/whm combo or ninja with a whm/brd combo seemed to handel curing jsut fine and there wasn't down time. maybe you need to rethink your static set up? Or check your whm's conserving of mp if they need a blm to help the cure to save mp. i'm a hume whm, i dont need a rdm or blm helping me cure i can conserve well enough and do my job so that i dont need help from others. when chain 5 is over were ready to start again w/out any down time. so saying that /whm is the best cause your blm cures instead of rest to nuke some more while your whm burns out mp isn't saying much in my eye's since i've play'd whm rdm and blm to 60+
 
war sub will "work" for blm. by all means, its definately not optimal. but war sub on blm wont cause dmg for the blm to suddenly cease. would most people invite a blm with a sub like that. i doubt they would because its not the normal job people use. i would ask the person why they have that as their sub.

if blm are needing to have whm sub so they can backup heal, someone isnt doing their job. if they are, they dont do it good
 
and kat, i didnt say anything was wrong about a taru pld or galka whm, they just arent the best choice for those jobs. but, they do work just as any subjob will for any mainjob
 
Bluefrost said:
I wish every BLM knew this. I hate having to be the only one doing all the Paralynas when we fight Tigers in Kuftal. I can have 100 MP after a Chain 4 and the BLM that's subbing WHM will be sitting on his ass with 500MP. Very aggravating. "Oh, it's not my job ^^!" -_-
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Agreed, my main blm's I've ever partied with were Laur and Everlasting. As far as I'm concerned I had the cream of the crop. Firestreak is an evil lil taru also. But when I was exping Fire was always my Pld TARUTARU tank, so I can only say how good he is as far as endgame goes.
 
My static does very well thank you very much. Our static will own even more post 74. A.... this wasnt a pissing contest.. i dont care how much dmg you were doing.....You take your /rdm and do a tad bit more dmg per fight. Ill take the BLM/WHM who can not only do his part as a DD but can be flexible enough be more helpful with the party healing.
 
Bluefrost said:
I wish every BLM knew this. I hate having to be the only one doing all the Paralynas when we fight Tigers in Kuftal. I can have 100 MP after a Chain 4 and the BLM that's subbing WHM will be sitting on his ass with 500MP. Very aggravating. "Oh, it's not my job ^^!" -_-
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i did this as rdm and whm through labrith of onzano, never expected it to be a blm duty as well. why arn't you harping on the rdms the do this? right cause you all think blm just sits on his ass and cast 1 or 2 spells and is done i forgot :rolleyes: we all lazy bitches arn't we.
 
Im not insulting/judging you. Im sure with certain pt setups /rdm may be a preferred sub. But thats far and few between. Its simple /rdm is less flexible then /whm. Period.
 
masterorion said:
war sub will "work" for blm. by all means, its definately not optimal. but war sub on blm wont cause dmg for the blm to suddenly cease. would most people invite a blm with a sub like that. i doubt they would because its not the normal job people use. i would ask the person why they have that as their sub.

if blm are needing to have whm sub so they can backup heal, someone isnt doing their job. if they are, they dont do it good
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Heh, and someone yelled at me in tell last night when i was a naked afk whm59/war29 on top of the altep gate crystal. Sure, ill go to rabao, sub blm and then reteleport to altep to afk, then go right back to rabao and switch back to nin/war.
 
D'oh. Quickly burried under a slew of new posts.
As long as you got the part about ShuttingTFU, then I think we're good.
 
this arguement is going nowhere, dont just judge a job by the one or two people that have subbed it. think about how many people hate drks? hate drgs? think ninjas are horrible tanks? there ARE good players out there that can work there subjob to bennif them and there party the most. dont be so narrow minded to think that there is only one "good" subjob. i'm not saying whm is a bad one, i'm saying that from my experiences as other mage jobs and playing blm /rdm is what i'd rather have my blm be. i do all this stuff you want the blm's the do as rdm with whm sub. so now your saying you want the blm the do it. so that means you want the rdm the blm and the whm doing all this stuff? you know what i'd like the see the drk provoke everytime the pld needs a cure, no thf sub please cause you can't provoke. ninja's dont tank you might get hurt, drgs close light and pld needs to sub ninja for exp party so they take less damage. be flexible dont be narrowminded please, or we can all make dumb statements.
 
passions said:
play with me before you judge me. kat you've played with them never played with my blm or rdm, i'd hope you wouldn't be so quick to insult me ; ;
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Nono, I'm not. Again, I said both subs (whm & rdm) should be leveled for blm.

As far as the Torama's (however you spell it) go, at the time when I was xping on them, to reiterate, I had the cream of the crop. I had Uzor for my rdm and Laur for my blm. It wasn't beneath any of us to so Paralyna, Silena, etc. I still realize to this day how lucky I was to have the mage's alongside me I had.
 
I do agree at this point in time though that I feel /whm is a better sub. Sorry but that's how I feel.

I also agree I don't think it should turn into any more of a pissing contest^^.
 
what pissing contest? i was stating that at 73 firaga 3 is a old spell except on bones for manaburn.

and yes you all think what you want i'll think what i want. but dont judge others and say they suck because of there sub they pick. because i could supprise you if you played with me. we all are entilted to our own opinion
 
it will though because of human nature and the ability to have opinions
 
Bottom line imo is though: I personally may not agree with the subjob you choose, but as long as it's leveled I'll keep quiet moreso than if it's gimped.

PS. Sorry Sneaky, you do keep gettin' buried in the mix don't ya^^.
 
i'd have the say my biggest reason for likeing /rdm on blm is because of how i think rdm and whm "should" be played from how i play them. i can see where /whm is benificial to a party but being as i've played rdm and whm also i see how i can counter that w/out a blm and never really saw it as a blm priority. which is why when i play blm i go towards damage and a lil extra defence because of my thoughts on what the rdm and whm should be doing because its what i did.
 
Kat said:
Bottom line imo is though: I personally may not agree with the subjob you choose, but as long as it's leveled I'll keep quiet moreso than if it's gimped.

PS. Sorry Sneaky, you do keep gettin' buried in the mix don't ya^^.
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Yep, but no matter.
I said my part.

And it's fact, not opinion. The thread was about having your SJ leveled, not what subjob is optimal. Leveled SJ = Good job! You've not exceeded any expectations even, just met them. Gimped SJ = You're gimped, no two ways about it. And know that it was your choice to show up to a party gimped.


I'm not sure why someone would argue FOR gimpage. Your choice is your choice. But you should understand if someone is upset by it. A can deal with a couple missing levels, but not abilities and traits. That's just dumb as a stump. Get off your ass, then come talk to me about partying...
BASIC EXPECTATION.
It shows you care for not only your own well being, but also the well being of the party. If your subjob isn't prepared, what more surprises can I expect? Should I flush bolts, shihei, food, time, and money down the toilet? No. I just won't bother inviting you, gimp.
 
Sneakypants said:
A can deal with a couple missing levels, but not abilities and traits.
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Correction... I*
 
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