Level your #*($@#($& subjobs!

masterorion said:
also, one other thing i thought of, if people complain about underlvld subs, why dont they complain about galka whm or taru pld?
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Ummmm, what is wrong with a Galka Whm or Taru Pld? I've seen plenty of both do a helluva job.
 
I don't mind underleveled subs, as long as they get the job done. Like on THF my ninja sub was 21 til I was like 65, but I still did my job perfectly.
 
Kat said:
Oh gg. Do you act stupid on purpose, or does it just come naturally? If you have /15 Thf subbed you are obviously goin' out to farm. Ya know, level Thf to 15 for TH1? Duhhhhhh.
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How do you know that? Maybe they have it to 15 so that they can SA in a party.
 
Stigmatas said:
elf rdm... elf nin, elf rng, elf blm, elf smn, elf thf lol

why gimp the game by picking a job your RACE sucks at.
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hmm, last i checked, elv has the highest MND rating. thus making nin debuffs sticking better as well as rdm debuffs. hmm. i must be the only one that knows that or something.
and also einstein, i chose to point out galka whm and taru pld because they are the worst choices for those jobs. galka have very little mp and taru have very little vit and hp
 
Shaunessy said:
I get it. So it's okay to have an underleveled sub, but it's not okay to have an underleveled sub. Makes perfect sense to me. So people should use their remote server vision to know that just because your sub is underleveled your going to go farming. I say bullshit. From this point on everyone must use a fully leveled sub, even if all you're doing is bazaaring in Jeuno.
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not having a fully lvled sub for farming.......listen to yourself. How does his gimp sub affect you when he is farming. If he brought that sub to an EXP session I boot his ass.

You can keep your gimp sub and I wont give a shit until your gimp sub affects my exp.
 
Shaunessy said:
How do you know that? Maybe they have it to 15 so that they can SA in a party.
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Kay, gonna humor for the last time. After this you are totally on your own and need to learn how to comprehend what you read a tad better.

MajorHavoc said:
On the other hand, one time I was getting ready to head out farming as a 50something DRG/15THF. While I was near the AH in Lower Jeuno, someone /checked me and said: "LOL... nobody is ever going to pick you for a party with that sub."

I replied: "Do you see my party flag up or a search comment that says I am looking for one?"

He says: "LOL.. No."

So I just said: "LOL then mind your fucking business!" and left it at that.
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Get it now?
 
also, in case your wondering. for me to complete my personal goal, i have to lvl all jobs. and i plan on finishing this game with all jobs lvld. but like someone else posted, i dont feel like going around and killing 100 mobs with a useless wpn at this point in time. and most people know my feelings on drg. drg will be my last job i attempt to complete
 
masterorion said:
hmm, last i checked, elv has the highest MND rating. thus making nin debuffs sticking better as well as rdm debuffs. hmm. i must be the only one that knows that or something.
and also einstein, i chose to point out galka whm and taru pld because they are the worst choices for those jobs. galka have very little mp and taru have very little vit and hp
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and before you fly off the handle on this one, if my pt had a taru pld or galka whm, would i boot them....NO. any combo/job combo will work in the game.
 
those of you that say /whm is the best sub for blm are not HL blms. most of you are still below 50 i'm sure. before that /whm is a good sub because your cures are still sub par. later though, /rdm gives benifites that whm doesn't. Stoneskin+phalanx= imposible to gage, dispel VS. erase, more HP's defence and INT. i'm sorry but if you ask me to main heal a party at 74 with my 37whm sub i'm going to laugh. even back up cure is dumb since you should have the rdm doing that.
Now we'll talk endgame. /rdm again more defence (since we do pull hate) and stack that with extra Hp's stoneskin+phalanx you have a lot better chance of suviving trust me. more int= more damage less resist. again you ask me to cure at a endgame event where there are 4-5 70+whms i'm going to laugh. i'm there for one reason, to nuke not to cure. there are to many others out there with cure for me to need the worry about it.
let your flames start on this, but i'm a HL blm, i've done my research, i lived the field what have you done? you have other blms like me saying your "idea of perfect subjob for blm" is wrong? yet you still argue with us.
there are lots of arguements about /smn and /blm for whm. some being that conserver mp saves as much mp as summoner gives mp and with auto refresh. i tend to disagree with that, but i wont hack on a whm that doesn't have smn sub because well if they are like me they can't,i can't stand the job. i'm lvl 2 and thats as far as i've ever made it before just completely saying it sucked. its not for me, and i'm not going to force myself to play a job i hate.
 
I'd still like to hear some more opinions on the /whm vs. /rdm sub. I know for a fact when we would kill Fafnir/Nidhogg we not only needed the blm's to help cure the tanks, whm's etc., but we also had melee sub whm to help cure also. That is just one instance.

You're right though as far as myself is concerned. I totally sucked at blm. Therefore I am definitely no expert on the best sub for the job, but from every blm I've ever known personally they have all said /whm is the best sub.
 
how many of those actually tried another sub for it thought instead of just guessing and expecting it to be the best
 
masterorion said:
how many of those actually tried another sub for it thought instead of just guessing and expecting it to be the best
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I cannot say MO. I honestly didn't "poll" them.
 
less than half of them probably have rdm even lvld
in my eyes, fast cast would be more beneficial on gods and other certain things
 
I dont NEED to be a BLM to realize the value behind having /whm being very nice.

I have posted this once and I will post it again.

At 73 1 Firaga MB does 1300+ dmg. (this is the BLM in my static). The BLM in my static gets MAYBE 3-4 nukes a fight w/o getting hate. This leaves him with tons of MP left over. Basically he takes the duties of curagaing/status curing after the fight to save WHM MP. This leads to us chaining higher thus making us get more overall EXP. Its not all about how much DMG you do. Its about helping the PT as a whole get more exp. Having the BLM sub RDM in a normal party setup would cause a tad bit more downtime. I can see /RDM being situational as far as its use. But I am simply disproving that /RDM is the end all best sub for BLM. The majority of the time you will in fact see /WHM being more beneficial in most situations.
 
Kat said:
I'd still like to hear some more opinions on the /whm vs. /rdm sub. I know for a fact when we would kill Fafnir/Nidhogg we not only needed the blm's to help cure the tanks, whm's etc., but we also had melee sub whm to help cure also. That is just one instance.
how many whm's did you have? just weird now i havn't fought fafnir yet but why sacrafice damage for curing? when you have melee curing and blms curing who's fighting? wouldn't that make it take longer?


and yes, i'd like to hear from a hl blm why he/she thinks whm is the ultimate sub cause i find nothing to gain from it like i do /rdm
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/WAR is the best for BLM. Why? For more damage when you mellee! Plus if you didn't get hate from over nuking, you have "Provoke".
 
Blm's have to be very very careful when nuking on Fafnir/Nidhogg. They literally have to log and come back if they get too much hate. The one thing you do not want is for him to turn. You all stand in literally the same spot on top of each other by his front right leg. He spams some evil crap to say the least, and there isn't a helluva lot of room in the Aery to begin with. Very laggy, very congested, just a lot of crap to deal with.

Mind you, I'm just a lowlie whm, and my job was to cure and keep that AA up. But I believe that's the jist of it.
 
Kat said:
Ummmm, what is wrong with a Galka Whm or Taru Pld? I've seen plenty of both do a helluva job.
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Agreed. You've got skills or you don't. Having a fully leveled sub ONLY helps.
Tiger Woods doesn't need the "best" set of clubs out there to make yur golf game look like complete ass.
Michael Schumacher doesn't need a Ferrari to make you look slow.
Skilled players don't need a Taru to do well as BLM...And they most certainly would give a shit to level their subjob.
Period. End paragraph. STFU.
 
etchdog2000 said:
Basically he takes the duties of curagaing/status curing after the fight to save WHM MP. This leads to us chaining higher thus making us get more overall EXP. Its not all about how much DMG you do. Its about helping the PT as a whole get more exp.
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I wish every BLM knew this. I hate having to be the only one doing all the Paralynas when we fight Tigers in Kuftal. I can have 100 MP after a Chain 4 and the BLM that's subbing WHM will be sitting on his ass with 500MP. Very aggravating. "Oh, it's not my job ^^!" -_-
 
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