Live and Let Die Jamal Pt. 2

[Hexx]

The system did have clauses. All drops were for the betterment of the shell, and the shell's property.

Why would everyone understand this except Hollie? This was again, the only event Hollie showed up at. Everything was repeated multiple times at camps.

Explain what you mean by whats in bold........does this mean, say......that another DRG wants to use the Z.Mail, Hollie would have had to return it to the LS bank for that DRG to use, even though Hollie won the lot? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Gunnerx]

Explain what you mean by whats in bold........does this mean, say......that another DRG wants to use the Z.Mail, Hollie would have had to return it to the LS bank for that DRG to use, even though Hollie won the lot? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The betterment of the shell means that the drops should upgrade LS members.

Can't upgrade LS members if you just bounce out of a shell getting [one of the good pieces] for DRG. It's a pretty shitty thing to do. People that don't camp and grab an N.head from a HNM ls and just stop showing up all together usually don't get much respect. Hollie shouldn't expect anything other than that.

 

[Hexx]

The betterment of the shell means that the drops should upgrade LS members.

Can't upgrade LS members if you just bounce out of a shell getting [one of the good pieces] for DRG. It's a pretty shitty thing to do. People that don't camp and grab an N.head from a HNM ls and just stop showing up all together usually don't get much respect. Hollie shouldn't expect anything other than that.

You didnt answer the entire question sir. But in response to your answer: The piece DID upgrade an LS member. The issue at hand is that he left the shell after obtaining it. Now as for the bold section: who is ANY of us to say someone shouldnt expect anything more than disrespect or scorn? If I remember correctly, YOU were in that category at one point and yet you were given a second chance no? So doesn't that merit Hollie another chance? "Forgive, but DONT forget," thats my motto, whats yours?

 

[Auron X]

I also remember that Jamal had said that we were going to switch over to a point system after 1 week of free lots so hollie did know that we would be switching over to a points system before he lotted the item so if he had any issues with the point system he couldn't of left the shell before he got his Zahak's mail?

 

[Hexx]

I also remember that Jamal had said that we were going to switch over to a point system after 1 week of free lots so hollie did know that we would be switching over to a points system before he lotted the item so if he had any issues with the point system he couldn't of left the shell before he got his Zahak's mail?

How can that be, if in an earlier post jamal said this:

Remember when this happened, the shell was formed the day of znm release (and sandworm was found to be up).

You two just contradicted each other..........

 

[Gunnerx]

I was helping Desan at KV because i wanted to up my chances at getting into the LS, Kaizen claimed it so i was waiting for death, i had no intentions of stealing it from them. When it went yellow Desan provoked it on his SAM, and since i was there to help him i wasn't going to let him die nor did i want to die myself so i took it off him and started kiting it. Not going to lie HNM is for betterment of yourself or the LS you are in or helping so i kept it, after a while we gave it back so what would that part matter. We sorted things out with leaders and apologies were given.


That is much different than showing up to 1 event of a LS, getting lucky with a lot and getting an exceptionally good piece of gear, and just ditching the ls.

 

[Hexx]

I was helping Desan at KV because i wanted to up my chances at getting into the LS, Kaizen claimed it so i was waiting for death, i had no intentions of stealing it from them. When it went yellow Desan provoked it on his SAM, and since i was there to help him i wasn't going to let him die nor did i want to die myself so i took it off him and started kiting it. Not going to lie HNM is for betterment of yourself or the LS you are in or helping so i kept it, after a while we gave it back so what would that part matter. We sorted things out with leaders and apologies were given.


That is much different than showing up to 1 event of a LS, getting lucky with a lot and getting an exceptionally good piece of gear, and just ditching the ls.

Alright, thats fine and dandy, sorry to call you out on that, just wanted clarification.

Now keep in mind, when it comes to free lot items, the general understanding (as far as ive been told by other shell leaders) is that everyone who shows up to fight a mob or ZNM or whatever, earns their right to whatever drops just for having shown up to help. After that, it just depends on who gets the better lot. So again, beating a dead horse here, the right to lot on the gear in question was earned when Hollie showed up to help fight the mob.

 

[Auron X]

How can that be, if in an earlier post jamal said this:




You two just contradicted each other..........

Jamal is incorrect the first day of the shell we watched Kaizen kill Ixion. It was me lyrai, negorrisimo, audino. The second day we started ZNMs, we didn't get Ixion until about friday(we started on a monday or tuesday) I remember because we found Sandworm by pure luck b/c one of our members was just running back to warp home.

 

[Gunnerx]

I understand what you mean, and yea rightfully the mail might be Hollie's, but it's an integrity thing. If you don't show up, and get something you want, then just leave ... you know what I'm getting at.


Once again ...


Integrity.

 

[Gunnerx]

And on that note i'll be back to check any responses later, going out.

 

[Hexx]

I understand what you mean, and yea rightfully the mail might be Hollie's, but it's an integrity thing. If you don't show up, and get something you want, then just leave ... you know what I'm getting at.


Once again ...


Integrity.

THATS one thing I will not argue against, but, its FFXI after all, most people throw their integrity out the window XD

Jamal is incorrect the first day of the shell we watched Kaizen kill Ixion. It was me lyrai, negorrisimo, audino. The second day we started ZNMs, we didn't get Ixion until about friday(we started on a monday or tuesday) I remember because we found Sandworm by pure luck b/c one of our members was just running back to warp home.

I see, well just like Gunnerx said, its all about integrity in the end.

Honestly SnB crew, I doubt you will get said item back......BUT, in the case that you do, I would hope to see some sort of thread stating that all is clear, posted by JAMAL not anyone else. A whole lot of drama ensued here and IF an amicable resolution is reached (altho I doubt it) it would go a long way to show everyone involved in a better light.

Anyways, I gots some paperwork to finish before my boss hands my ass to me on a platter, see yall later.

 

[Davion]

The drama in this topic and other related topics is the VERY reason why I refuse to do end-game unless I know the people very well. End-game shouldn't be this uptight and filled with drama. If that's your idea of a game, you can have that bullshit.

I still wonder this:

Spoiler:

I'm aware I'm beating an drum as old as this game is but, seriously is this:

...really worth all of this drama?

But I dunno this might fall on deaf ears.

I bet there is a development team guy at SE just watching this shit unfold and is laughing their asses off.

 

[Blazeoffury]

What we have here is a lack of communication.



Seriously though, Hollie you went from a dude afraid of commitment to a little whiny bitchy baby saying "if I can't have it no one can!"

In all honesty Hollie out of his own conscience should not have lotted the mail, it wasn't worth camping for him, it wasn't worthy for him to help claim it, it want worth it for him to be there at the whole fight, but he'll be damned if he doesn't take handouts from jamal right?

The leaders probably thought some one in Hollies shoes wouldn't lot since its not worth his time to put in his time, why the fuck should that piece of shit get rewarded for shit he didn't do. He did one hour of pop znm and a partial guirve fight I hardly think he deserves any more than this fucking bitch fest he's been getting.

If he would actually talk for himself then jamal wouldn't have had to rely on kotsu or take any of it out on kotsu, but Hollie is too much of a vag to talk for himself.

Hollie if you haven't dropped it yet, do the right thing and give it back.You said something about the military, if you were in it then you should know about integrity, and if you don't know about it then you need to go back to boot camp. Be a damn man and face your own shitheaded mistakes.

 

[Hexx]

What we have here is a lack of communication.



Seriously though, Hollie you went from a dude afraid of commitment to a little whiny bitchy baby saying "if I can't have it no one can!"

In all honesty Hollie out of his own conscience should not have lotted the mail, it wasn't worth camping for him, it wasn't worthy for him to help claim it, it want worth it for him to be there at the whole fight, but he'll be damned if he doesn't take handouts from jamal right?

The leaders probably thought some one in Hollies shoes wouldn't lot since its not worth his time to put in his time, why the fuck should that piece of shit get rewarded for shit he didn't do. He did one hour of pop znm and a partial guirve fight I hardly think he deserves any more than this fucking bitch fest he's been getting.

If he would actually talk for himself then jamal wouldn't have had to rely on kotsu or take any of it out on kotsu, but Hollie is too much of a vag to talk for himself.

Hollie if you haven't dropped it yet, do the right thing and give it back.You said something about the military, if you were in it then you should know about integrity, and if you don't know about it then you need to go back to boot camp. Be a damn man and face your own shitheaded mistakes.

Wow, so much cussing......does it make you feel manlier or something? Notice how there has been a decent, peaceful discussion up until now..........Honestly, you CANT speak for the leaders of SnB or suggest as to what they were thinking. :nono:

This doesnt make sense, so you're saying that if you show up to provide your abilities to help with a tough fight, you STILL dont deserve to lot on something, even THOUGH it went to free lot? My my, you have some outstanding morals if you practice what you preach Blaze >_>

In case you weren't entirely paying attention, nobody here is condoning the actions of leaving the shell after obtaining said piece (i.e. read Gunners post) but again, ITS A GAME. You must be seriously naive to EXPECT everyone to be as idealistic as yourself (not u in particular, but you get what i mean right?).

In all honesty, cussing at Hollie, calling him/her a piece of trash or w/e isnt going to change things. Whats right to one person may not be right for another so why tell someone to do the "right" thing? Just leave it be, THIS is a dead horse thats been beaten way too much.

 

[Hollie]

It isnt about the Zahak's Mail that upsets me so much as the fact that if I'm lending help to someone them with what they want and its opposed to Jamal's wishes he gives the person who's leading what ever hell by taking the George W. approach by "If you're not with with me you're against me". If someone wants help I'm more than willing to give it. Its the fact that an innocent bystandard getting dragged into this drama I don't like.

 

[Hexx]

It isnt about the Zahak's Mail that upsets me so much as the fact that if I'm lending help to someone them with what they want and its opposed to Jamal's wishes he gives the person who's leading what ever hell by taking the George W. approach by "If you're not with with me you're against me". If someone wants help I'm more than willing to give it. Its the fact that an innocent bystandard getting dragged into this drama I don't like.

And that has been addressed Hollie. From the looks of it, Jamal backed off on that and is not going to be interfering with anyone that associates with you.

What you have to take into consideration is "What kind of resolution do you want to achieve?" You have three options: Turn in the Z.Mail, keep the Z.Mail, or toss it. The ball is in YOUR court Hollie do what YOU feel is right. No matter what, your friends are behind you 100%.

 

[JP]

It's really not worth dropping, I'd rather you give it to a random person in West Ronfaure than you dropping it.

 

[jamal]

Blaze, I'd find the post but without search functionality it would be near impossible, but in one of the three threads I mentioned how I actually hoped getting this would help Hollie commit to the shell more. His playtime obviously wasn't in question, it was commitment. I hoped that the drop going to him would incite a motivation to help the shell. Obviously I was wrong, but I don't think it was wrong of me to think that.

It wasn't a lack of communication on our part, every other member of the shell knew the goals of the ls and wanted to better the shell.

 

[Blazeoffury]

no I don't expect everyone to keep those morals, but would I expect someone with a military background to have them? Yes, yes I do.

As for calling Hollie trash, he deserves no less than such, he, a person with a military back ground is showing the morale integrity of a child with his whole if I can't have something then no one can.

 

[jyakotsu]

Wow, so much cussing......does it make you feel manlier or something? Notice how there has been a decent, peaceful discussion up until now..........Honestly, you CANT speak for the leaders of SnB or suggest as to what they were thinking. :nono:

This doesnt make sense, so you're saying that if you show up to provide your abilities to help with a tough fight, you STILL dont deserve to lot on something, even THOUGH it went to free lot? My my, you have some outstanding morals if you practice what you preach Blaze >_>

In case you weren't entirely paying attention, nobody here is condoning the actions of leaving the shell after obtaining said piece (i.e. read Gunners post) but again, ITS A GAME. You must be seriously naive to EXPECT everyone to be as idealistic as yourself (not u in particular, but you get what i mean right?).

In all honesty, cussing at Hollie, calling him/her a piece of trash or w/e isnt going to change things. Whats right to one person may not be right for another so why tell someone to do the "right" thing? Just leave it be, THIS is a dead horse thats been beaten way too much.

are you that much of a fucking moron. Seriously, or are you trying? If something goes freelot and I have never been in the shell in my life... save maybe one run, I'd let the ones who had been in the shell a while a chance to lot before me, because well.... they earned it not me. I'm not saying what Hollie did was right or wrong because well.... it isn't my place, however if I was given the chance, I would have passed... easily.