Mabel & Cix

i heard Cix talk about this in LS. If i remember right he said that you wouldn't stun bomb tosses because it's "Too hard," i laughed, said "lol gimp" and went on about my day. When she told me that her and the WHM warped and disband, i laughed again and thought that it was completely justified, lately i've been suprised at the state of mediocraty that has befallen the majority of the lvl 75 players on our server, oo sure, the gear is better, but any form of skill has gone down the shithole, but that's another flame all together.
 
Ithenas said:
i heard Cix talk about this in LS. If i remember right he said that you wouldn't stun bomb tosses because it's "Too hard," i laughed, said "lol gimp" and went on about my day. When she told me that her and the WHM warped and disband, i laughed again and thought that it was completely justified, lately i've been suprised at the state of mediocraty that has befallen the majority of the lvl 75 players on our server, oo sure, the gear is better, but any form of skill has gone down the shithole, but that's another flame all together.

And a SMN who is in your LS couldn't even keep barfira up last time I xped with him in bibiki bay. I love dying one fight into my food because casting barfira is such a hard concept for most healers, and you want to talk about stunning every bomb...

/laugh...

99% of bomb related deaths are due to no barfira.

Way way more often than not with no death, a goblin suicide = faster exp overall.
 
Btw - In case you're wondering, no it wasn't you Wakmidget I was talking about. I realized after posting that I had leveld wtih 2 SMNs from ESP through bibiki bay and I don't really even really recall fighting any goblins with Wakmidget.

Anyway... I just got back from class and thought I'd put a bit more explanation into my reasoning as to why bomb stuns are really an afterthought...

I don't want to sound like an elitist prick, though there's a chance with what I'm saying will sound as such... but I've been a blackmage for a very, very, very long time. Most people who have played with me think I'm pretty good at it. This guide I wrote here in August of 04 - http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=798 , explains what I still consider a fairly good list of different BLM priorities.

Admittedly, there was no CoP back then, and therefore no Bibiki bay, and I've not leveled my BLM specifically that range before, but I've leveled 2 other jobs through there. One of them, ironically enough, the same as the subject in question, jolly old Mable. For a WHM by 60+, especially a tarutaru, you should be able to toss out a Curaga 3, and not have to think twice about it. AE cures are very bad hate but very cheap MP wise to toss out after the goblin is dead and hate is no issue.

But anyway... when I talk about thie BLM job, you really shouldn't sweep aside the points I'm trying to get across. From your first party all the way to fighting Nidhogg, BLM has always been a job of prioritizations. The task is to understand the different aspects you have control over and prioritize them as such that you can swing the situation in your favor.

BLM is a very easy job to play on a basic level... so is EVERY job. The thing a good blackmage does, the odds are you won't ever notice. The BLM who never seems to run out of MP, or always manages to nuke the mob down in time for the exp chain, that's not luck.

Stun is a reaction spell. Unless you are able to count the mob's TP you can't plan it out. All you can do is possibly be ready at the right time and notice it. If you want to throw away everything else about the BLM's strategy to stand there and wait for bombs then try and do your job in 45 second increments, you might as well stop right now and let a drk take your spot. If you can stop being a baby, admit that goblin bombs,and the result are easily cured damage(speaking as a WHM as well, this is no big deal) you can move on and try and live to your maximum as a BLM, speeding up kills, planning out the chain and smiling as the goblin kills itself and saves YOUR mp that you don't have to spend on nuking it.

But I supposed that's all up to the party at hand, if you want to reduce BLM to a twiddle reaction job go ahead, but until you're fighting Suzaka or Tiamet that's not really needed.
 
Firestreak said:
And a SMN who is in your LS couldn't even keep barfira up last time I xped with him in bibiki bay. I love dying one fight into my food because casting barfira is such a hard concept for most healers, and you want to talk about stunning every bomb...

/laugh...

99% of bomb related deaths are due to no barfira.

Way way more often than not with no death, a goblin suicide = faster exp overall.

Thank you, Firestreak. I was trying to explain this earlier.
 
Ok everyone. Me and Cix have called a truce. I like how my little flame turned into a 100+, kill-all-take-no-prisoners kinda thing. Well, anyway, ty
 
rhinegold said:
Ok everyone. Me and Cix have called a truce. I like how my little flame turned into a 100+, kill-all-take-no-prisoners kinda thing. Well, anyway, ty
Very good, Rhinegold. It's always cool to make up. Makes the world a better place for everyone. Gotta forgive everyone. Even if someone does something stupid, you gotta forgive them. You also got to accept the apology, which is sometime just as hard to do as giving the apology... Like Skullbaby, "she" won't unblacklist me to resolve anything. That's why blacklisting people for hate is a bad thing, you can't resolve anything with the guy.
 
passions said:
Mabel is a dumb bitch! that's my 2 cents on it. there is a reason she's still what a 70whm, is she 70 yet? she's got a bad attitude that needs to be put in check. as far as cix goes, i duno about his/her issue.

the deal with bomb tosses is pretty retarted if you ask me. bomb toss doesn't hurt that bad if the whm keeps barfira up *cough* nOOb whm! another thing, dont jump the blm or drk because they can't stun every single bomb toss. TANKS you can help with this also, i do it and i'm not that high of lvl yet. i learned how from a japanese taru ninja when we didn't have a whm in the party for barfira. RUN AWAY!! when you see it preparing bomb toss. when i tank Gobs now i keep auto target off and my view in 3rd person so i can quickly run backwards away from the group take the bomb and run back.

THINK NOOBS!! there are more answers then OMGFYFNOOB STUN!!! STUN!!! STUN!!!
And Pand, you call me a newb and thick headed when I wouldn't Burn a raptor @ Sorrow's Vall?

Oh and btw, barfira helps... But not as much as most people exaggerat it to.
 
Princemercury said:
And Pand, you call me a newb and thick headed when I wouldn't Burn a raptor @ Sorrow's Vall?

Oh and btw, barfira helps... But not as much as most people exaggerat it to.

Sorry, but I totally disagree with that statement. I swear by Barfira, Barstonra, and of course Barwatera. Add in Regen (III) and you're jammin'.

Glad y'all made up. Makes the day go a tad easier.
 
I fucking hate this board.
Why can't people keep their problems with others in-game?

This board... is sick.
 
Princemercury said:
And Pand, you call me a newb and thick headed when I wouldn't Burn a raptor @ Sorrow's Vall?
you were bursting flood dont forget, and your hume? AM is a waist and with 2 blms you only needed to do blizzga 2. also burn adds damage and we were a double blm setup in that party, hence we were main damage so the mob should be weaker for us?

Princemercury said:
Oh and btw, barfira helps... But not as much as most people exaggerat it to.

another incorect statement by you. geez what else you gonna say, no one needs protect but the tank?
 
I give people D2's when they ask if at all possible and it's cool but it is a matter of saving someone travel time 95% of the time. Now what's a problem is when your face-down on the ground and a White Mage walks over you on their way to or from a party and they ignore your friend's requests that they raise you. I'll give anyone an R1 whenever I'm able, I know R2 and R3 are alot more useful but hey I only sub WHM right now. Courtesy isn't just a good thing it's an important thing since it helps hold a community together and that's what we have on our server...a community. Thank you.
 
One more thing...using Burn on a Raptor is a waste of MP since Burn lowers Intelligence....better to use Frost (AGI), Rasp (DEX), Drown (STR) or Choke (VIT). If your killing them quickly enough even these are a waste of MP but I always use Bio2, Paralyze and Slow on them time permitting.
 
(Quote= Post #112, so it doesn't take up half the screen)
Every BLM should be like that. I'm not asking you to get off your chocobo mid-way through a high-level area to give me a cure. I'm asking you to stop what you're doing for a few seconds to save me a whole bundle of time. If you're on a chocobo, I'm not going to ask you. If you're running, yes, I'm going to ask you.
 
Padington said:
One more thing...using Burn on a Raptor is a waste of MP since Burn lowers Intelligence....better to use Frost (AGI), Rasp (DEX), Drown (STR) or Choke (VIT). If your killing them quickly enough even these are a waste of MP but I always use Bio2, Paralyze and Slow on them time permitting.

Again as statied in other topics.

2 blm= main damage

Burn lowers int on ANY mob not just magic mobs

Lower int = more damage because every point hight int you have means more damage. With 2 blms we were priority and bursting flood was unnessecary.

Period
 
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