Makes Sense To Me

Georgebobbilly said:
I guess I should add that only Americans have the balls to go ahead and out right say "if you don't like it here you can leave". While the rest of the world may say it, just without words.
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Actually, despite the apparent belief of some of the folks in this thread, most countries will come right out and say it, frequently with laws, rather than just harsh language.

It always gives me a bit of a giggle when Europeans, no offense, weigh in on immigration debates with any sort of holier-than-thou vibe.
 
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Morcheeba said:
lol did you read the thread hunny?

It wasn't clear that that's what he meant, I knew what he meant ;p

GBB, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he meant England is over there >.> amoung the other great European countries and DOESN'T have multiple languages on the signs to refute mention of how most European countries do offer different languages.

So basically, England is not on the same page as Canada or any other country that offers multiple translated road signs.
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The sign near our McDonald's drive through has Japanese/Chinese (not even sure) on it. I've seen quite a few signs in England with French or another language on it.
 
Dancingweapon said:
The sign near our McDonald's drive through has Japanese/Chinese (not even sure) on it. I've seen quite a few signs in England with French or another language on it.
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lmao well that right there is a horrible example DW!!

heheh

All in all I personally do not find anything wrong with a country establishing that if you want to be a part of our country you are expected to abide by it's laws (regardless of religious beliefs etc) and that includes putting in some effort to learn the ways/languages and (if any) cultures of said country.

Otherwise why the fuck do you WANT to be part of our country. Like it or lump it =)
 
Morcheeba said:
lmao well that right there is a horrible example DW!!

heheh

All in all I personally do not find anything wrong with a country establishing that if you want to be a part of our country you are expected to abide by it's laws (regardless of religious beliefs etc) and that includes putting in some effort to learn the ways/languages and (if any) cultures of said country.

Otherwise why the fuck do you WANT to be part of our country. Like it or lump it =)
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I also never said that England is a multi language sign boarded country. This whole thing was more about GBB saying that England is "Speak English or GTFO" which it most certainly isn't.
 
Dancingweapon said:
I also never said that England is a multi language sign boarded country. This whole thing was more about GBB saying that England is "Speak English or GTFO" which it most certainly isn't.
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Oh right sorry.

Yeah that was more or less about the verbage found on signs.
 
Dancingweapon said:
There are people like that wherever you go Raes.
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Thus refuting Tok's claim that "only America" has this sort of thing happen.

When, in fact, pretty much the entirety of the planet is at least as "bad", and many places are considerably "worse".
 
Raesvelg said:
Thus refuting Tok's claim that "only America" has this sort of thing happen.

When, in fact, pretty much the entirety of the planet is at least as "bad", and many places are considerably "worse".
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I never said that the sun shined out of England's ass did I?
 
Georgebobbilly said:
If it's good enough for your president it's good enough for me, and I worked 5 miles from where I slept but nice jumping to conclusions.

Also thanks for showing just how blissfully unaware you are. Alabama has one of the highest concentrations of African Americans in the US "Historically, most African Americans lived in the Southeastern and South Central states of Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas" source while your there go ahead and look at that ancestry map.

And it's your fault for being more ignorant about the state then you think that man is about minorities.
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Historically(and somewhat to an extent, presently,) most African Americans live(d) in the South because they are(were) unable to leave because of a system of oppression that prevents(ed) them from getting even a half-decent education, or a half-decent wage to get the fuck out of their prison. Most proponents of racism aren't even going to give the group of people they dislike a chance to leave the area if it meant having to associate with them on a day to day basis. That, and well, psychology. If the only white people you had experience with were hate-mongering sons of bitches, you're going to assume every other white person is(which yes, is racist,) and won't even try to change your situation because of a perceived uselessness in doing so.

It takes money to uproot and transplant your family elsewhere, and if you're not getting a job or lack an education well enough to be considered for one, guess what happens? You're not going anywhere. The Black Civil Rights movement didn't really hit full swing until relatively recently in the last 240 years this nation has been around(or 520 if you really want to get technical about it.) And it's still being fought for in some areas.

But really, just go on thinking "Heh, we have black people everywhere. They must've really liked it here if their families never left," and ignore that racism, historically and currently, has cemented most of them there in one way or another. Yes, things got significantly better for them, but that doesn't mean it's a utopia for Blacks now.

Also, Wikipedia is far from a reputable source.
 
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Skaw said:
Historically(and somewhat to an extent, presently,) most African Americans live(d) in the South because they are(were) unable to leave because of a system of oppression that prevents(ed) them from getting even a half-decent education, or a half-decent wage to get the fuck out of their prison. Most proponents of racism aren't even going to give the group of people they dislike a chance to leave the area if it meant having to associate with them on a day to day basis. That, and well, psychology. If the only white people you had experience with were hate-mongering sons of bitches, you're going to assume every other white person is(which yes, is racist,) and won't even try to change your situation because of a perceived uselessness in doing so.

It takes money to uproot and transplant your family elsewhere, and if you're not getting a job or lack an education well enough to be considered for one, guess what happens? You're not going anywhere. The Black Civil Rights movement didn't really hit full swing until relatively recently in the last 240 years this nation has been around(or 520 if you really want to get technical about it.) And it's still being fought for in some areas.

But really, just go on thinking "Heh, we have black people everywhere. They must've really liked it here if their families never left," and ignore that racism, historically and currently, has cemented most of them there in one way or another. Yes, things got significantly better for them, but that doesn't mean it's a utopia for Blacks now.

Also, Wikipedia is far from a reputable source.
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Ok, I have to chime in on this one...

No one likes being called a racist and trust me, I've been called one recently. While you're trying to tell us the finer points of racism, all you're doing is making yourself look like a racist. All I can do is picture some pale and pastie white boy who might be book smart, but has no street smarts and he's sitting behind an almighty keyboard spouting things he has no idea about. Do us all a favor and save it for your nerd girlfriend (if you have one) who doesn't give a shit about how much time it's taken you to accumulate over 10k posts.
 
Skaw said:
It's Alabama. They had a Voting Literacy Test(Anti-Black Voting blockade.) It's a WHITES ONLY PLEASE state, filled with WHITES ONLY PLEASE residents. It's not my fault it's an intolerant toilet.

Guys I got a job where I slept, ate, and went to the bathroom 24 hours a day where I worked, I didn't need a license, so nobody needs a license!

Get your shitty anecdotal evidence out of here.
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Skaw said:
Historically(and somewhat to an extent, presently,) most African Americans live(d) in the South because they are(were) unable to leave because of a system of oppression that prevents(ed) them from getting even a half-decent education, or a half-decent wage to get the fuck out of their prison. Most proponents of racism aren't even going to give the group of people they dislike a chance to leave the area if it meant having to associate with them on a day to day basis. That, and well, psychology. If the only white people you had experience with were hate-mongering sons of bitches, you're going to assume every other white person is(which yes, is racist,) and won't even try to change your situation because of a perceived uselessness in doing so.

It takes money to uproot and transplant your family elsewhere, and if you're not getting a job or lack an education well enough to be considered for one, guess what happens? You're not going anywhere. The Black Civil Rights movement didn't really hit full swing until relatively recently in the last 240 years this nation has been around(or 520 if you really want to get technical about it.) And it's still being fought for in some areas.

But really, just go on thinking "Heh, we have black people everywhere. They must've really liked it here if their families never left," and ignore that racism, historically and currently, has cemented most of them there in one way or another. Yes, things got significantly better for them, but that doesn't mean it's a utopia for Blacks now.

Also, Wikipedia is far from a reputable source.
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So your argument went from "It's whites only" to "well of course theres lots of black people... cause it's racists to have lots of black people". Honestly they still get to vote for this guy or his opponent. It doesn't matter why they are here, they still agree with this point and their vote counts just as much as mine.


I have never said that there aren't plenty of racists in Alabama, because of course there are. Just like everywhere else, including where ever you live (that 'you' isn't Skaw it's you reading this post right now), racism is everywhere. This however isn't White people vs none English speaking Hispanics. This is, 90% of English speaking residents (cause black people are residents even if you don't count them) vs the none English speaking community, which is mostly Hispanic but around where I live includes tons of Asians.
 
So your argument went from "It's whites only" to "well of course theres lots of black people... cause it's racists to have lots of black people". Honestly they still get to vote for this guy or his opponent. It doesn't matter why they are here, they still agree with this point and their vote counts just as much as mine.
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Read his statements again, though. Both support each other. He's saying, despite the fact that the state has such a large population of African Americans, there's a huge populous of bigoted Caucasians there as well. I think, at this point, most of your replies GBB have been made in an effort to just be retaliatory. I'm not biased, but it's clear that each post Skaw has offered has some pretty well thought out reason in the background. He's stating his case, come right out and state yours already.

Just sayin'.
 
Race is a social construct who cares?

We're all technically racist to some degree and that applies to anything you can judge.

If you're against people being prejudice to others than you're contradicting yourself by discriminating discrimination.
 
Duddits said:
Ok, I have to chime in on this one...

No one likes being called a racist and trust me, I've been called one recently. While you're trying to tell us the finer points of racism, all you're doing is making yourself look like a racist. All I can do is picture some pale and pastie white boy who might be book smart, but has no street smarts and he's sitting behind an almighty keyboard spouting things he has no idea about. Do us all a favor and save it for your nerd girlfriend (if you have one) who doesn't give a shit about how much time it's taken you to accumulate over 10k posts.
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Aww, poor bay-bee get intellectually dwarfed a lot? Cry some more. Yes, I'm white. Yes, I'm fairly book smart No, I don't lack street smarts. I deal with racism every day at my job, coming from literally everyone. Whites talking about everyone else. Blacks talking about Hispanics. I'm nice to all my customers in spite of my co-workers, not because I have to be to keep my job, but because I don't treat everyone as being guilty of something just because of the circumstances of their birth.

Georgebobbilly said:
So your argument went from "It's whites only" to "well of course theres lots of black people... cause it's racists to have lots of black people". Honestly they still get to vote for this guy or his opponent. It doesn't matter why they are here, they still agree with this point and their vote counts just as much as mine.
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Putting it bluntly: There were a ton of racists in the south specifically that were too racist to assist blacks to the point that the blacks would've been given a chance to leave the precious white southern utopia for good, resulting in a lot of blacks stuck living there in the past. You know, historically.

Grandphoenix said:
If you're against people being prejudice to others than you're contradicting yourself by discriminating discrimination.
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"Why are you intolerant of my intolerance?"

That kind of thinking is one of the biggest problems blacks had to fight against, and why homosexuals are doing the same thing today. Congratulations - you're part of the problem.

I mean, it may seem easier hating someone over something that has absolutely no impact on my life such as who they blow, the color of their skin, or what language they speak. But maybe it's actually a lot easier to not get grossed out/hemorrhoid-causing angry every time I see two men hugging or a black/brown/asian person sitting in the seat next to me because of (choice of superficial horse crap).

In short: grow up, you immature children. If people didn't fight discrimination, this country would be even further in the toilet. Unless you were born a god-fearing, rich, heterosexual white male. Hell, if people didn't fight discrimination, this country just flat out wouldn't exist the way it came about. Then again, it's pretty hard to ride through life with white privilege when the discrimination starts becoming white vs. white.
 
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Skaw said:
I mean, it may seem easier hating someone over something that has absolutely no impact on my life such as who they blow, the color of their skin, or what language they speak.
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How is it you figure this is about hate? Honestly?

Yea Alabama has a pretty crummy history, as do most of the southern states for the same reason. But we pretty much all do at some point or time in our ancestry. Whatever.

On the SURFACE, this is a campaign towards stricter requirements for obtaining a drivers license. Not driven by hate of race but hate of non-sensible injury, accidents and even death.

Take it for what it is.

Makes sense to me.
 
Because he says "This is Alabama, we speak English. If you want to live here, learn it." He's suggesting to people they shouldn't live somewhere because they don't fit in to his criteria. It's hate.

I honestly figured you would have been smart enough to not be played by the Driver's Test front, Morcheeba.
 
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