Man bursts into flames after Taser shock

Kairiboo said:
Ummm I think he ment, "Why was anyone surprised he lit fire, he was dowsed in gasoline." Or something to that effect, I don't think it was an actual question.
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shes from canada, english notso-ez
 
Wow, you all need to get a sense of humour. Look at what Uzor asked, look at the title... I know that sarcasm doesn't necessarily come across in text, but you can at least try to feign understanding.
 
Mirewen said:
And coming from someone who types like you, I'm guessing where you're from, grammar and spelling "notso-ez".
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talk about getting a sense of humor huh?
 
Rae how would a rubber bullet to the thigh effect a person? I mean.. enough to make them drop to the ground?

I'm asking honestly, because if it's enough to make them drop and from a reasonable distance not penetrate the body would it not be safe enough?

I really don't like the idea of tasers.

I have had no positive experiences with cops. None. I have been tackled by 2 officers from behind unaware I was even DOING anything wrong (which I wasn't) and then lied about when they said I hit them with the car keys I had in one of my hands when they swung my arms around my back.

I would not be surprised had they had tasers that they would have used them on me. Then again they shouldn't be stupid and they'd lose their jobs for sure had that happened.
 
I say paint guns. Those things sting like a motherfucker.

Edit (disclaimer): That was a joke, it obviously wouldn't stop someone just by getting hit with a paint ball. But seeing as it has been noted that some people don't understand jokes, I'm putting this here so that people do not feel the need to quote it and say "durrrrr that wuldnt werk mirwin".
 
Maybe cops in the state are different, but personally I've had lots of pleasant encounters with cops. I've actually had no bad ones. Then again, I've never done anything illegal in my life. I've never eaten candy in a store, never jumped a fence, never hit anyone, never been in any fights, don't have a driver's license so I've never speeded or run a red light. I've not even drunk beer in a public area that you're not allowed to drink in. Hell, I've never even cheated on a test.

Well, I have crossed a street where there is no pedestrian crossing, but I do not believe that is against the law. If I ever do get in trouble I'm quite charming and diplomatic, so I'm sure I could talk myself out of the situation unless its something serious like murder.

Edit: Well, I have done mushrooms. But I do not believe it is illegal to try drugs, only illegal to be in possession and sell them. And they weren't mine, so I suppose that could be a gray area.
 
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Uzor said:
Maybe cops in the state are different, but personally I've had lots of pleasant encounters with cops. I've actually had no bad ones. Then again, I've never done anything illegal in my life. I've never eaten candy in a store, never jumped a fence, never hit anyone, never been in any fights, don't have a driver's license so I've never speeded or run a red light.

Well, I have crossed a street where there is no pedestrian crossing, but I do not believe that is against the law.
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So you've had an exciting life... ? LMAO I'm kidding, no but really you must be dull haha kidding kidding!! Sheeesh ;p

Off topic!

Many of the bad experiences I've had Uzor I wasn't doing anything wrong, or anything that should make anyone suspicious of my intentions or behavior in general. Just walking down the street on my way somewhere, or through a park and OH NO it's past 10 so I MUST be up to no good.

Cops here are sad for the most part, and I promise you if you were to ask a large number of people my age from around here they would sing the same tune.

The few indifferent experiences I've had were with older (much) officers, and they were still quite rude.

I've had an officer ask my brother and his friend who was fking me because I happen to be riding in the backseat of the car when we were on our way home from a family Christmas party. I was 13. He didn't even make an attempt to be quiet when making such a disgusting accusation.

Yea plenty good experiences and a great opinion of our law enforcement.
 
Rubber bullets operate under the principle of causing sufficient pain to deter the offender. It's functionally impossible to incapacitate someone with rubber bullets unless you're taking distinct risks with their life, ie, shooting around the head/exposed vital areas at close range.

They hurt. But pain is manageable, frankly, as anyone who plays paintball will tell you. Eventually, you just get inured to it. Rubber bullets move faster, but are lighter, so the difference isn't that incredibly profound.

As far as paintballs go, there actually are crowd control variants available to law enforcement. Pepper paintballs, and what are basically "skunk" paintballs (truly foul odors), but similar to rubber bullets, they're really intended as a crowd control weapon.

Tasers aren't popular, I realize, but they're really not a bad choice in most situations where someone could get seriously injured. I have a bit of an issue with tasers being used to enforce compliance, but again, 90%+ of the time the taser is probably going to cause less injury to a suspect than being manhandled will, at less risk to the officer.

It's also significant that, by the time the tasers come out, you've almost always already crossed the line of non-compliance.

I've been stopped by the cops because of where I happened to be, at what time of night, etc. I was polite, respectful, and even though I looked like a freaking hobo through a significant fraction of my teen years, I was invariably released because I was polite, respectful, and well-spoken.

If an officer stops you, chances are he has enough of a reason to justify it to a court if pressed. At that point, getting belligerent might make you feel better on some level, but it's really just going to land you in considerably more trouble than you might have been in otherwise.
 
Acutie said:
lol the guy doused himself in fucking gasoline and people on here are all like "oh tasers are dangerous" and "body physiology and electricty". what a crock of shit. only in america could this story be turned on the taser and not the complete retard, who probably should have died due to darwin's law, who covered himself in gas and kamikaze rushed a cop
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wow, proof that you didn't even read the thread aside from the first three or so posts.

i think i'll go read the first two sections of the Canadian Constitution and start making political commentary about Canada in general.
 
Yea I'm just thinking if a rubber bullet kills (pain wise) when hit with it it'll likely make the person stop. I can see if the person was charging the cops they may already be in a mind set that surpasses them feeling the bullet

As far as being polite, I am until I feel I'm disrespected. Then I only give as much as I'm given.

When asked where I'm going I answer and then ask why I'm being questioned. It's only fair when you know you're not doing anything to rouse suspicion. When asked to empty my pockets and purse I ask why. And so on. They don't have the right to unless they have reasonable cause and I can always ask. But see they don't like their authority being questioned, that's when they get very nasty.
 
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In all honesty, I do not get why this article itself seem to be such a big deal. Why were the cops at fault?

The man was drenched in gasoline, running towards them with a lighter. He didn't intend to hurt only himself, but others as well. In this situation you can not touch the guy, as that could potentially cause you serious harm. You can not throw water at him, as gasoline is not soluble with water (only with oil and other chemicals that aren't polarized), and as such could cause harm over a wider area if he decided to light it. If they shoot him, they could end up injuring him severely, as well as run the risk of him lighting himself on fire once he's shot, or potentially keep running towards the cops or other civilians in an attempt to hurt others.

Really, they did not have a lot of options. I agree, tazing might have not have been very smart considering the circumstance, but I don't think the cops were thinking what tazing him could have lead to. They were probably nervous and scared (surprise, even cops have feelings!!) and unsure what to do. To be honest, I'm not quite sure how often people run out drenched in gasoline towards cops, and I somehow doubt you undergo training for that in the police academy.

If you can come up with a better way to handle a suicidal man drenched in gasoline equipped with a lighter that ends up with him being alive, please do tell me.
 
They certainly ran out of options on this one in particular I agree.

I still agree with Trists first out line on tasering and for the same reasons, there are too many variables unknown that may cause more injury than other options that are widely used and have been for a long enough time to know the possible injuries.
 
Of course. Personally I am against Tazering, but in this situation I do not see them doing anything wrong at all. This situation is very hard to actually get the man out of alive. It would be like trying to stop a suicide bomber and at the same time get the bomber out of the situation alive.
 
Uzor said:
Of course. Personally I am against Tazering, but in this situation I do not see them doing anything wrong at all. This situation is very hard to actually get the man out of alive. It would be like trying to stop a suicide bomber and at the same time get the bomber out of the situation alive.
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I agree.

It's a situation thing, THAT I agree with.

Perhaps the answer is in using what common sense you can in tense time sensitive moments. ;p

The officers probably didn't think that tasering him would make him burst into flames, though it's pretty simply understood. They would have probably made out better shooting him in the leg or something.. then again THAT can have just as bad an effect and kill him. Either way the man was probably going to die.

I'm not blaming the cops in this situation, he was pretty content dying.
 
Mirewen said:
Wow, you all need to get a sense of humour. Look at what Uzor asked, look at the title... I know that sarcasm doesn't necessarily come across in text, but you can at least try to feign understanding.
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Wow who asked for the nasties? lol If you attempt sarcasm through text, you're right it doesn't come across well, so it'd better be pretty obvious. And touchy about people making a joke about you? If that's the case I wouldn't be snapping at others to get a sense of humor.

As for all the "unknowns" like medical conditions etc. As I've said before, if they aren't smart enough to keep from acting up until the point they get tased, then it's really their own fault whatever happens to them.
 
Kairiboo said:
Wow who asked for the nasties? lol If you attempt sarcasm through text, you're right it doesn't come across well, so it'd better be pretty obvious. And touchy about people making a joke about you? If that's the case I wouldn't be snapping at others to get a sense of humor.

As for all the "unknowns" like medical conditions etc. As I've said before, if they aren't smart enough to keep from acting up until the point they get tased, then it's really their own fault whatever happens to them.
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should go back to the old days and just fire nets at people.

like pirates!
 
Kairiboo said:
As for all the "unknowns" like medical conditions etc. As I've said before, if they aren't smart enough to keep from acting up until the point they get tased, then it's really their own fault whatever happens to them.
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I hope you understand though that a lot of the situations that may deem necessary to use such force can be extremely confusing. Cops are just people, and although they are trained to handle high tense situations they often make mistakes in the heat of the moment. They clear it up afterwards but it may be too late.

So it's hard to say that all situations a taser may be used in are justified.

This case is straight forward, there was only one person making a scene.
 
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