Merit Party Discrimination

pakomen said:
You try being by yourself all day since the expansion came out and tell me how you feel :P

Aren't you a Beastmaster? @_@;

Offtopic: Edit button on flameboard is the gayest thing since the new metrosexual Brawny reality show.
 
I look at all the shit that was put together that was manaburn.

KS99
EXP
KS30
Dynamis
Gods


All that stuff existed manaburn style before the expansion even came out. It existed in such an amount SE decided to "adjust" elemental dmg. The only thing I saw in mass during the time when I saw tons of manaburning was before the RNG gimp when the RNGs built cannons.

Where do you think the melee got the initial idea of cannoning? Could it be when we couldnt find a BLM we just started picking up melee instead? Who really knows.

I know I got invited to tons of BLM cannons on my PLD. I would even go to say 1/3rd of the time I was on my PLD the invites I got were for bastardized manaburns.

I just think its silly to complain about it. I know if I could solo 5k+ an hr like a BLM can, I would never seek party again. I would just solo or exp with LS mates the rest of my time in this game.

I just remember going back as early as a year ago and a decent amount of the BLM's you see have a holier then thou type attitude. Some BLM's a year ago were questioning the need for melee, period in any situation. I am sure I can pull up some of Odons old posts to show that.

That said, I think manaburning is fine, melee cannons are fine. However you want to enjoy this game is fine by me, I just really dont want to hear complaining about a new tactic to exp when the job you are complaining for pretty much introduced the idea of cannoning to this game.
 
I kinda embrace this no blm invite thing. I took DRK to 75 and it took for fucking ever. Days sometimes a week would pass until I would see "Party Do you need it?" Half the time I would get tossed into some sort of moron parade and make no dent in the road to 75 at all.

So then I decided I would level BLM cause I like big numbers and pretty animations! I swear I went from 1-63 in was seemed like a week. I had friction burn from all the levels I grinded out. Then at 63 it happened. Invites totaly went dry. Infact the party I hit 63 in was a manaburn. BLM BLM BLM BLM RDM NIN. It was fun and I really hope I get into more of those later on.

You see the best part about soloing or duo (with Garvin) is......no morons. I do not have to entrust my time to 5 hapless fucks who between them all dont have enough brain activity to power a watch. I went from 63-67 in 2 days. 2 exp sessions and I was at 67. Then Garv and I proceeded to crank out a level a day almost. I am now 69. 70 tonight is a possibility assuming my leg co-operates.

it just so refreshing knowing that I don't have to gamble with my time. I can go out alone or with Garvin and have a stress free, death free time with intelligent conversation. So fuck LFP. fuck the morons that inhabit this game and fuck investing time in helping morons progress in this game.

Now a merit party or XP party with friends would be fun for sure. I LOVE to MB. Love Love Love it! So Kink I don't hold you in the wrong for wanting to merit/pt blm because it for sure is all about individual taste. I have had my fill of morons in parties and I will probably continue all the way to 75 with a solo duo or maybe even trio set ups. But c'mon the rest of you. Her names Kinkerbelle.....look at her sig......how could she not be a fun addition to any party. It's all about the conversation not the Xp/hour!
 
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Melee burn on Flans were extremely fun. I did it a few times back when the expansion came out. That camp really keeps a bard on his toes. It is fun sleeping the flans before they can get their GA's off(and having Rhad almost piss his pants because he thinks he's goiong to die from that Ga, lol).

It very fun to control 2-3 Flans while performing your regular duties. Team it up with some competent Melee you have a great PT. You can make a nice loop with some good practice.

Had some good times there, Dou the first WAR I've met who'd use Minstrel's Axe as a ranged WS to get hate if voke wasn't up. That was great, you get a Flan on your ass while you're singing and here comes the FLYING AXE. SHOOOOOM!

I'd like to PT on them sometime with BLMs.

Edit: i need to learn more words for fun, lol.
 
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Bedwarmer said:
Aren't you a Beastmaster? @_@;
Which means that now every thing I do is solo. Which sucks. Well, except endgame. Which is a different story.
 
I think the main point the OP was trying to make was that because BLM are needed so much in endgame, it's a strange double-bind we're in for exp. As in... we lose the exp and then we can't get the exp back. The only job that's comparable to exp loss in endgame are Paladins, who have it worse than BLMs for getting exp.

I'm not saying I necissarily agree with the assertion that because my BLM might lose exp doing whatever activity it means I'm owed exp invites by the general community(owed by LS members maybe), but I do think the idea that making the concept of exping for a BLM very unpleasant does decrease the likelyhood that a BLM is going to want to participlate in any endgame activity where they'll lose it.

(Unfortunately Paladins are such a low demand job: They will put up with it, while BLM people try and get as many as possible so are more likely to jet.)

Of course, to a endgame person, the only BLM you're going to care about are the ones in your LS, but hte way to get parties generally is to seek and play with the greater community. I think internally if for example I did with an LS something like Gallard Trouser NMs all day, something where BLM can really have to sacrifice their bodies to get a melee equipment, and then the melee immediately went and did a melee burn while I was seeking to get my exp back, I'd be somewhat unhappy about it. But that's a specific case, not general case.
 
Skaw said:
The best thing about this whine, is that Black Mages started the discrimination first with manaburn EXP parties. Guess thats omitted history when they want a classic party

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I must have missed this during my Black Mage career. Same goes for my 2 best in game friends who are BLM. I was never in a manaburn until level 73, when invites stopped for standard parties and manaburn was only real option.
So the 'you did it first' thing is just doesn't wash.
 
Zeoaesir said:
I must have missed this during my Black Mage career. Same goes for my 2 best in game friends who are BLM. I was never in a manaburn until level 73, when invites stopped for standard parties and manaburn was only real option.
So the 'you did it first' thing is just doesn't wash.

Just because you personally didnt do it until 73 doesnt mean that manaburn parties didnt exist first....
 
etchdog2000 said:
Just because you personally didnt do it until 73 doesnt mean that manaburn parties didnt exist first....

But it gives a more truthfull impression of how prevelant they were.

..... NOT VERY

If I were to be perfectly honest I don't particulary mind not getting in

standard parties.

I can get very decent exp solo. I can get this without having to set aside a 3 hour minimum. 30 mins here, and hour there, kill a mob > do the dishes > kill a mob > iron a shirt etc etc. Solo exp is good for when you have some rl chores to be done. I have even meritted my WAR by soloing BLM! : )

Manaburn works well for 2-6 blm and variations of rdm or brd support. I find them fun to take part in. Exp doesn't match top level tp burn, but it matches the majority of most parties that don't get the 14k + /hr

Most of us will level a variety of jobs to end levels. It makes sense to level jobs that are diffferent. 1. To make the gaming experience have variety, 2. It makes you more flexible in endgame and helping friends 3. Assault sometimes needs specific job talents.

I do understand where Kink is coming from and it would be great if SE made our inclusion in standard parties more useful.
 
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Bedwarmer said:
Nah, I only haste Daodao. He outparses you with ease anyway. I like a return on my investment.

You realize I'm always the tank (until someone WS's) and tanks have parse %s lowered from casting shadows, right? :\
 
Zeoaesir said:
I must have missed this during my Black Mage career. Same goes for my 2 best in game friends who are BLM. I was never in a manaburn until level 73, when invites stopped for standard parties and manaburn was only real option.
So the 'you did it first' thing is just doesn't wash.

The "I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE IT SO IT DIDN'T EXIST" arguement is better left to only be used by religions.
 
PLD RNG DRG WHM RDM BLM rocks Lufaise Meadows. Try it out.

PLD DD DD BLM BLM WHM all with sanction refresh/black cloaks/noble's tunic and a little bit of downtime rocks the trees in the 'mire (2x Dark/Light Burst rules). Swap a BLM for a RDM for no downtime but longer kills.

PLD BLMx4 BRD works great on anything that can be manaburned. Use PLD as puller/healer/coverwhore.
 
See these are great suggestions!

I hate it when people get it into their minds that there is just one way to make xp. It's the same people that think nin is the perfect sub for almost every job, I'll bet. LOL

Celvantes said:
PLD RNG DRG WHM RDM BLM rocks Lufaise Meadows. Try it out.

PLD DD DD BLM BLM WHM all with sanction refresh/black cloaks/noble's tunic and a little bit of downtime rocks the trees in the 'mire (2x Dark/Light Burst rules). Swap a BLM for a RDM for no downtime but longer kills.

PLD BLMx4 BRD works great on anything that can be manaburned. Use PLD as puller/healer/coverwhore.
 
So all you wanted was the list of camps where a blm could join an exp party? Just because you know where you can camp doesn't mean that people will actually join or want to go there.

I had a blm in a semi-cannon the other week, who was incapable of casting stun until just after the Mamool's -ga just hit everyone. That was with me saying stun as soon as it started casting. Give me some blm's worth a damn and I'd be willing to invite them more often to exp, but most of them just want to nukebot.
 
If I had 4 BLM and a BRD I would rather had 5 members than a PLD 6th.

If it was 4 BLM and a RDM then maybe something with /BRD would be useful.

I mean, yes, another WAR is more useful to a TP burn, but at least a BLM DOES something.
 
Eulore said:
You realize I'm always the tank (until someone WS's) and tanks have parse %s lowered from casting shadows, right? :\

Cry moar.
 
Skaw said:
The "I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE IT SO IT DIDN'T EXIST" arguement is better left to only be used by religions.


Or heard of anyone that experienced it.

It wasn't that big a thing. I know it doesn't fit in with your pretty pictures of blm life.

PS
Is there a god?
 
Zeoaesir said:
Or heard of anyone that experienced it.

Then you need to quit living under a rock. We aren't the only server, and it still happened on it before the melee cannon craze started.
 
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