Michael Moore's "Sicko"

Bajaratt said:
Oh, and if you had something seriously wrong with you and you wait 2 weeks to go to your normal doctor rather than an emergency room, you're an idiot.
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First off, you're assuming I have enough money to cover the expenses of an ER visit. I'm not saying one way or another, but I'm sure this point is discussed in the documentary. Michael Moore gets a lot of shit from the media, from haters, what have you - I think one of the first insults that comes to mind is his weight for whatever reason as if his weight problem undermines his authority as a journalist. Anyway I'm rooting for the guy and plan on seeing this when it hits theaters, if not to support him then to support the people who are now suffering from the aftermath of cleaning up the remains from 9/11. The point I made by bringing this topic up that it's *typical* I think, to see this kind of backlash coming from the Bush Administration (edit*before it hit theaters*) because he bashed one of the key points Bush was supposed to reform when he made not one but two state of the union addresses. When I have more time I'll dig them both up for your viewing pleasures.
 
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2 weeks is actually pretty good for a non-emergency visit. Most doctors will find a way to fit you in faster if it's something that warrants immediate attention, as long as you're an established patient. I remember I got an appointment same-day with my regular doc when I mentioned an abnormal growth (it turned out to be nothing), and my kids get same-day visits with their pediatrician all the time. If you're not an established patient, there's urgent care centers everywhere that will see you in a few hours, depending on the wait.

The amount of time you have to wait on average is entirely dependant on one thing: the doctor/patient ratio. In an area with lots of patients but very few doctors, it's harder to get an appointment. If anything Canada seems to be a little worse off than the US in this regard. They have double the problems in the fact that fewer people seem to want to practice medicine in Canada than the US, coupled with a higher patient load. When the gov'ment is footing the bill instead of yourself, it becomes a lot easier to justify seeing the doctor for tennis elbow or excessive flatulence or whatever.
 
Healthcare in the US is expensive. This is not news. This is not some deeply hidden secret that nobody talks about. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS ALREADY. Michael Moore is not the first to publicize this. He's never been the first to publicize anything. He waits until he sees a MARKET for what he's pushing, or finds a nice emotional hook that'll drag idiots into the theaters, and THEN suddenly he develops an interest in "exposing the truth".
 
Shady said:
First off, you're assuming I have enough money to cover the expenses of an ER visit. I'm not saying one way or another, but I'm sure this point is discussed in the documentary. Michael Moore gets a lot of shit from the media, from haters, what have you - I think one of the first insults that comes to mind is his weight for whatever reason as if his weight problem undermines his authority as a journalist. Anyway I'm rooting for the guy and plan on seeing this when it hits theaters, if not to support him then to support the people who are now suffering from the aftermath of cleaning up the remains from 9/11. The point I made by bringing this topic up that it's *typical* I think, to see this kind of backlash coming from the Bush Administration because he bashed one of the key points Bush was supposed to reform when he made not one but two state of the union addresses. When I have more time I'll dig them both up for your viewing pleasures.
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If you notice, I said something seriously wrong with you, broken bone, coughing up a lot of blood, having something sharp or even dull stabbed into you;, that's stuff that you'd be retarded to not go to the emergency room, if you can pay for it or not.

People hate him because he's a fucking idiot who makes retarded propaganda movies. You're a complete idiot if you think he's displaying the actual truth, like Raes says, he starts with a conclusion and only shows whatever he can warp to fit that conclusion and that's called propaganda. He does dumb shit just to drum up his movies and claim that he's being attacked because he's putting out the truth when it hasn't been the case yet. As I said before, I'm positive he really did violate that embargo and did it for the sole purpose of claiming they're trying to silence him for free publicity since no one gives a fuck about his movies. The investigation has nothing to do with what the film was about, and everything to do with breaking the law.
 
Taking bets on his next movie.

"Anna Nicole Smith: the only serial killer approved by the USA"
 
Bajaratt said:
The investigation has nothing to do with what the film was about, and everything to do with breaking the law.
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Yea and it's a funny thing about laws, this one was put into effect in 2004 called the embargo law..
"The new rule enables U.S. persons to freely engage in most ordinary publishing activities with persons in Cuba, Iran and Sudan, while maintaining restrictions on certain interactions with the governments, government officials, and people acting on behalf of the governments of those countries."

Yea so what part of that did he violate again?
 
Shady said:
Yea and it's a funny thing about laws, this one was put into effect in 2004 called the embargo law..
"The new rule enables U.S. persons to freely engage in most ordinary publishing activities with persons in Cuba, Iran and Sudan, while maintaining restrictions on certain interactions with the governments, government officials, and people acting on behalf of the governments of those countries."

Yea so what part of that did he violate again?
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Bolded it for you in case you missed it... when you quoted it.
 
Raes beat me to it. There was nothing wrong with going to Cuba, but what he DID THERE is what he's getting in trouble for. If you don't even understand or even bother to read what you're quoting, stop posting.
 
Wow you guys can bold stuff that's neat. But interviewing people who are not associated with the government, mainly the suspected Al Quaida terrorists, and talking with their doctors is not breaking this law. Nor are they representative of their government solely based on their position as a healthcare provider. So you didn't actually prove dick, and when he's brought to trial I guarantee you nothing will happen because it is, as Moore states, harassment.
 
Shady said:
Wow you guys can bold stuff that's neat. But interviewing people who are not associated with the government, mainly the suspected Al Quaida terrorists, and talking with their doctors is not breaking this law. Nor are they representative of their government solely based on their position as a healthcare provider. So you didn't actually prove dick, and when he's brought to trial I guarantee you nothing will happen because it is, as Moore states, harassment.
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So you are saying you know everything that he did while he was down there? You know all the people he talked with as well? Please tell me how he is comparing government (including Cuba's) based health care without interacting with their government in any way.
 
You haven't seen the film yet. You don't know what he did while in Cuba. Even if you had seen the film, you weren't on the film crew, so you still wouldn't know what he did while in Cuba. And in the incredibly unlikely event that you were on the film crew, it'd be very likely that you don't have the foggiest fucking idea what constitutes a violation of the embargo in the first place.

Is it possible that nothing will come of the investigation? Of course. But that doesn't invalidate the process.
 
Shady said:
Wow you guys can bold stuff that's neat. But interviewing people who are not associated with the government, mainly the suspected Al Quaida terrorists, and talking with their doctors is not breaking this law. Nor are they representative of their government solely based on their position as a healthcare provider. So you didn't actually prove dick, and when he's brought to trial I guarantee you nothing will happen because it is, as Moore states, harassment.
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A government doctor, which is every doctor in Cuba, is a person acting on behalf of the government. But then, you probably couldn't read that with micheal moore's stomach blocking your view from his lap.

He's calling it harassment because he wants publicity, that's the only reason.
 
I wounder why he didn't go anywhere in Africa, the middle east, latin america or south america to compair their government funded health care to show how bad ours is hmmmm.
 
duncanrun said:
I wounder why he didn't go anywhere in Africa, the middle east, latin america or south america to compair their government funded health care to show how bad ours is hmmmm.
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Because the point of his argument was to show that suspected Al Quaida get better treatment then 9/11 victims. dont have time to respond to other posts atm but i'll get back to you.
 
Shady said:
Because the point of his argument was to show that suspected Al Quaida get better treatment then 9/11 victims. dont have time to respond to other posts atm but i'll get back to you.
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Oh I see then the point of the quote below was?

Shady said:
The director then goes to Cuba to seek treatment for the workers and to film Cuba's healthcare system.
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"At the centre of the storm is a 15-minute section of Sicko, a film on the problems of the US healthcare system, which shows Moore attempting to reach the Guantanamo Bay detention camp to make the point that suspected al-Qaida detainees were getting better health-care treatment than three ailing September 11 rescue workers onboard with him."

Which directly preceded that quote you just asked me about. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at... it's very hectic at my office right now so my mind isn't focused on this discussion, I apologize.
 
The Navy actually for a very good health system. Well unless you stationed on a ship the your SOL. I got all 4 of my wisdon teeth taken out about 2 weeks ago, I got a ton of medicine and I didnt pay a single cent. In fact I was forced to get them taken out :/
 
Moore just waits for the opportunity to pull the hearstrings. If those DC Hospitals weren't treating 9/11 victims, it'd be ignored.

More like Mockumentary, rite gaiz?
 
Moore's films must be parodys, because like parodys, they make no sense...


and I cant spell the plural form of parody.
 
They are parodies. He's a comedian social commentator. He always has been. He's always blown things way out of proportion to his side with ridiculous cut and pastings that don't represent and aren't even meant to represent both sides. You can fault him for it, but only if you actually detect that he knows he's doing it. Anger or approval at what Moore does comes in tiers. At all tiers people hate him or love him, but higher tiers at least recognize that he is in no way even attempting to be unbiased and that most people are capable of realizing that the documentaries are blatantly biased.

The idea that the lowest people love it and the highest people hate it is wrong. Lighten up guys. Bowling for Columbine was good. He has an opinion. It is a very valid opinion. He makes his point. He does it in an outrageous fashion. He does what he does well.

I think the people so bent out of shape and claim that he's a brainwasher are getting just a tad bit whooshed to be honest. Don't be so serious. He's not that sinister. The masses get it just a bit more than you give them credit for. Well, most of them. My opinion is that most people who like his work are capable of recognizing the bias for what it is, that his main ideas are noble and his first documentary was gold. However, I think he shot himself in the foot. He makes a much better social commentator than a political commentator. Much much better.
 
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