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It isn't like Fedor has been ducking top competition, he fought #7 Ranked HW in Brett Rogers and also top 3 in Arlovski. He was also supposed to fight #2 in Barnett, but for reasons that Fedor can't control he didn't. I see Fedor fighting Overeem, Barnett, and Werdum over the next year or so.
 
You mean Roided up Barnett and Werdum who got rocked by JDS whos still an up an comer and subsequently dropped from the UFC. Idk how Rodgers is ranked #7, I mean dont get me wrong hes got power for sure and I like him, but aside from Arlovski who has he beaten? His 4 fights before that were against a dude who was 5-1 (against no names too), a dude 4-3 , 14-11 and 5-10. Overeem would be a solid fight though, I would like to see that, but not enough to say I like Fedor being in SF.
 
No matter how much talent Rogers may or may not have, there is no way of him really deserving a No.7 ranking in the HW division. Many people said they only gave him that ranking because he was fighting Fedor (So he MUST be good), which is unjust.

I havent exactly said Fedor has been ducking top competition, but i will say he himself, has not been openly saying he wants to be the best, and beat the best.

I have one question for you Auron, since you seem to be a fan of Fedor. Why did he turn down the biggest contract in UFC history for less money in Strikeforce? Answer this question in regards to Fedor the fighter, not M1 the businessmen
 
I know the first time he turned down the UFC was because it had to do with the UFC requiring a certain level of exclusivity that wouldn't allow him to take place in sambo matches which turned him away. As far as the reason this time though after talks were reopened, i have no idea.
 
This time it was turned down because M1 wanted to Co-Promote events with the UFC, which of course the UFC wont allow, they would be stupid to. My question is why would Fedor, as a fighter care about that? Im not saying hes ducking competition, i just think at this point he doesnt really care to fight top competition, or hes beeing puppeteered by his management.
 
Fedor is under contract and is part owner in M-1. So the better they do, the more money he makes. And the contract wasn't as glamorous as you may of heard previously. There was no 6 fight 30 million dollar contract, that was a rumor that was squashed quite some time ago. The fact is that the UFC still has the most demanding and exclusive contract so Fedor went where he would have more freedom.

Also Co-Promotion with M-1 brings in millions of viewers since M-1 has contracts with cable stations all over Europe and Asia which the UFC currently has no way of getting their product too.
 
You have to be completely blind to think that UFC Co-Promoting with M1 would make them more money, that is completely rediculous.

My point is, the UFC contract certainly wasnt terrible, if it was so bad why are so many fighters wanting to get into it? My point is, he didnt really care to be the undisputable no.1 heavyweight in the world, he might be the best but he didnt care to show the world, he preferred to according to you make more money and have freedom.
 
Airou said:
You have to be completely blind to think that UFC Co-Promoting with M1 would make them more money, that is completely rediculous.

My point is, the UFC contract certainly wasnt terrible, if it was so bad why are so many fighters wanting to get into it? My point is, he didnt really care to be the undisputable no.1 heavyweight in the world, he might be the best but he didnt care to show the world, he preferred to according to you make more money and have freedom.
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I believe if they Co-Promoted on a free card such as something on Spike they would make more money. Fedor doesn't really give a shit about what people really think hence why all he does is work out, spend time with his family, and devote himself to his church. He hasn't gotten wrapped up in the stardom and still lives a simple life in his hometown. And he is the consensus #1 Heavyweight so he gets it all.

You talk about Rogers only having one name, but look at Shane Carwin. Who has he beaten besides Gonzaga? Yet he is such a worthy opponent for Brock. Or Cain Velasquez whos biggest win is Cheick Kongo and we saw how well he is doing these days. There is the same amount of worthy competition outside of the UFC as there is inside of it.

And don't be so naive, yes Barnett is on roids, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the MMA world is also on them. They just are smart enough to not get caught.
 
Well, Carwin was Supposed to fight with Velasquez, but with his inexperience, the addition of Ben Rothwell, Nog comming off a loss to Mir and match with Couture, and JDS not emerging just yet, he was the most qualified. The HW division has changed greatly in the past 6 months.

If Fedor doesnt care what his fans think, than he can go fuck himself, thats what your saying. Im sure his fans, whether they think hes already No.1 or not, would love to see him fight any of the afformentioned guys.
 
Auron X said:
I believe if they Co-Promoted on a free card such as something on Spike they would make more money. Fedor doesn't really give a shit about what people really think hence why all he does is work out, spend time with his family, and devote himself to his church. He hasn't gotten wrapped up in the stardom and still lives a simple life in his hometown. And he is the consensus #1 Heavyweight so he gets it all.

You talk about Rogers only having one name, but look at Shane Carwin. Who has he beaten besides Gonzaga? Yet he is such a worthy opponent for Brock. Or Cain Velasquez whos biggest win is Cheick Kongo and we saw how well he is doing these days. There is the same amount of worthy competition outside of the UFC as there is inside of it.

And don't be so naive, yes Barnett is on roids, but I'm willing to bet a majority of the MMA world is also on them. They just are smart enough to not get caught.
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From Sherdog.com:
Frank Mir 2126 UFC 107
Cain Velasquez 1812 UFC 104
Junior dos Santos 1781 UFC 103
Ben Rothwell 1744 UFC 104
Andrei Arlovski 1666 Strikeforce
Gabriel Gonzaga 1629 UFC 102
Fabricio Werdum 1617 Strikeforce / M-1 Global
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1586 UFC 102
Brock Lesnar 1282 UFC 100
Cheick Kongo 1266 UFC 107
Shane Carwin 1262 UFC 96
Fedor Emelianenko 1166 Strikeforce / M-1 Global
Chris Tuchscherer 1058 UFC 102
Houston Alexander 1038 UFC
Alexey Oleinik 996 IAFC
Jeff Monson 978 BCN 4
Josh Barnett 872 Affliction
Tim Sylvia 822 AMMA 4
Tim Hague 809 UFC 102
Brett Rogers 791 Strikeforce / M-1 Global
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That is the current power rankings from sherdog, based on:

Power Ratings are a statistical approach designed to provide an unbiased answer this age-old question. The Power Ratings use complex mathematical calculations to rank fighters, based on several factors:

1. The outcome of the match.

2. The quality of the opponent at the time of the match. Example: A win over an opponent who is on a winning streak is worth more than a win over that same opponent 2 years later after he's on a losing streak.

3. The sum of points generated for each match determines the power rating of the fighter.

4."Current" rankings only include the fighter's most recent matches.

5. The "Career" rankings include the fighter's entire career.

Looks like currently the talent pool almost all sits in the UFC, and of all the comptetors above 1000, 2 were dropped from the UFC for poor preformance (Werdum and Arlovski) and Fedor won't sign with them.
 
I honestly have no idea what that even means. That list has no ranking to it at all and anything that puts fighters such as Ben Rothwell or Cheick Kongo ahead of people like Big Nog, Fedor, and Brock is laughable.

MMAweekly said:
#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Brock Lesnar

3. Frank Mir

4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

5. Cain Velasquez

6. Junior Dos Santos

7. Brett Rogers

8. Shane Carwin

9. Fabricio Werdum

10. Alistair Overeem
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mmaplayground said:
#1 Fedor Emelianenko

#2 Brock Lesnar

#3 Frank Mir

#4 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Shane Carwin

#6 Cain Velasquez

#7 Josh Barnett

#8 Junior Dos Santos

#9 Alistair Overeem

#10 Brett Rogers
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ProFighting-Fans said:
1. Fedor Emelianenko (31-1) – “The Last Emperor” solidified his position as the number one heavyweight in the world with his 2nd round TKO victory over Brett Rogers at Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers early in November. His 11 fight win streak and his 28 fight undefeated streak is remarkable in itself, but throw in that he hasn’t been to a decision in over four years and that makes his run much more impressive.

2. Brock Lesnar (4-1) – Since joining the UFC, the 6’4” 265 pound giant has climbed to the top of every top 10 ranking board. Two hard-earned victories over Heath Herring and Randy Couture along with a TKO of Frank Mir at the historic UFC 100 event have erased any doubts of whether Lesnar is for real. He has had his next title defense with Shane Carwin moved twice and now it is put on the backburner as he recuperates from illness.

3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1) – “Minotauro,” who already was experienced beyond his years, has steadily improved since first stepping into the octagon at UFC 73 in July 2007. Nogueira has been on the winning end in 3 of his last 4 bouts, including one of his most impressive victories at UFC 102 by defeating “The Natural,” Randy Couture. Nogueira also owns notable wins over Cro Cop, Mark Coleman, Fabricio Werdum, and Heath Herring. He will fight Cain Velasquez at UFC 108 in January for the right to challenge for the HW belt.
4. Cain Velasquez (7-0) – The American Kickboxing Academy fighter has quietly risen to the top of the heavyweight division. His perfect 5-0 record inside of the octagon is highlighted by his decision victory over Cheick Kongo at UFC 99 and a UFC 104 TKO of IFL-er Big Ben Rothwell. He will challenge Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 108 in January in a number one contender’s bout.

5. Shane Carwin (8-0) – The Colorado-based heavyweight came into the UFC with a sparkling 8-0 record and has continued his success among the world’s best. A UFC 84 KO of Christian Wellisch was followed by a TKO of Neil Wain at UFC 89. His UFC 96 1st round TKO of the respected Gabriel Gonzaga moved him into the driver’s seat for a title bout. Although the date and place have yet to be finalized, it looks as if Carwin will be the next challenger for Brock Lesnar.

6. Alistair Overeem (31-11) – It seems that “Demolition Man” is getting better as he gains more experience. The Dutch bruiser has been on fire over the last two years. Since winning the Strikeforce heavyweight title in November 2007, Overeem hasn’t lost, instead posted a 5-0 record with 1 no contest. While no bout is scheduled, he plans on defending his Strikeforce title sometime in 2010.

7. Frank Mir (12-4) – The 30 year old Vegas native was riding high after defeating Antoni Hardonk, Brock Lesnar, and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira in succession. However, after losing to Lesnar in their UFC 100 rematch, the two-time UFC heavyweight champ fell off of his high horse and back down to earth. Mir remains a solid heavyweight with a bright future ahead of him. He will battle Cheick Kongo at UFC 107 on December 12 in Memphis, TN.


8. Junior dos Santos (9-1) – Team Nogueira striker completed 6 of 7 KO’s while fighting in Brazil prior to joining the big leagues in late 2008. Since that time, dos Santos has easily stopped Fabricio Werdum and fast-rising Stefan Struve as well as finishing a legend in Mirko Cro Cop via 3 rd round TKO at UFC 103 in September. He will fight fellow Brazilian Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 108 in January.

9. Randy Couture (16-10) – Although Couture has dropped his last two bouts, first to Lesnar and then to Nogueira, he maintains a solid position within the top ten. The UFC Hall of Famer has recent victories over Gabriel Gonzaga and Tim Sylvia. He doesn’t look to be losing any of his fighter’s status as he nears age 47. He will drop down to 205 pounds to fight Brandon Vera in the main event at UFC 105 this weekend in England.

10. Josh Barnett (24-5) – “The Babyfaced Assassin” is on a four-fight win streak that has included fights in Sengoku and Affliction. Although his career has taken him on several detours, he remains a heavyweight force to be reckoned with. Rumors have circulated as to where the Seattle-born fighter will go next, but while Japan is the most likely destination, Strikeforce is also an option for a future fight.
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BloodyElbow said:
Rank Fighter % Promotion Last Rank
1 Fedor Emelianenko 100 M-1 Global/Strikeforce 1
2 Brock Lesnar 96 UFC 2
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 88 UFC 3
4 Frank Mir 86 UFC 4
5 Junior dos Santos 74 UFC 7
6 Josh Barnett 74 WVR 5
7 Cain Velasquez 67 UFC 11
8 Brett Rogers 65 Strikeforce 8
9 Shane Carwin 62 UFC 6
10 Fabricio Werdum 50 Strikeforce 13
11 Alistair Overeem 50 DREAM/Strikeforce 11
12 Randy Couture 49 UFC 9
13 Andrei Arlovski 44 ??? 10
14 Jeff Monson 27 Free Agent 14
15 Tim Sylvia 26 Adrenaline 18
16 Gabriel Gonzaga 24 UFC 15
17 Cheick Kongo 23 UFC 16
18 Antonio Silva 22 WVR/Strikeforce 22
19 Pedro Rizzo 21 Free Agent 19
19 Marcio Cruz 21 Art of Fighting 23
21 Ben Rothwell 21 UFC 17
22 Gilbert Yvel 20 Fight Force International 24
22 Ray Mercer 20 Adrenaline 26
22 Semmy Schilt 20 K-1 24
25 Aleksander Emelianenko 19 ProFC 20
25 Roy Nelson 19 UFC 21
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Fightmagazine said:
Heavyweight (265)


* 1. Fedor Emelianenko

* 2. Brock Lesnar

* 3. Cain Velasquez

* 4. Josh Barnett

* 5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

* 6. Jeff Monson

* 7. Frank Mir

* 8. Brett Rogers

* 9. Junior dos Santos

* 10. Alistair Overeem
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Need I list more? Fedor is the consensus #1 HW in the world by the majority of the MMA community and still has some good competition outside of
 
MAIN CARD

* Cung Le vs. Scott Smith
* Champ Josh Thomson vs. interim champ Gilbert Melendez (lightweight title-unification bout)
* Matt Lindland vs. Ronald "Jacare" Souza
* Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal vs. Mike Whitehead
* Robbie Lawler vs. TBA

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Antwain Britt vs. Scott Lighty
* Daisuke Nakamura vs. TBA*
* Juan Nunez vs. Luis Mendoza
* Bobby Stack vs. Alex Trevino
* Alex Crispim vs. A.J. Fonseca

Anyone who isn't excited over this Strikeforce card really can't call themselves an MMA fan.
 
Well I was never arguing that Fedor is #1, and sherdog has him as #1 for all time, the list I posted is a current list thats based on statistics and more recent fights. All those list show is that the majority of the better heavyweight fighters are indeed in the UFC. 6/10 in the first list, 6/10 in the second, 7/10 in the third, 6/10 in the fourth and 5/5 in the fifth. The only people outside the UFC that pose a threat really is Overeem possibly Barnett if he gets off the roids, oh and possibly Rogers when he gets better and gets another shot at him. Where as I could see any of the top ufc HW take him down.

Just looking at Fedors last two fights, he didnt even really look that good in either one, just got one power shot in to end the fight. Which, i guess could be seen as good, but shit Arlovski was rockin him until he decided to throw that stupid flying knee. And rogers was hangin in and for a second i almost though he was gonna pound him out, but Fedor got in a nice escape. I'm not sayin he isn't number 1, just he'd have some better more challenging fights lined up in the UFC. As it is now though, I hope overeem beats him lol.
 
RaidrX said:
Well I was never arguing that Fedor is #1, and sherdog has him as #1 for all time, the list I posted is a current list thats based on statistics and more recent fights. All those list show is that the majority of the better heavyweight fighters are indeed in the UFC. 6/10 in the first list, 6/10 in the second, 7/10 in the third, 6/10 in the fourth and 5/5 in the fifth. The only people outside the UFC that pose a threat really is Overeem possibly Barnett if he gets off the roids, oh and possibly Rogers when he gets better and gets another shot at him. Where as I could see any of the top ufc HW take him down.

Just looking at Fedors last two fights, he didnt even really look that good in either one, just got one power shot in to end the fight. Which, i guess could be seen as good, but shit Arlovski was rockin him until he decided to throw that stupid flying knee. And rogers was hangin in and for a second i almost though he was gonna pound him out, but Fedor got in a nice escape. I'm not sayin he isn't number 1, just he'd have some better more challenging fights lined up in the UFC. As it is now though, I hope overeem beats him lol.
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You need to rewatch those fights if you think fedor was in trouble. His timing has become so amazing over the years. He also avoided most of arlovski's power punches and took no real damage, the attack that rogers had when he stood up in Fedor's guard looked bad the first time I watched it, but when I rewatched it Brett barely landed 3 shots. The thing that makes Fedor the GOAT is that he beats people at their own strengths and no matter how much trouble he may appear to be in, he always comes out on top.
 
Im not too excited about that card, and?

Lol you cant argue with him Raidr, hes a die hard fedor fan, his timing is real awesome, letting Rodgers maul him on the ground, a guy with hardly any wrestling skill. He timed all of that im sure to make the fight more interesting.

Anyway, you dont need to post 100 media sites saying hes the No.1 Heavyweight, i never argued that, i just have my own personal opinion, and you have yours.

Also, I think that if any one guy out of the many we listed from the UFC, were to become champion and beat every single other HW contender we listed (Nog, Mir, JDS, Cain, Carwin, GG, Lesnar, Etc.), if they beat them all i believe theyd be ranked ahead of Fedor.
 
Airou said:
Im not too excited about that card, and?

Lol you cant argue with him Raidr, hes a die hard fedor fan, his timing is real awesome, letting Rodgers maul him on the ground, a guy with hardly any wrestling skill. He timed all of that im sure to make the fight more interesting.

Anyway, you dont need to post 100 media sites saying hes the No.1 Heavyweight, i never argued that, i just have my own personal opinion, and you have yours.

Also, I think that if any one guy out of the many we listed from the UFC, were to become champion and beat every single other HW contender we listed (Nog, Mir, JDS, Cain, Carwin, GG, Lesnar, Etc.), if they beat them all i believe theyd be ranked ahead of Fedor.
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I am a die hard Fedor fan and I have never been afraid to admit that, but after seeing all his fights multiple times I would expect everyone to be. The dude is unreal. I have also learned not to follow the UFC blindly and nowadays they seem to be focused more on quantity over quality, while strikeforce may not put on a card every month they sure as hell make the cards exciting and packed. I think by the time a UFC HW can defeat all of those people Fedor will either be the UFC HW doing that, or he will be retired.
 
Did you guys see that Kick from the black dude in WEC? While the guy was running away and he just whacks him? That was sick!
 
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