Mugo & Rockie

[Dowzer]

Lionsheart is also POST 60. That is what you're missing here. So Assassin kicked in and guaranteed the TA to hit, but was the SA guaranteed? More tests you're using the friend defense here.

Edit: Where is him using SA? He said he did TA, but I don't see that Sneak Attack going off. He also wasn't under Hide when he did the TA. His experiment there was kind of useless.

Edit 2: BTW read the other edit I had made on the post you quoted.

I've known Lionsheart since I saw him soloing Bloodtear Baldurf over 2 years ago...I understand assassin and that he didn't use SA. Sorry if I sounded confusing by saying a first provoke isn't needed for SATA/Hide.

What I'm argueing here, is that Hide worked.

Normally after pulling, you would get the message saying you're spotted - from failing to use Hide properly. However, Lionsheart only aggro'd the monster - he didn't use a ranged attack or anything offensive to pull the crab. Therefore, Hide worked.

The trick attack was used -only- because the NPC cannot provoke/pull hate.

The experiment covered exactly what the thesis arguement was all about. Would you be able to hide after aggroing a monster that tracks by sound? Lionsheart said it would work and provided evidence.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was belittling you by saying you haven't played the job. No offense there, even because I was unsure this would work. Basically, this is all a misunderstanding and you're chasing a different arguement.

 

[Romper]

I've known Lionsheart since I saw him soloing Bloodtear Baldurf over 2 years ago...I understand assassin and that he didn't use SA. Sorry if I sounded confusing by saying a first provoke isn't needed for SATA/Hide.

What I'm argueing here, is that Hide worked.

Normally after pulling, you would get the message saying you're spotted - from failing to use Hide properly. However, Lionsheart only aggro'd the monster - he didn't use a ranged attack or anything offensive to pull the crab. Therefore, Hide worked.

The trick attack was used -only- because the NPC cannot provoke/pull hate.

The experiment covered exactly what the thesis arguement was all about. W

Would you be able to hide after aggroing a monster that tracks by sound? Lionsheart said it would work and provided evidence.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was belittling you by saying you haven't played the job. No offense there, even because I was unsure this would work. Basically, this is all a misunderstanding and you're chasing a different arguement.

Damn it you're actually making me do this....

/goes to sign into FFXI.

I'll post pics with my THF soon. Hopefully my TA hits.

Edit: Totally forgot that my NPC is incredibly weak. NPC died before TA went off.

 

[Dowzer]

So I just got home and I'm up in sky with Rawr.

I aggro'd a detector and Gregedor attacked it. I promptly used Hide right after that with success...Need me to make a video?

 

[Romper]

So I just got home and I'm up in sky with Rawr.

I aggro'd a detector and Gregedor attacked it. I promptly used Hide right after that with success...Need me to make a video?

Did you have sneak on otherwise the odds of aggroing another detector are pretty damn good unless it was the end of a hall. You also didn't have hate build. Once again aggro hate is minimal at best. Trust me when my NPC went down I hit flee got aggro from an exoray the exoray lost interest in me running before the crawler did. The crawler followed me all the way to zone.

 

[lionsheart]

Sigh. I dun think you understand the concept of "Aggro Target" and "Enmity List"

What exactly do you want me to show? I showed that I can aggro pull a mob which is sound aggresive and then I can use hide, or even SATA hide after the mob is being voked by the tank.

Dowzer's case is another perfect example. It doesn't matter if gred has 100 enmity or -100 enmity on his gear when he voked. Greg is the only one on enmity list, while dowzer never get into that.


P.s. in dynamis atm , will try to answer you Qs when I get out.

 

[Romper]

Sigh. I dun think you understand the concept of "Aggro Target" and "Enmity List"

What exactly do you want me to show? I showed that I can aggro pull a mob which is sound aggresive and then I can use hide, or even SATA hide after the mob is being voked by the tank.

Dowzer's case is another perfect example. It doesn't matter if gred has 100 enmity or -100 enmity on his gear when he voked. Greg is the only one on enmity list, while dowzer never get into that.


P.s. in dynamis atm , will try to answer you Qs when I get out.

Ya going back and reading I made a mistake. It's been over a year since I leveled thief.