My Dearest Masta Audino

[Rappa]

So if I post midget scat porn they should leave it just because I can't edit my post, even though it's a violation of the rules? Mods are given the ability to edit posts for a reason.

 

[Skaw]

You're right, it is an awful comparison. At least the GM gets something for his time, the mods nil. Mods (or more specifically Admin, in this case) could edit pretty much anything he wanted to, and you're going off because he made 2 edits removing a Private message (Which I believe, is not a public one - I could be wrong, they both start with P)...?

No, retard, it's an awful comparison because a GM doesn't warp around so he can get to an EXP camp faster.

And again, whats the difference between a PM being posted and flamed over versus a screenshot of some tells?

 

[Skaw]

So if I post midget scat porn they should leave it just because I can't edit my post, even though it's a violation of the rules? Mods are given the ability to edit posts for a reason.

Not every post thats been edited/removed has been a violation of the rules.

 

[Neisan]

The PM was removed at Miros' discretion, not Audino's. Take it up with him since you're so against it.

 

[Skaw]

The PM was removed at Miros' discretion, not Audino's. Take it up with him since you're so against it.

Hi, theres no rule about posting PMs on the flameboard as of this thread

Consistency.

 

[Urat]

The fact that a PM is on QCDN, where it is posted, and a SC is in ffxi, not QCDN?

And where the hell do you seriously think mods should not be able to edit. Think about that.

He's a Mod-er-ate-errrrrr. You know, he people that have been given the power to edit posts?

To use Tyraths point, thats like telling a GM he's not allowed to warp becuase the other players can't. Simple.

 

[Skaw]

The fact that a PM is on QCDN, where it is posted, and a SC is in ffxi, not QCDN?

Both are private lines of communication. It doesn't matter where the fuck they originate from.

 

[Neisan]

I think you are just highly overreacting and a little too heated about this issue. It is a private message, and it's intended to be private. I don't install a hack that allows me to read everybody's PM. Therefore, since I have the decency to stay out of your box, I would appreciate that you keep them private.



My preference does matter. I don't usually flex the muscles but I am the one who has been keeping this site fresh and going. And yeah, ever since a certain other incident I have gotten kind of sick of people belittling the team so let's just keep private messages...private.



I think this thread really is the major one that has been edited in the flameboard in a while. I understand you want the private message public, but as an act of courtesy and respect I would hope that you will understand that they should be kept private. There's always alternatives such as "I received a very distasteful PM from X and I needed to vent". Other then that...there is no real editing I don't believe. I know there are a couple of posts that I have edited to simply fix a spoiler mark or whatnot, but that's hardly a reason to be upset about.

Yeah.

Note to self, Preview post more on FB.

 

[Rappa]

Hi, theres no rule about posting PMs on the flameboard as of this thread

Consistency.

Final Word:
Global Moderators/Admins - Situations will arise that these rules will not cover. Before, being biased was noted depending on your past behavior and your standing on the boards. Now, with a new crackdown to clean up certain parts of the forum, everyone will be treated the same.

 

[Skaw]

Final Word:
Global Moderators/Admins - Situations will arise that these rules will not cover. Before, being biased was noted depending on your past behavior and your standing on the boards. Now, with a new crackdown to clean up certain parts of the forum, everyone will be treated the same.

And again, screen grabs of tells aren't considered the same? How is this not sinking in for you people?

 

[Rappa]

And again, screen grabs of tells aren't considered the same? How is this not sinking in for you people?

Have you ever asked for the removal of a screenshot of tells in-game? Has anyone? This isn't the first time private posts have been removed. If someone asks for them to be removed, I'm sure they will be just like in this case.

 

[Skaw]

Have you ever asked for the removal of a screenshot of tells in-game? Has anyone? This isn't the first time private posts have been removed. If someone asks for them to be removed, I'm sure they will be just like in this case.

Then it's a question of whether or not the PM would've been removed had nobody said anything, and will we get a definitive, honest answer about this?

 

[Dejavu]

Well I actually had a conversation with Miros about this earlier in game and he stated that it was his decision to pull the PM out of my original post. Now he stated that this was because the PM was intended to be private and he didn’t want it to be in the thread. So I asked him what about ratings that people have in their sigs all over QCDN where people have rated them down those were also intended to be private but alas according to Miros they are not the same thing.

I'm not the one that removed the PM I sent to Dejavu which he posted in the OP, but I didn't personally care that he did it. I really don't have anything to hide. Stop sounding like another conspiracy theorist, ffs.

Someone suggested that the reason that it was removed was because I did not have the consent of Audino… there is my consent… Leave my picture alone and please repost it in my original post.

However even if Audino does say that he doesn’t mind if it is posted I highly doubt that Miros will allow it because it doesn’t exactly show his moderation staff in the best light.

Well incase they want to keep editing my posts and allow for this to be posted I will go ahead and include the link one more time.

Apparently NSFW cause it sure as hell doesn’t appear to be safe for the general qcdn community.

So if I post midget scat porn they should leave it just because I can't edit my post, even though it's a violation of the rules? Mods are given the ability to edit posts for a reason.

Rappa you are smarter than this… there is actually a reason why midget scat porn is not posted on this board… it is because we don’t want blackmagik to get too excited. My point is that there is no reason or precedence to remove a PM from a post and in this case there is actually precedence for it being allowed to stay on my side as well as I have the consent of the other party to post it.

So I ask what is the difference between posting something like above which I pulled out of Jamal’s sig and a PM that was sent to me on QCDN… Both once again were intended to be private…

All and all what i am asking for is rather fucking simple. Stop editing things on the flameboard. As far as the mindless post count +1 crap is concerned if someone does it too much other people will start to ignore them. :banghead3:

 

[Blazeoffury]

To be completely honest as soon as you press send you lose all ownership of what you wrote you are essentially handing it to whomever you sent it to to do whatever they wish with it. If you don't want it read by the public than the only way for this to happen is to not send it at all.

(Forgive my lol RL comparison).
The whole wanting a message you GAVE to someone else to never be seen by others is like when that shy highschool cheerleader who sent her boyfriend a nude pic that ended up all over the internet and embarrassed the hell out of her. the only true solution would have need to not send said pictures to another person.

All I'm trying to say is that after the message is in their possession (which was caused by yourself) then what ever they do with that said message is completely out of your control and 100% their discression.

Although this should never even have been a problem since the person who wrote the pm doesn't care whether or not it is in public view. Even though his opinion on the matter becomes null as soon as he or she presses send, the person who decided to delete it did so without consent of either party which basic does make him out to be flexing his ins for the sake of showing he's the boss.

 

[Vafruvant]

(For those who may read too far into the following, I am agreeing with the Admin on this here debate.)

Then it's a question of whether or not the PM would've been removed had nobody said anything, and will we get a definitive, honest answer about this?

Maybe it was Miros who asked for it to be removed, and, oh wait, Miros answered the question! They are still members of the community, they just have more power than us. Perhaps Miros took offense to the PM and removed it. Just because you don't see the legal jargon of it all doesn't mean jack shit.

Hi, theres no rule about posting PMs on the flameboard as of this thread

Consistency.

If it can offend someone, then it can be removed, Miros just has the power to do it on the fly.

Although I do agree this is a "baww" thread, there are a few valid points.

1. The removal of posts. FFXI-AH has the right idea, where comments are hidden if rated-down. I don't know if it can be instituted on QCDN, but if hiding PC+1's and not just *poof* deleting them is possible, it would appease both sides. It would make the FB seem cleaner while allowing the people who bitch and moan about them being deleted to stop bitching and moaning.

2. PM's vs. /tells being deleted. Neither is more apt to deletion than the other, IMO. They are the same in my book, and here's why they remain up: the party being flamed by said PM or /tell is going to whine about it, no shit, but it's when said PM or /tell offends a 3rd party that it becomes an issue. If it didn't offend you, that's all well and good, but quite frankly, that doesn't matter. The people who are offended by it will always take priority over the people who aren't. (see Pledge of Allegiance debate and the like (oh no! RL?!?! >.>))

3. Finally, thread locking. Overall, I disagree with thread locking, though there are obviously extreme cases. It sucks for those of us who wished we could have contributed to a thread but didn't see it in the day it was up. Hell, I know with all the PC+1's and double-posts (aka Skaw in this thread) I'm too tired to post a reply half the time. That's why I'm fucking glad they're deleting that shit. But anyway, point on hand, thread locks, I feel, should be up to the Admin, not the Mods. Let the Mods edit, but meh on locking. (For the record, I'm not offended by any of the locked thread thus far, they're just fine...keep it that way and we're cool =P)

So all in all, as many have said before, you have no power to fight the Admins head-on. Take a tactful, non-offensive approach and something might just fucking happen. You fight with fire, expect fire back. Will this post matter? Maybe, maybe not, but I made suggestions of things that could better the site without offending people (Besides using Skaw as an example, because IMO, he's beating a dead horse with his double-posts) on either side of the debate in a peaceful, civilized matter.

 

[Skaw]

Hell, I know with all the PC+1's and double-posts (aka Skaw in this thread) I'm too tired to post a reply half the time.

And a moron crawls out of the woodwork. They aren't double posts. Double posts are posts of the exact same thing back to back. They're posts made towards someone that posted while I was already writing something to yet another person, dipshit. See, if you could edit on the FB, they'd all be one neat little post. But alas, you cannot.

 

[K. Ishitar]

pm = / = sig

private message is exactly what the title of the communication suggests...private while signature typically means something you show off or use as a sort of approval for things you authorize. While meaning for signature doesn't translate fully into this sort of area sigs are a quick way of knowing who the post was by not reading the post yet as it loads. Of course anyone can have the same sig, but this is rarely the case.

 

[Audino]

If you ask me, the game and screenshots are something thats not from this site and not a function the site provides. Private Messaging is a way on QCDN to privately contact another member on this website. Its a service that this site provides. Thats what the difference is. Screenshots from FFXI are things that no one has anything to do with from here unless there's some undercover SE higher ups posting as a typical FFXI player.

Yeah, I did say that I didn't really mind that you posted the PM, Deja, but this is the 3rd time you've done it. God damn if you're not the dumbest smart guy that I know. I hope it sinks in really fast that doing it over and over isn't going to get it or you anywhere but nowhere. Miros is an administrator. Miros wanted the PM gone. Miros made the PM go away. Because Miros is an admin, what everyone has to do that doesn't like it is suck it the fuck up. I'll let him decide how to deal with it as he sees fit since it is the 3rd time you've done it.

 

[Dejavu]

If you ask me, the game and screenshots are something thats not from this site and not a function the site provides. Private Messaging is a way on QCDN to privately contact another member on this website. Its a service that this site provides. Thats what the difference is. Screenshots from FFXI are things that no one has anything to do with from here unless there's some undercover SE higher ups posting as a typical FFXI player.

Yeah, I did say that I didn't really mind that you posted the PM, Deja, but this is the 3rd time you've done it. God damn if you're not the dumbest smart guy that I know. I hope it sinks in really fast that doing it over and over isn't going to get it or you anywhere but nowhere. Miros is an administrator. Miros wanted the PM gone. Miros made the PM go away. Because Miros is an admin, what everyone has to do that doesn't like it is suck it the fuck up. I'll let him decide how to deal with it as he sees fit since it is the 3rd time you've done it.

Kiss my ass i reposted it to prove a point, one that apparently is lost with you. There is no difference between posting anything that is "intended to be private" like a SS from the game or a rate up or down on this site or for that matter any other information like Chat logs and such.

I am also not a big fan of the suck it up argument because truthfully there is little to no logic behind some of your decisions other than the "my way or the highway" credo.

I mean what exactly do i need inorder to get this damn thing to stay posted....

Lets go through the checklist.
RL info... nope
Harassment... nope
RL threat... nope
Permission of other party.. Halfassedly i guess
Miros permission.. nope... damn

Lets see what rule im breaking...
Posting personal info... nope
Flamebaiting... its the flameboard
Spamming... not really i have posted 3 times i think
Sockpuppets... nope
Sharing Account Info with previously banned users... nope
Pissing off Admin and Miros... check :wink:

Also in order for something to happen to my account according to the rules i believe i would have to be given a warning first. Which according to my User CP has not happened yet. Aren't rules fun. :nyam:

 

[Dejavu]

pm = / = sig

private message is exactly what the title of the communication suggests...private while signature typically means something you show off or use as a sort of approval for things you authorize. While meaning for signature doesn't translate fully into this sort of area sigs are a quick way of knowing who the post was by not reading the post yet as it loads. Of course anyone can have the same sig, but this is rarely the case.

What i was pointing out was that people had information that was just as private as what i posted in their signatures which can be viewed on any board.

My point is that some of the information that is easily accepted in people's sigs were "intended to be private" as well yet my PM is continually removed.