Nerf Treasure Hunter!!

Sorry, you can only take so much whinning and attacks before you start to get a little defensive. This has been going on for almost a year. We didn't the fire. It was always burning since the world's been...nvm, sorry couldnt help myself....
 
lol if a BLM didn't start the fire, who did, you guys are the experts aren't you?
 
Mishaela said:
I personally couldn't care less if they nerf BLM or not, it's just really nauseating though that so many BLM are totally expecting the worst from this. How do you know it might not be something stupid like adjusted cast times or cooloffs? Taking Cure V away from RDM didn't leave them crumpled in a corner, neither did that pet depop crap or ranged attack adjustment leave other jobs piled in a dead heap.

Try to have just a little hope towards the job, if you care about it so much..

I'm afraid RNG and BST are going to disagree with your assessment there.

Just as I'm typing this...

/sea all 75 - 350
/sea all rng 75 - 7

Ranger used to be one of the most popular jobs. It's not balanced now, it's underpowered! And as its strengths were reduced to match all the other DDs, it's freaking weaknesses were never addressed.

And for anyone commenting on how if us BLM were or won't pro RNG nerf... just look back at those RNG nerf threads. I was very much against it. And most of the rangers I knew then moved on to WoW.

And don't pretend that's a good thing.
 
Mishaela said:
I personally couldn't care less if they nerf BLM or not, it's just really nauseating though that so many BLM are totally expecting the worst from this. How do you know it might not be something stupid like adjusted cast times or cooloffs? Taking Cure V away from RDM didn't leave them crumpled in a corner, neither did that pet depop crap or ranged attack adjustment leave other jobs piled in a dead heap.

Try to have just a little hope towards the job, if you care about it so much..

WTF!!!! You mean there was a time I could have had Cure V .....god damnit! First that, then the staves, and still no regen 2! Damn you SE!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!
 
http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=23709

OMG! OH TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT!!! NERF SMNS!!! SMNS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF POOR OH!! NERF SMNS!!!!111!!! Where's your outcry now?

ps - It was all sarcasm and was in no way meant as a shot at OH or AB. You guys figured out a way around an obstacle and got your shit done. Congrats! THAT is the way the game was meant to be played!
 
My shell won Divine Might with 1 BLM (who was dead the whole fight). We have beaten Kirin with 1 BLM post-ranger nerf. We have done Limbus runs with no BLMs. We have done KS battles with no BLM.

Am I wrong in assuming that anyone can play any job at anytime in this game? Isn't diversity the fun thign about it. I am currently leveling DRG and am having a blast and I have RNG and NIN at 75 and many other jobs well on the way.

What is with all the bitching? If you want the easy route to things do the manaburns and cannons -they are loads of fun and can help you move on to other things more quickly. If you want to plan strats based on the jobs you have on hand or in your shell do that - that is fun also and nothing like a good challenge. I enjoy utilizing both these methods and have had to especially in the CoP missions.

Everyone is so excited about new jobs coming to this game, but seems to me like people bitch about the diversity of the ones we have.

Quit the fucking game if don't like it noone is making you play. I personally am having a blast playing this game right now and leveling DRG is one of the reasons, but I will be the first to tell you that my ninja ranger and blackmage far outdamaged it. It does not make it any less enjoyable to play.
 
The problem with BLM are all the manaburn KS runs and even the occasional DM or KS99 runs. SE sees no merits in the an effortless win. They do not see the advantage of getting through any quest, mission or BCNM by stacking a single job and finishing moments after it starts. You can argue all you want, but from day one people have tried to do things the easy way by stacking one job and making conditions favorable for a small group. RNGs got nerfed because they were too powerful. They can attack kited and or straight tanked mobs while dealing top tier damage unlike all other melee jobs. Kirin became a full alliance of RNGs and a couple of PLDs to kite pushing aside any other job as second class. Post nerf people actually do SC and MB the way SE meant it to be.

SE had no intentions of making things easy for 1 job. They in the past nerfed KS30 Desert Swarm and made the mobs progressively more resistant to sleep, but they can only go so far before even 6 melee jobs have difficulty or even unable to do the KSNM. You want to blame anyone for the possible nerf, then blame any BLM who did abused the system. Odon wants to blame others, but he gave them all the idea to take advantage of a system. Check out the prices of normal drops of Desert Swarm compared to those of Copy Cat and you will see a dramatic drops in price. BLM manaburn KS runs killed those KS fight by doing 30+ consecutive runs in a couple of hours while a melee setup doing 6 or 7 runs in a few hours. No other job is able to pack on one job and charge for runs, so why does BLM get that right? You ask if I am jealous, but let me ask you this: If I could make gil with relatively no effort and the only prerequisite was to level a job I enjoyed versus you who would rather not level that same job and is forced to work a hundred times harder for the same gil or less, would you still see that as fair? There is not only that, but many of the KS are so abused by the BLM manaburn that even those who would use their orbs in the KS runs, walk away with nothing more than a few thousand gil after they spent time farming those seals. Occasionally one person does get lucky and obtains a V Claw, but how many people? 1/8? 1/10? But hey, what does a BLM have to worry? 30+ runs and more than likely several D Ingot, D cloth , O Ingot dropped and they are rich.

This nerf has nothing to do with what you or I want and all to what SE wants. If they want to nerf you because they think you are abusing the system, they will nerf you because you ARE abusing the system. It is their system and the way it was meant to be played is their perspective. When it all comes down to it, their opinion is the one that matters most. Proof is all in the RNG and BST nerfs, if you disagree. Whether you think you are just stacking odds in your favor or someone else thinks you are abusing the way the game is meant to be played has no bearing at all, it's what SE thinks that matters. In this case, they think you are abusing the game and that's all that matters.

But let me stress this the most: SE sees no merit in an easy win. Otherwise they would just make KS runs like a casino slot machine; give the machine your orb and walk away a winner or loser with no actual effort needed.
 
Lavi said:
But let me stress this the most: SE sees no merit in an easy win. Otherwise they would just make KS runs like a casino slot machine; give the machine your orb and walk away a winner or loser with no actual effort needed.


Of course, interesting that you can fight hard and work hard and still walk away with a 5k drop. Just a thought; no sarcasm intended.

I do believe there is plenty of "effort" that goes into the game without any reward, though, at least in terms of material compensation. I frankly don't mind farming seals for a few days to throw them at BCNM50 Treasures and Tribulations, which is out and out gambling, but I wouldn't say it's effortless.
 
Valoran said:
I do believe there is plenty of "effort" that goes into the game without any reward, though, at least in terms of material compensation. I frankly don't mind farming seals for a few days to throw them at BCNM50 Treasures and Tribulations, which is out and out gambling, but I wouldn't say it's effortless.


Sorry; I spliced two ideas at the end:

1) I don't think it's bad if some things are effortless, since so much that requires effort does not provide compensation on the same order.

2) Even "gambling" an orb requires that you gather the seals first.
 
Lavi said:
The problem with BLM are all the manaburn KS runs and even the occasional DM or KS99 runs. SE sees no merits in the an effortless win. They do not see the advantage of getting through any quest, mission or BCNM by stacking a single job and finishing moments after it starts. You can argue all you want, but from day one people have tried to do things the easy way by stacking one job and making conditions favorable for a small group. RNGs got nerfed because they were too powerful. They can attack kited and or straight tanked mobs while dealing top tier damage unlike all other melee jobs. Kirin became a full alliance of RNGs and a couple of PLDs to kite pushing aside any other job as second class. Post nerf people actually do SC and MB the way SE meant it to be.

Who does SC and MBs on Kirin? I never have. He's a kited mob, he moves too fast, and to stop him you need to absorb tons of damage. Why bother when you can kill him with less people the other way?

As for these 2 BCs you complain about(2 of hundreds), they are easy fights in the first place. Christ, get over it. Back when I started this game, the main BC to make gil off of was BCNM40. I leveled BRD to 40 just for that BCNM40. And I made good gil off of it. Each job has different situations that their own job becomes high demand.

Now the best money making BC requires Ninjas, another BCNM40. Drops the peacock charm. BELIEVE ME, you can make better gil off that BC than KS30.

Lavi said:
SE had no intentions of making things easy for 1 job. They in the past nerfed KS30 Desert Swarm and made the mobs progressively more resistant to sleep, but they can only go so far before even 6 melee jobs have difficulty or even unable to do the KSNM. You want to blame anyone for the possible nerf, then blame any BLM who did abused the system. Odon wants to blame others, but he gave them all the idea to take advantage of a system. Check out the prices of normal drops of Desert Swarm compared to those of Copy Cat and you will see a dramatic drops in price. BLM manaburn KS runs killed those KS fight by doing 30+ consecutive runs in a couple of hours while a melee setup doing 6 or 7 runs in a few hours. No other job is able to pack on one job and charge for runs, so why does BLM get that right? You ask if I am jealous, but let me ask you this: If I could make gil with relatively no effort and the only prerequisite was to level a job I enjoyed versus you who would rather not level that same job and is forced to work a hundred times harder for the same gil or less, would you still see that as fair? There is not only that, but many of the KS are so abused by the BLM manaburn that even those who would use their orbs in the KS runs, walk away with nothing more than a few thousand gil after they spent time farming those seals. Occasionally one person does get lucky and obtains a V Claw, but how many people? 1/8? 1/10? But hey, what does a BLM have to worry? 30+ runs and more than likely several D Ingot, D cloth , O Ingot dropped and they are rich.

When the very opening post and apply that logic here. Why should i be forced to level THF to camp NMs, if square doesn't want you to level BLM to cannon KS30.

CHRIST IS THIS THE ONLY KINDRED SEAL FIGHT IN THE UNIVERSE??? BLM HAVE ONE THING AND THE WORLD IS CRUMBLING??? Thieves have what... EVERY NM???

Lavi said:
This nerf has nothing to do with what you or I want and all to what SE wants. If they want to nerf you because they think you are abusing the system, they will nerf you because you ARE abusing the system. It is their system and the way it was meant to be played is their perspective. When it all comes down to it, their opinion is the one that matters most. Proof is all in the RNG and BST nerfs, if you disagree. Whether you think you are just stacking odds in your favor or someone else thinks you are abusing the way the game is meant to be played has no bearing at all, it's what SE thinks that matters. In this case, they think you are abusing the game and that's all that matters.

The nerf is because people bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch about a mission BC and a single gil making BC.

BC are by their nature NOT COMPETITIVE. By me entering a BC it doesn't mean you need to wait 24 hours for the burning circle to repop. NMs on the other hand are totally competitive, and you don't hear BLM bitching that squaresoft should nerf all the NMs so they are just as good at making gil as THFs.

You're talking about how it's wrong that since you want to stack BLMs to do Ks30 it means you need to level BLM to do it. Well guess what, you can do divine might and you can do KS30 easily without a single BLM.

If I camp NM as a BLM, there are fights I can't win solo that a THF can. And their drop rate will be higher. Squaresoft forces me to level THF to camp NMs just as much as it forces you to level BLM to do KS30. Why the god damn double standard easy win. Otherwise they would just make KS runs like a casino slot machine; give the machine your orb and walk away a winner or loser with no actual effort needed.
 
Firestreak said:
Who does SC and MBs on Kirin? I never have. He's a kited mob, he moves too fast, and to stop him you need to absorb tons of damage. Why bother when you can kill him with less people the other way?

actually, we do this all the time, its really not that bad. we have a set place to stop him when the sc's say they are ready, on the next pass, we stop at that position, sc. after sc is done, tank will run again, and by that time, blm have already bursted. we have moved to having nin kite more often than pld. we still do it both ways...depending on what we have at the fight.
 
Firestreak said:
Who does SC and MBs on Kirin? I never have. He's a kited mob, he moves too fast, and to stop him you need to absorb tons of damage. Why bother when you can kill him with less people the other way?

Yea, Kirin doesn't stop to cast spells or anything, and if he did, they wouldn't be max-teir nukes that takes ages to cast giving more than enough window for 2 guys to run in and skillchain.

Now the best money making BC requires Ninjas, another BCNM40. Drops the peacock charm. BELIEVE ME, you can make better gil off that BC than KS30.

CHRIST IS THIS THE ONLY KINDRED SEAL FIGHT IN THE UNIVERSE??? BLM HAVE ONE THING AND THE WORLD IS CRUMBLING??? Thieves have what... EVERY NM???

Now if you didn't notice... You can't use Kindred Seals for a Beastman Seal fight, so what are the folks with 30-ish KS going to do, besides cash in a KS30 orb, or save up for a KS99.

The BLM's favorite KS30 is the most profitable. Great drops, and by manaburning it, a 99.999% chance of winning (that last .001% is in case of a nationwide blackout or something).
 
FS, they arent going to make a bcnm or ks a giveaway. by a group of blm going into a BC and taking less than 3 mins to finish, that tells them that its too easy. as lavi said, se wants people to have a challenge. if they didnt want you to have a challenge, they wouldnt have quests for every single thing. (yes, even for the event items)
there really isnt any formal place to put in a complaint about "blm have it too easy". there is the suggestion box they have, but tell me, how many people do u know, or have heard of that have put in their two cents about it.
even if there is people that say such things, SE isnt going to just change things without looking into it first. IF there was a formal complaint about blm having it easy, chances are that SE looked into it and saw that the complaints/suggestions were correct.
the only people that get pissed off are the ones that rely on using this tactic. i plan on lvling blm in the near future. however, i dont plan on using this tactic, so do u see me crying over a nerf. NO.
every job has had a nerf at some point. some worth mentioning, some not. all nerfs are somewhat of a big deal when it comes to the person that is playing that job. but, do you see ALL of those people complaining?
ill give a few examples....
pld: had the shield nerf and something else at the same time if i remember right. it doesnt seem like a big deal for that shield nerf. but, its bigger than you would imagine.
nin: the utsusemi nerf. at the current time, its no big deal because people have gotten used to it and worked through/around it.
rng: well, this one is obvious. the job was alot better before the nerf. people wanted to play it because it was a high dmg job. people still play it though. they just have to get used to the new change that was made. its a logical change whether people think so or not. 4 rng, pld, and rdm made a great cannon party.

granted., the rng did complain about it, but they have also stopped complaining about it and dealt with it....just as blm will later on.
complaining wont get them to change it right away. it may help coerce their decisions and make changes later, but they wont undo what they are about to do. i honestly dont think they will un-nerf blm after this patch regardless of how much people complain.
 
Firestreak said:
Who does SC and MBs on Kirin? I never have. He's a kited mob, he moves too fast, and to stop him you need to absorb tons of damage. Why bother when you can kill him with less people the other way?

/raises hand. Straight up kirin 4tw.
 
Hi, my names odon, I'm a blm, I've caused alot of people to cry over the fact that they can't make gil the same way my job can.
 
Odon said:
Hi, my names odon, I'm a blm, I've caused alot of people to cry over the fact that they can't make gil the same way my job can.

And there I thought you made gil through clothcraft... Oh wait, you mean both. At any rate, Hi Odon, meet Vang.
 
The most profitable BCNM fight involves 2 Ninjas. I've yet to even see an alternative setup that can even win it. It's more profiable than KS30, and just as you can't use KS fights to BS fights, you can't use BS seals for KS fights.

(BS seals are much more common.)

And forget skillchaining kirin. You spend so much time waiting for the opportunity, that you are wasting time you could be spamming nukes and weapon skills on it. You wind up killing Kirin slower. The only reasoning I could see behind it is a huge abundance of WHMs and a poor setup of DDs, to make them unable to deal good damage by just spamming. And no that includes melees, who have a good weapon for the job and thf SJ, and MNK/WHM with all their MND gear.

Not to be snobby, but I have talked to other LS before and they tell me how their kirins take hours, and they need like 35+ people.

I've taken down Kirin with like 20, post RNG nerf in maybe 2 hours. And with 28 people done it in like an hour.

Just to try and explain the effectiveness of just spamming on it. IF SC and MBs are better, I'd do them. It doesn't mean just because I chose not to it's hard, just not reliable.
 
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