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Well I decided to put together a party set up of my own and experimented with it.

Here's the set up first off:

Dnc/nin

Sam/nin x3

brd

whm or rdm

It's basically a spin on a tp burn, but a lot more stable. TP burns with 4 or 5 sams generally lack hate control and are very sporadic, so I wanted to try this.

So how does one make 3 sams do the damage of 4 or 5? Easy, make them do the damage of 6. The Bard is in focus of keeping march and acc or att song up, or a second march on higher levels when the mobs get closer to VT

The dancer keeps haste samba up (hopefully merrited for 10%) and focus on main healing with whm and spamming quickstep.

Whm or red mage is in charge of keeping all 4 of us hasted. This totals at least 31% haste for lowest if dnc isnt merited and only 1 song, all the way up to 55% if dnc meritted etc etc...I think I dunno brd song soff by heart but I think I added it right...

Anywho. Sams go /nin and basically rip the poor monster to shreds. In my party the sams were able to WS every 5 seconds or so. Sometimes less.

Because of this mad damage, they had no trouble keeping hate, and with utsu + third eye they were pretty hard to hit.

Word of warning, this only works at best after 65 when Sams get their really hard hitting ws, forget what tachi it is... Anywho, I have tried it, and was very sick.

Just something I'm throwing out there, the sams really seemed to enjoy the sick haste.

Using this in meriting it may be possible to keep 80% haste on the whole group, turning sam's 6 hit set up into the speed of a 2 hit. I don't know if sams can hit the 25% haste cap on armor, but it would far surpass any tp gear in this circumstance...
 
Bring forth the picards. The reason dnc doesnt get merit/exp invites is because haste samba is weaker than haste in the first place and a merit party doesnt need 2 healers. hell 1 healer in a "proper" merit party is overkill in some cases. Why would they want MORE healing or a subpar DD instead of a real DD instead while gambling on if the dnc even got it merited high enough to be 2/3 as good as haste in the first place?
Unless the rdm or whm is in an outside party for hastebotting then chances are they either dont need to take a huge chance on inviting a dnc or you dont need to invite a whm in the first place since you have a dnc to help keep you alive.
 
it seems to me you took a normal merit PT and replaced a DD or a buffer with a dnc...

what is so revolutionary with this set up? I'm sure it will work fine, not the fastest PT ever but sure it'll work.
 
ummm we done 4 DD 1 COR 1 DNC(main healer) before, and works pretty good.

I dont see how this is "new" PT combo, because I had this kind of party before.
 
It's different because you're taking the three biggest hasters in the game and stacking it all together, then combining it with the fastest tp makers in the game doubling their tp.

If this has been done though I apologize. I've never seen heard of ro been invited to a party similar to this, so didn't know.
 
Replace the DNC with a COR and you've got a great party.
 
not really something that hasn't been done before, I've been in similar setups with dnc and it does decent but I really only invite dnc to reduce downtime(recover mp/hp) and I know for sure that I can't get a refresher
 
Stp from sam roll wouldn't pimp the nin out as much. I'd stick with a war or drg(with MAYBE a drk as a possibility if it's somehow not a shitty drk)
 
Khajit said:
Stp from sam roll wouldn't pimp the nin out as much. I'd stick with a war or drg(with MAYBE a drk as a possibility if it's somehow not a shitty drk)
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Shitty wars and drgs are fine though :awesome:

I'm sad to say I've seen many, MANY more badly geared drg than drk in the past.
 
Khajit said:
Stp from sam roll wouldn't pimp the nin out as much. I'd stick with a war or drg(with MAYBE a drk as a possibility if it's somehow not a shitty drk)
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The main point of either having a NIN/WAR or a WAR/NIN in the PT was for the sheer fact of provoke. So as to have at least on member in the PT to be able to voke the mob off the BRD as much as possible.

Unless you we're planning on having your DRG or DRK subbing war for that job. But than I think you main healer may have to slap the shit out of you for that. <_<;
 
Is this thread about the diversity of parties absolutely necessary?

I mean, I thought that was the entire point behind having 20-some-odd jobs to choose from.



That, and giving everyone something to do while forking over $13/month to SE.
 
This is pretty much the same party I've done pre-70 all the way from lvl 10. Always got me at least 10k/hr all the way from lvl 10.

Wouldn't exactly say its new... For said setup SAM/WAR > SAM/NIN imo. Don't really need a RDM or WHM either (I've solo healed as DNC just fine in these setups). Only reason you'd want a RDM or WHM is for Haste. For cures themselves the DNC can handle it alone with the occasional backup from the BRD.
 
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Wakmidget1 said:
The main point of either having a NIN/WAR or a WAR/NIN in the PT was for the sheer fact of provoke. So as to have at least on member in the PT to be able to voke the mob off the BRD as much as possible.

Unless you we're planning on having your DRG or DRK subbing war for that job. But than I think you main healer may have to slap the shit out of you for that. <_<;
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That may be true but if the DD are actually good they don't NEED to voke off the brd. I rarely find enough DD able to do so (mostly since i've not merited in a long while)but voke really isn't as important as people think. if the DD are good they'll have hate after the first attack round or at least one of em will have had tp saved because using it on the last mob was a waste. Hell i used to use Kurayami :ni to grab hate when voke was down in merits. Voke isnt the only thing in existence that can generate more hate than a lullaby.

And blade. I singled out drk because compared to other DD jobs being of "equal" skill/gear the drk is the most likely to make things even worse for them when they're stupid by spamming souleater on top of the mp sinking they're doing. Drg has angon for lurkers which is an advantage over drk in addition to piercing damage ws puks(or colibri if you're fighting those)I wouldn't like a shitty war or drg either but those jobs are safer bets since when they use thier JA it doesn't hurt the party.
Dont get me wrong. there are drks I'd invite to party. But if i have no idea on the drk's ability personally then things can go much much worse than simply inviting some other job.
 
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Yeah honestly this isn't a breakthrough in exp. I had a dnc heal it was ok nothing special. I'm pretty certain a brdcor merit party with dds will fair better, though your setup isn't horrible
 
Khajit said:
That may be true but if the DD are actually good they don't NEED to voke off the brd. I rarely find enough DD able to do so (mostly since i've not merited in a long while)but voke really isn't as important as people think. if the DD are good they'll have hate after the first attack round or at least one of em will have had tp saved because using it on the last mob was a waste. Hell i used to use Kurayami :ni to grab hate when voke was down in merits. Voke isnt the only thing in existence that can generate more hate than a lullaby.

And blade. I singled out drk because compared to other DD jobs being of "equal" skill/gear the drk is the most likely to make things even worse for them when they're stupid by spamming souleater on top of the mp sinking they're doing. Drg has angon for lurkers which is an advantage over drk in addition to piercing damage ws puks(or colibri if you're fighting those)I wouldn't like a shitty war or drg either but those jobs are safer bets since when they use thier JA it doesn't hurt the party.
Dont get me wrong. there are drks I'd invite to party. But if i have no idea on the drk's ability personally then things can go much much worse than simply inviting some other job.
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It's not lullaby you need to generate more hate then, it's elegy. If you BRD knows what's he's doing Carnage Elegy should be on most(if not all) of the pulled mobs.
 
Elegy still isnt an insane amount of hate to beat out.
 
Khajit said:
That may be true but if the DD are actually good they don't NEED to voke off the brd. I rarely find enough DD able to do so (mostly since i've not merited in a long while)but voke really isn't as important as people think. if the DD are good they'll have hate after the first attack round or at least one of em will have had tp saved because using it on the last mob was a waste. Hell i used to use Kurayami :ni to grab hate when voke was down in merits. Voke isnt the only thing in existence that can generate more hate than a lullaby.
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This is true. I have had many party that don't even need to voke at all just because mobs die fast enough. Heck you don't even really need a brd to have the best exp.. you can roam in colbri camp with a COR and get about the same exp or DRG cannon. All depends on the melee though(gl with that).
 
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