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[Firestreak]

Fire I direct my post at you because I think you are being pompous. For someone who says he plays the game because it is fun why do you care if the grinding takes a party or two more per level?

Why do you care if you restore your deleted character or not if leveling is fun?

How long have you been 75? How many God runs, HNM camps, missions etc have you done before there was a TON of competition, before others had the chance? There is a price to being first!

There was always a ton of competition for the HNMs from the Japanese. Not to mention God NMs are popped based on items, like in my opinion, all NMs should be. So competition is irrelevant mostly.

If I buy a video card when it is new and costs 500$ I cannot get a refund when the next card comes out and mine is obsoleted. How does this analogy not apply? Or does it not because you can't find a good answer.

The is the only argument I admitted to having some merit. I don't think that however means the game should strive to make it unfair.

I highly doubt it will be as extreme as you seem to fear. 35k tnl instead of 40. (OMG a whole 1 parties worth!) at most. How does that 'lessen' anything in a meaningful way? It does not.

I have no idea how extreme it's going to be, and we're all just speculating here. It could be 200k, 50k or 1k easier it doesn't matter. It's still unfair.

As to the concept of you who have been capped deserving bonuses, it would not work because if they gave the 75's bonus they would have to give it to everyone and since genkai is in place they cannot do that.

That's a great point... who brought that up first... as to why I know we won't get bonuses... oh yeah.. me.

I also would like to point out that a 75 does not stay capped at all times, no one is invincible and especially if doing new things we all die. When you die, and lose exp, and eventually have to get more exp for buffer. So not all of the exp you have earned since hitting 75 has been wasted, not by a long shot. (Unless you exp while capped...?) (And Yes I realize the pots in Sky give moderate exp if you farm those.)

Yeah and you know what people did They stopped exping when they reached near the cap. Believe me, 46k leaves a lot of room for safety of deleveling while spare in case you get some exp doing stuff.

I do not see a need to give the current 75's perks for being in that position longer, as the position itself has perks that the current 75's have been enjoying for quite some time now. <----Argue that sir.

Argue what? What perks are you talking about? The 75 only fre mithra brothel hidden in upper jeuno? Don't tell the noobs about that!!!! Extra respect maybe? Since when? We just get called elitists and told we're jerks if we don't help people with crap at no gain to us.

 

[Mariox]

The is NOTHING in the game that requires you to be 75 to do, nothing at all.

Easy to say for a whm, you can do dynamis at 69 np, people will not like that you don't ahve raise 3, bring in a 69 rdm on the other hand, and you going to die alot from resisted sleep

As it is, there is no reason to get to 75, except for merits and pride of maxing out your level.

Guess you being a whm it might not be a big deal getting merit points. But other jobs want to get them to be the best that thay can be, not just a level 74 job. For rdm, 6 or 8 enfeebling skill is a big deal. 8 evad for a ninja is huge deal

Guess I been 75 long enoph not to care about lowing exp (tho I switched to merit points and not stay at max exp till patch) but I also have 3 other jobs above 50 ^^ Bst of every level cheers (exp those at 75

Hopfuly this means thay adding more end game content, like a second sky with gods, and lowering time to reenter dynamis, or it will get crowded.

 

[Firestreak]

Guess you being a whm it might not be a big deal getting merit points. But other jobs want to get them to be the best that thay can be, not just a level 74 job. For rdm, 6 or 8 enfeebling skill is a big deal. 8 evad for a ninja is huge deal

This whole thing has gone a bit off topic but... MP could be useful to WHM. As well enfeebling is very useful to a WHM. If we even want a CHANCE for our debuffs to work in an emergency. My whm uses the enfeebling torque for swapping in when needed. It's not the WHM's fault that there's no +cure efficiency merit. Seems like we just get shafted there.
And in general Bajaret is correct that the merit points aren't particulary an efficient way to improve your character versus leveling up... though I admit far easier to get merit points than an expensive item that would do the same thing.

 

[Skaw]

I also would like to point out that a 75 does not stay capped at all times, no one is invincible and especially if doing new things we all die. When you die, and lose exp, and eventually have to get more exp for buffer. So not all of the exp you have earned since hitting 75 has been wasted, not by a long shot. (Unless you exp while capped...?) (And Yes I realize the pots in Sky give moderate exp if you farm those.)

I exp while capped. Once you reach the cap at 75, it autodumps any exp towards merit points, but unlike switching to merit exp mode, if you die, you aren't penalized. You just lose automerit until you hit the cap again. It's a lot less hassle for the same goal.

A lot of 75s do the same thing.

 

[vang]

Life isn't fair.


Plus maybe with some of the newer players leveling faster one of them might be able to outclaim a JP on certain HNMs more often since none of the current high levels can do shit :roll:

I mean, seriously, for being really pissed about it you guys really aren't doing much. I look at the other servers NA high levels and they PWN 95% of you in terms of teamwork, gameplay, and winning against JP competition.

Maybe it's time for a new class to get it done since you guys aren't.

 

[Mistaya]

Shhh!!! dont tell them about the brothel!

The perk is the ability to do things like sky, high lvl missions like rank 10, get af for any other jobs you level with your high lvl... (Its so much easier to do AF for your second job with your high lvl!) There are lots of good things to do that you've been doing for a while. Nothing you've done has been taken away.

As for competition, yes some of the JP were always there. But when I first camped Simurgh there was only us on a lot of days and when i first camped behemoth there was usually 2-4 groups. Not 200 people in the zone or god knows how many now. Roc was rarely camped at all. It was a perk to be first NA fighting those. This was when we were all 60's or so, but you cant deny it was much easier to camp things before so many hit 75. Which i still think is the core of the feeling that this isnt fair.

You guys are right about that, more 75's means more competition. And its no fun to be countercamped by 4 groups while spamming a macro for 3hrs. What FFXI lacks is FUN endgame content. It has a lot of TEDIOUS. I guess if causing yourself to be completely miserable for weeks over a piece of equip, then getting it adds to its value. What I've learned now from playing multiple MMO's, if the devs want you to value something they make you walk on hot broken glass to get to it.

Its not that leveling isn't fun. I would not mind starting over from a blank character. What I mind is starting over from a blank BROKE character. Because farming to me is not fun. I enjoy mostly everything about this game except the farming. And with the recent inflated prices and whatnot, I would rather have my money and the items like empy pin my character has and uses on multiple jobs but i do not wish to pay 600k for it when i bought it for 300 several months ago. >_<;

Hmm.. perhaps I am lying a bit, I enjoy leveling but I doubt I would have the courage to lvl DRK again or DRG ever. Sitting for hours isn't fun. Neither is partying with extreme douches, which basically means any zone under 30.... actually, under 60 probably. (My ninja had a long spree of douche parties in kuftal in mid 50s.) Stop reminding me why I quit in the first place! *growl*
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The is NOTHING in the game that requires you to be 75 to do, nothing at all.

Some people seem to disagree. Personally I had sky at 67, and rank 10 at 67 as a DRK. And I pulled my weight, liefe was there for the last couple sky fights he can vouch that it was not a gimp-along. Another reason I quit was being constantly told I wasnt high enough level to do stuff. Then I would do it anyway and prove them wrong but next time I was still too low. Dynamis however as a 69 I was less than useless, a mana sponge and a waste of a slot. I will admit that. With all my ACC I couldnt hit the broad side of an orc. /shrug.

And again, SE has made clear when they implement changes that its always from this point forwards. Everytime they implement something new, the people who did it the old way get screwed. This isnt the first time and won't be the last Why are you surprised :roll:

 

[Mistaya]

I exp while capped. Once you reach the cap at 75, it autodumps any exp towards merit points, but unlike switching to merit exp mode, if you die, you aren't penalized. You just lose automerit until you hit the cap again. It's a lot less hassle for the same goal.

A lot of 75s do the same thing.

Ah, that makes sense then. I wasn't quite clear on the whole thing... merit points are beyond my time really I feel old.

This is why I kinda stopped posting here... the game has changed since I left, and my knowlege is not quite up to date :/

I still have some 3 month old pies in my inventory. Want one? Its supposed to be green like that honest. "Green Apple" pie. *cough*

 

[neophytal]

Life isn't fair.


Plus maybe with some of the newer players leveling faster one of them might be able to outclaim a JP on certain HNMs more often since none of the current high levels can do shit :roll:

I mean, seriously, for being really pissed about it you guys really aren't doing much. I look at the other servers NA high levels and they PWN 95% of you in terms of teamwork, gameplay, and winning against JP competition.

Maybe it's time for a new class to get it done since you guys aren't.

lol.. and what have you done for the game?

 

[Nyett]

Jesus it took a long time to read this thread, maybe SE can edit it for me to read it faster and catch up to the rest of you?? 8P

As I am not lvl 75 (close), I agree that this route is better to keep people in the game cause when I was level 50 I felt so behind and the thought of so much experiencing was demoralizing, BUT we all continue, to become one of the high level "gods" of vanadiel.

As I did level I gained much, and I mean MUCH more respect for the accomplishments and dedication of higher levels and thus for myself. This respect and admiration will be lost if the road is made easier. If level 75 status is easy to obtain, level 75's are no longer the "gods" of the game. So..whats even the point of obtaining 75 then if the same status no longer comes with it.

IRL working your ass off to buy a porshe means nothing if every other ass-munch in the world owns one. 75 status will take this route and will mean nothing. If they nerf exp, they better raise the cap over 75 or the purpose of attaining high status will be lost. We all want to be recognized in game and IRL, not seen as a sheep in the pasture.

 

[vang]

Life isn't fair.


Plus maybe with some of the newer players leveling faster one of them might be able to outclaim a JP on certain HNMs more often since none of the current high levels can do shit :roll:

I mean, seriously, for being really pissed about it you guys really aren't doing much. I look at the other servers NA high levels and they PWN 95% of you in terms of teamwork, gameplay, and winning against JP competition.

Maybe it's time for a new class to get it done since you guys aren't.

lol.. and what have you done for the game?

I haven't hit 75 yet so not much, although I think I have influenced quite a few people to stop being so fucking lazy and gimp. Not as much filth and trash to have to deal with as there was a year ago as far as what people would do for their parties.

Trust me, I won't be backing down from JPs or bending over for them anytime soon when I do reach that stage. I have no problem standing in one spot for hours on end to watch it pop purple if the mob has something we need/want. I have been doing it for months. Problem will be finding others out there to go with me.... :?

Patience, do you have it?

No need to be sarcastic about it, tell me, why are the NA so strong compared to Quetzy high level NA on other servers? What are they doing that you apparently are not? I don't get it I guess, maybe I will someday who knows *shrugs* Pretty embarassing is all I can say. I would think some of you would welcome newer people to help you guys in your efforts or maybe lack there of?

 

[Panda]

firestreak, you're arguing now simply on the basis that it isnt fair, because all your other points have been made m00t. we all agree that it isnt fair for people who have hit 75 already. but guess what.

i could go on for hours about a million things in this game that arnet fair to my job and my levels and blah blah blah about every thread on this board mentions something like that.

i could go on about how this game sucks to be a whm and this and that. i could go on as a dd and be like oh drgs never get pts. blah blah blah.

just SHUT UP. this change has just as much good for people as it does bad for other people, if not more good for the more lower levels than the bad for higher levels. if you want to feel cheated cause you put so much time into it, then fine, feel that way. more power to you. but dont take out your damn aggression on the people who havent leveled 3 jobs to 75 right now, ok?

 

[Firestreak]

Honestly, Panda like usual lately you have brought up some of the stupidest arguments possible.

Since when do we agree if this is fair or not? Is it implied when you disagree with someone and argue against them that actual you know they are right? Are we not aloud to have discussions about fairness because life is unfair? Is that your trump card?

i could go on for hours about a million things in this game that arnet fair to my job and my levels and blah blah blah about every thread on this board mentions something like that.

Honestly this is a case of the pot and kettle and something about being black? You whine constantly. Boo hoo. Life isn't fair. Just because you think this is benefiting you, and some others, you don't like the fact that people are going to whine about it.

i could go on about how this game sucks to be a whm and this and that. i could go on as a dd and be like oh drgs never get pts. blah blah blah.

Is this an argument? I don't even understand what you're saying? What's bad about being WHM? DRGs here whine all the time, nobody tells them "life's unfair, suck it up."

just SHUT UP. this change has just as much good for people as it does bad for other people, if not more good for the more lower levels than the bad for higher levels. if you want to feel cheated cause you put so much time into it, then fine, feel that way. more power to you. but dont take out your damn aggression on the people who havent leveled 3 jobs to 75 right now, ok?

I have specifically said I don't have any anger towards lower level players. It's not like you have control over what Squaresoft does. And what good exactly do you think you're getting out of this? Honestly a dumbass like you isn't going to get to 75 anyway.



And in closing, this is a stupid argument you're making. You have no logic, no cause just pointless ranting. Like before in this thread you've proven your opinion to be immature and worthless. I could go on and on as to why you should come up with a real argument or stop talking.

 

[Darkdante]

Ok I understand what people are saying that its unfair and the meaning of being 75 and all that is lessened. I'd feel the same way if I was you guys. But I don't think that was the point of the update. I don't think SE cares what it "means" to be 75, I think they care about is "what you can do when you get to 75".

If when you get to 75 theres not enough people to do stuff, and beat another group of 75's that has alot more members than you, thats pretty sad and being 75 has no meaning (cuz that means you still can't get shit done). Especially if your one of the groups constantly LOSING and then constantly bitching about it.

More people would help, more options galore, more people probably on the time you play when you feel like playing. Sure there will be more competition, more assholes, but personally I like it when i see alot of people on vs. when I log and and nobody is seeking party.

Wouldn't it be better to have a game thats more Real LIfe freindly also? Don't you people want all that too?

 

[Blackmagik]

ok, i was reading all this, it seems that everyone that isnt lv.75 thinks its a good change and everyone that is 75 is saying its unfair... it is good for lower lv ppl, not so much for the 75s, but i guess SE wants more people to have a life and still be able to get high lv? owell >.<

 

[Kirayamato]

Firstly, it is an honor to be a lvl 75.
SE making 75 too easy and therefore the honor of becoming a lvl 75 ain't as great as before.
Again I don't understand why SE changing this, in the past ppl can get 75 with the current system...

Oh well... with this... MORE DRAMA!

w00t!

 

[Darkdante]

And as far as giving you guys a reward for doing it the "harder way". Hell I"d say do it. YOu guys deserve it anyway for paving a path for all us guys. ^^

/salute

Maybe if they gave U 75 old timers some kinda gold badge or somethign to show off that would be cool for you guys. Since nobody else could get it, give you stats all that kinda shit.

least then everybody would be happy......

 

[Bajaratt]

The is NOTHING in the game that requires you to be 75 to do, nothing at all.

Easy to say for a whm, you can do dynamis at 69 np, people will not like that you don't ahve raise 3, bring in a 69 rdm on the other hand, and you going to die alot from resisted sleep

As it is, there is no reason to get to 75, except for merits and pride of maxing out your level.

Guess you being a whm it might not be a big deal getting merit points. But other jobs want to get them to be the best that thay can be, not just a level 74 job. For rdm, 6 or 8 enfeebling skill is a big deal. 8 evad for a ninja is huge deal

Guess I been 75 long enoph not to care about lowing exp (tho I switched to merit points and not stay at max exp till patch) but I also have 3 other jobs above 50 ^^ Bst of every level cheers (exp those at 75

Hopfuly this means thay adding more end game content, like a second sky with gods, and lowering time to reenter dynamis, or it will get crowded.

I want to know what me being a whm has anything to do with what I said. Yes, I got to do dynamis at 69, but THF's get in at 65 so it's not like whm's are some kind of heavily favored class.

On the merits, I was excited as hell about being able to get merits. I wanted to cap my merits so that I could put all of them into stats to help my monk, but I didn't understand the merit system correctly and I couldn't do that other than pump up my STR. I'm still trying to get merits when I can, because pumping up my regen and my mp will help me be a better whm.

I never said that merits sucked or even implied that, so I don't know where you're coming up with this stuff. This ceased to become about this topic and became and attack on whm's and myself with your reply. There is still nothing that you're required to be 75 to do, but obviously people prefer you to be as high as you can so that whatever you're doing will be easier.

 

[Konartist]

I have to say that this thread alone is just another example of why Vang and Cubswoo own the internet. There post=100% right.

On a side note I'm Lv72 and I welcome this change with open arms. I think Vang is right there needs to be more High level NA who "won't bend over" to the JP (as he so delicetly (sp) put it). :lol:

I doubt its going to make a big difference on the game anyway but if I did, I for one won't feel cheated or want my exp back thats just plain stupid. Face it the Lvl grind is too great since they raised the level cap all those times. This tnl is out of date anyway and should have been done away with when they raised the level cap, but that is just my opinion.

I won't feel it any less of an accomplishment when I level my second job up that high, let's face it, it won't matter that much.

I do however, agree with the post about them needing to add more Endgame things to do and places to Lvl, even at 72 the mobs are not tough enough to warrant the 40k+ tnl.

Also I'd like to add that no matter what it's not worth complaining over that will accomplish nothing unless you complain to the right people and they care

In closing my post is no where near the quality of vang and cubs, but I'm trying to say basically the same thing in my own way I guess sorry if it sucks or I rambled.

 

[meeze]

One of the problems with this happening is the quality of players that reaches 75.

Me myself, i feel extremely confident when it come to strategy, listening, understanding, giving orders, etc.

But when you see some of the jackasses playing this game, i sometimes wish tnl was 1 million xp cause i don't want to see them one level higher.

Some of you know i've been hanging out in gustav tunnel forever, and i've seen the rdm/nin melee'n his ass off and all that other shit.

morons like that get discouraged quickly get discrouraged when they see the high tnl's and less and less people will invite them.

Lowering the xp needed for these idiots is not a good thing. I would like to see maybe even higher tnl's earlier to get filter out dumbfucks.

When i see drks wearing phalanx rings, gold set, IM gear, it makes me want to reach through my tv grab thier characters and run it through my garbage disposal.

The sad part about it is that so many people will just "fill the spot" that it they get to pass to the next level.

I am going to hit 75 soon regardless of whether they do this or not, and when i get there everyone can feel safe that i understand my job. But that wont be the case for everyone who can shave off the hours they wont have to xp.

Some people dont deserve to ever see a lvl 75 next to their name. some just level up to the top(maybe take the time to learn what their job is in a xp party). But you see these people take up another job and they suck the life out of it. You would think after 75 levels they would catch on to what the fuck everyone else is doing the party.

This change is going to encourage more of this. There are going to be a shitload of fast leveling jobs filled with idiots who know they can get invites gimping thier way to 75 cause it is going to be even easier to do.

This is the thing that worries me, I have confidence that me myself, cubswoo, vang just to name the people on this thread have the ability to handlre the top, but what about the people that get flamed to holy hell on this sight. You can probably notice most of the people getting flamed are the rdm's and pld's. they are going to get to the top faster.

i mean shit, deucrobant had an hnm ls at 68 and he has got to be one of the worst players i ever played with, and about 100 other players who are still posting on his thread.

make me work harder, that way when i get there i know that only the most dedicated people are there, not some morons that got in on a technicality.

 

[Skaw]

That was the point of my earlier post, Meeze. Everything about this game is learning what you can do, and how to do it with others. Making it easier just lessens what you can learn about your job. Those upper mid levels are when jobs are finally individualized(This is why I hate Promyvions, level 30 is not high enough) and you find out things that you will not have known, Like a Weaponskills damage-based stat(s), or what kind of food is best suited for your role.