Elemmire said:
Like I said in my post above, I never ran around shouting my accomplishments. Neither did Mistaya, and then you see Firestreak make a post like he did to cut her down because of his ideal that "she did nothing."
She is one of my friends, and I will come in and defend her.
I never met you Elemmire, and its a shame you never met me because I was one of the players that made the game fun. I looked at my fellow FFXI players as friends and not as rivals, I hated the endgame politics, I don't look at someones gear/level as who they are. I at least give them a chance or work with them before I get upset with them...usually.
I welcome the XP reduction.
In my post above, a lot of my friends quit the game when they hit 50+ and hit that wall. The actual work of XP wasn't the problem it was forming the party, there weren't many essential classes. They never got to level, and I dont mean hrs, I mean days. They LFG all the time, JPN ONRY was taking off, and you had to deal with static groups. I'm sure its the same way. Most of the classes I see bitching about the stature of lv 75 are the classes that didn't have to suffer on the road to 75. I'm surprised its not the opposite.
XP reduction won't solve that problem or even come close but it will make things a little easier to deal with.
If lv 75 means less but makes more players enjoy FFXI, I welcome it with open arms.
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GhostinmyShell, I agree with elemmire, you make a good point ghostinmyshell, but it was very marred while I read it because of your easy mode comments. I feel I have to defend myself against your arguments, why? Because I'm one of the people who play your easy mode.
I'm sure playing a blm is so much easier than playing other jobs, all I have to do as a blm is press a few macros here and there, try not to steal hate, make a MB right? Just like the dark night who presses a few macros here and there, try not the steal hate, and make a SC, just like the paladin who presses a macro here and there to try and keep hate?
Your comments about easy mode don't seem skill based, they seem based on how much time you spend lfg, I'll agree mages get off real easy when it comes to finding pts, you're completely right it's that easy. Except one fact, throughout my 60's I pt'd with a certain drg alot. Not every day, nor every week, but alot - I would not see him for months, then get another pt with him. He stayed even with me on lvl, tons of other people leveld at the same speed I did regardless of their job. I also played from like 4-11pm -every- day (and still do), and they were all able to keep up.
I'm sure they had uber lfg skills and were able to play "hard mode" at my easy mode pace. I know playing a mage is faster, but it's definatly no easy mode.
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Those are the thoughts in my head while reading what you wrote, had your whole post been:
It would of meant alot more, it may of been noticed less, but it'd be more meaningful.
I'm sure playing a blm is so much easier than playing other jobs, all I have to do as a blm is press a few macros here and there, try not to steal hate, make a MB right? Just like the dark night who presses a few macros here and there, try not the steal hate, and make a SC, just like the paladin who presses a macro here and there to try and keep hate?
Your comments about easy mode don't seem skill based, they seem based on how much time you spend lfg, I'll agree mages get off real easy when it comes to finding pts, you're completely right it's that easy. Except one fact, throughout my 60's I pt'd with a certain drg alot. Not every day, nor every week, but alot - I would not see him for months, then get another pt with him. He stayed even with me on lvl, tons of other people leveld at the same speed I did regardless of their job. I also played from like 4-11pm -every- day (and still do), and they were all able to keep up.
I'm sure they had uber lfg skills and were able to play "hard mode" at my easy mode pace. I know playing a mage is faster, but it's definatly no easy mode.
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Those are the thoughts in my head while reading what you wrote, had your whole post been:
It would of meant alot more, it may of been noticed less, but it'd be more meaningful.
Daveman said:
My comments about easy mode were a sting, and it seems to have worked
Most of us melee types use easy mode to describe how mage classes are able to XP much faster because of the lack of LFG and how needed they are. It's never a slant against skills, its usually a slant when a mage start being acting holier then thou
Honestly I'm sorry if that upset you, as I don't know you, but from your post you don't seem to be like that.
I'm sure situations have changed since I was leveling and getting parties are easier since there are more people playing/lvling these days. I'm also sure the drop in players from WoW hurt, and SE has to start filling the gaps of the void.
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not all mage jobs have the luck, look at smn 
Like the same "sting" could be said about brainless melees just pressing attack and then talking to all thier friends while fighting. 
No offense :lol: :lol:
Just trying to clarify it to everyone for you. Helpin ya ^^.
But anyway sorry for going off topic and being an ass. Now at least everyone sees both sides of the fence.
*** Damn i'm a moron had to edit this 4 times for speling and errors ><*****
No offense :lol: :lol:
Just trying to clarify it to everyone for you. Helpin ya ^^.
But anyway sorry for going off topic and being an ass. Now at least everyone sees both sides of the fence.
*** Damn i'm a moron had to edit this 4 times for speling and errors ><*****
Darkdante said:Like the same "sting" could be said about brainless melees just pressing attack and then talking to all thier friends while fighting.
As a THF, I could easily hold a conversation while fighting so I accept that defeat
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I'm sorry I was rude in my reply to you, Ghostinmyshell, and I agree I have it easier finding a PT during certain times but there are times even we mages have been looking for a group for all day... It's not all easy and I'd say that being a RDM is one of the hardest jobs to be in a party. we have so much that is expected of us. Anyways... I, too, have had friends leave because they didn't wanna go through the exp grind, but it is that challenge of leveling that entertains me. And, I understand you coming in to defend your friend, but remember she might have done something to offend Firestreak (which a lot of people do mostly cause, as far as I can see, they can not hold up to his arguements with proper grammar and intelligent examples). Don't come in and right away start flaming him and calling him rude things especially when you have a valid point you want to make. whenever I start reading a post and it starts out being rude to a person by just calling them names and various things to the sort, I don't bother reading the rest. Anyways, just my opinion.
And Cohibu.... I don't know why you wish to be mean to me when, before the one thread in the flameboard, I had never been mean to you in any way before... I used to think you were a nice and intelligent person, but that's way gone now. Please don't post just to be an ass. It just makes you look bad and the only ones laughing are the ignorant that are like you. Good day.
And Cohibu.... I don't know why you wish to be mean to me when, before the one thread in the flameboard, I had never been mean to you in any way before... I used to think you were a nice and intelligent person, but that's way gone now. Please don't post just to be an ass. It just makes you look bad and the only ones laughing are the ignorant that are like you. Good day.
While I understand your point about not flaming someone to make a point stand out more, this is the internet and as such a discussion will never work out like its intended effect. I read the first three pages, and the last three pages, has anyones opinion of the matter even been altered in the least? Probably not, as people seem to listen more to angry emo posts like mine so thats how I get my point accross. Add a fuck to any statement to get someone to understand it better, because then your serious, and the internet is serious business at that point
Yet we still post our opinions and engage in meaningless flames over trivial topics, over events that won't change over our "debate."
This is the part where I acknowledge this very post is a paradox because I'm posting a point about discussion points which are meaningless in the big scheme of things
Anyway this thread has been derailed enough, this messageboard isn't Allkapoop and gamefaqs so lets have meaningful disagreements
Yet we still post our opinions and engage in meaningless flames over trivial topics, over events that won't change over our "debate."
This is the part where I acknowledge this very post is a paradox because I'm posting a point about discussion points which are meaningless in the big scheme of things
Anyway this thread has been derailed enough, this messageboard isn't Allkapoop and gamefaqs so lets have meaningful disagreements
This is a flame, the ontopic part is below:
Wow what a wonderful thread, someone who takes easy mode in leveling a job to 75 thinks hes the master debater because he replies to every post.
/golfclap
Young Firestreak apparently feels unimpressive anymore in his parents basement unable to cope with the fact he may have to be a little more socialable because more players may hit 75 and have to interact with them.
It must suck being a mage class when the only reason you're there is because of your class instead of who you are. Obviously thats why Firestreak is so upset at this, he will be used by strangers instead of his friends who see that hes a mage rather then the person he claims to be. Thats what I get from him in these posts, someone who cares more about that stupid number then who the person playing the game.
When I started my HNM(that god shell thing is stupid btw like that whole sky thing) shell with Nasya, Phazen and friends, we had small goals and spent months getting things in motion. The only reason we started that shell since we wanted more of our friends involved. We were pretty comfy where most of us were already at in Kurei's shell, well I wasn't there anymore but I had plenty of $$$ to get by Smile
Mistaya and I, along with a few others sacrificed our playing time sitting around waiting for a stupid bird to pop or that purple thing in KBD. The rest of the LS leveled for the good of the LS. I only bring this up to explain why we never hit 75, we took a hit for the team.
Apparently when Firestreak did those gods and things he thought his little sect of society was the only group of capable at the time. I'm so sorry my neck of the woods didn't run around and brag to everyone what we were doing before you guys. Who gives a shit what you think you saw, we did it before you. I was in a JP mostly shell when I killed my first Behemoth, I don't recall running around yelling and showing off my shit.
Oh but wait we didn't do all that because Firestreak didn't know.
Its sad to see the NA vs JP shit still exist on this server, that was one of the reasons we left, stupid politics, always us vs them instead of trying to work it out or have fun together. Apparently you have streetcred now only if do it within nationalism in mind, an NA shell if you will. That's fine but you can't rewrite history.
The reason we left for WoW was because the endgame of FFXI was flat, just like how people have been posting. A lot of our friends were quitting too, most of mine from the day 1 of the NAPC release already quit, a handful of players were left. We left to do something else for 6 months, and saw that SE is putting some effort into making the game more fun. We just lucked out that WoW's endgame is even shittier then FFXI's, I suspect we may see even more players coming back like the best ranger in the game... sup Alteredstate
I think the xp cap reduction is awesome, more players will have the chance to see more of the endgame and wonder at the sights of Tu'lia. It shows me as someone who quit playing a while back see that SE wants to put some effort into making the game fun again. It makes me sad remembering a number of friends hitting the 50s and just giving up because of the amount of work(building parties, LFG that sort of thing not actual XPing) to put into their character to advance.
Well the first thing I'm going to say is, you're lucky, at this very moment, I happen to be in a good mood. Because I'm going to go easy on you, because obviously you aren't too bright so therefore I have to make allowances.
First off it was nice of you to comment on my living situation, of which you know nothing about because you don't know me at all. It's so reassuring to know regardless of how or where I live it should have any affect at all here. It's so cute of you, really.
Secondly it's nice to see how much you respect your mages. Being as I've never been in any LS or exp party with your gimp ass. I'm sorry you leveled so slow, maybe it's because you were a shitty thief compared to Bjbreeze, Jsoft and Slacker? I don't know, I'm just speculating based on no information at all. I see that's how the two of us like to argue.
But on this mage subject, the cluie train is coming around, last stop is you unfortunately...
Stupid Thief: You mages are all worse than me, I am far more experiences because of my time spent sitting in my mog house. You are taking the easy way out, playing a job many people like myself are far too cool to play. No, we're going to take the high road and autoattack while we jerk off in a corner. You have fun making the party run and needing to actually use any strategy at all in battle.
Fuck all you assholes who play mage jobs. You are all just cheaters. More people should be cool like me and play damage dealer. PTs full of DRKs and THFs with no mages.
No wait... plz party with me... plz join my LS... plz static with me. Poor me, I level so slow. ;;
Damn you mage. How dare you have an ego? Everyone knows us who took the high road by playing a job that requires hitting autoattack and taking a whiz are the true hard workers of FF.
Mistaya, your buddy friend, was disrespectfuil to me, and got the same disrespect in return, end of story.
And oh yea, I'm so envious of your great HNM adventures. Joining a Japanese LS where you all got ripped off. Then tagging along for a short time and staying at levels too low to be actually useful in any god fights. Then getting discarded. I'm so sorry I was leveling up my job to 75 so I could join Jsoft and Nnep's shell and actually be able to fight gods instead of rushing into it underleveled and being useless. I know for a fact Mistaya wasn't even 72 until months and months later because hell she PTed with my SECOND job. Paladin, not a mage. I guess that makes me worthy now?
I'm sure you guys have tagged along alot here and I'm actually quite impressed by Almaut and Nasya and their shell... but unfrotauntely I'm not impressed by you guys talking about how you know all there is to know about what end game is like now. YOU'RE TOO LOW TO EVEN WEAR AF2 OR ABJURATION. Get over yourself.
Then you want to bitch that we want to compete against the JP LS? You want to pin it on nationalism just because we don't want to bend over and take it while we get claim-stealed and MPKed? I'm sorry I didn't realize you got the HNM daily bulletin over on your WoW server.
Now I've attacked your argument. but I'm going to leave you alone. I never had anything against you while you played and until you pulled this stupid shit I didn't now. I'm not going to lower myself to your level. My evil side also gave me an insult to Kipsy as well for agreeing with you... and while deserved I feel, I'm going to be the more mature one and let it slide.
So I'll just close with this... congratulations with defending your friend, who was wrong, with statements that were wrong. I hope you feel better about yourself because of it. I suggest you follow suit with Mistaya and head the fuck back to WoW because the changes you felt made FF no fun for you are never going to be unchanged. This update isn't going to unchange them, and in my opinion it's going to make it worse.
Firestreak said:
Uh oh, I'm not very bright
You say I don't know you and then you call me cute, let's get a room.
I think you need to go back to debate school my friend, you haven't attacked anything, you are incredibly upset and fumed, and your retort where you think you are witty and funny comes off flatter then a 12 yr old's chest.
Personally I don't care what you think of me, you already lowered yourself in repsonding to my post in the first place making an enormous post making yourself look like a jackass that I skimmed over with a yawn.
Thank you for replying to my post like I knew you would, now go get the cheese with your whine about how making this game easier and fun for everyone makes your epenis even smaller.
Your opinion sucks by the way.
I'm stupid Fire is right.
I'm not going to waste my time responding to all of that, because obviously you are in your own little world.
You've made 0 points. You've reponded to zero of the comments I've made. Youv'e defended zero of your points I've trashed. And you resorted to childish namecalling yet again.
Honestly, I'll just let people decide for themselves who's the asshole.
You've made 0 points. You've reponded to zero of the comments I've made. Youv'e defended zero of your points I've trashed. And you resorted to childish namecalling yet again.
Honestly, I'll just let people decide for themselves who's the asshole.
I'm stupid and fire is right.
Firestreak said:
Okay I agree with you there, you win the debate kind sir!
I am fairly sure I partied with you, and if I recall it was the party that a dragoon made level 75... or was really close to it and didn't make it... I
think it was Kira. It was in RoMaeve.If this wasn't you, oops.
And that's right, I baited you, and I tried to prove one point. The point that you are talking about something and trying to add to them the effect of "I've been there, I know." The point is... BULLSHIT. You don't know. You are a TAG-A-LONG. Before you go claiming to have experience all the end game has to offer and saying you are eternally satisfied with it, why don't you pull your head out of your ass for a second and listen to all the other 75s who have spent months actually fighting HNMs instead of pretending to be one?
And I will answer your question. The answer is nothing.I don't have any problems with "next gen" level 75ers. Half of my friendlist is full of level 75s who didn't even play the game when me and you were 75. I don't particulary give a shit if end game is crowded or not as I'm done with that scene anyway.
But I'll repeat myself, because you seem to be hard of hearing(yes I know it's the internet)...
I don't know how much exp will be changed. I am not making any apocolypic conditions. I am merely saying, if you ask me, it's a bad idea.
I say it's a bad idea, you ask why. I tell you why. You argue against the reason. I explain my reason. Yada yada, this whole thing gets blown way the hell out of proportion. Just because you can't convince me to change my mind, does not mean I feel terribly strongly about this whole thing. What's pisses me off, is people like you making stupid arguments. It's pissing me off way more than any exp change. So juist accept the fact that I don't agree with it and get on with your life.
And Konartist, stop attaching yourself like a leech to every person who makes an argument against me. We hate each other. You're a piece of shit. We get it. Move on with your life.