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Bigboy said:
If it wasn't, it wouldn't be used. And I can't see how being able to completely avoid being hit doesn't count as an advantage. Sure in cases where you are Drawn in, it doeasn't make as much of a difference, but even there is has it's uses.
reread the post in context, I said "real" advantage. And afaik no one really used fleetool during wryms except 1 jorg where we lost anyways.

We had people using fleetool to get around sky at one point, those people just get too used to the speed to give it up even when it's not "needed".
 
Daveman said:
reread the post in context, I said "real" advantage. And afaik no one really used fleetool during wryms except 1 jorg where we lost anyways.

We had people using fleetool to get around sky at one point, those people just get too used to the speed to give it up even when it's not "needed".

I read the post in context... thats where the comment about being drawn in came from. I know what you are talking about, and I've attended many land king fights. And I can still say, if it didn't make a difference, there would be no reason to use it. The benefit of using it has to be greater than the risk of being deleted. That must be pretty damn usefull if you ask me.
 
I just noticed through all the analogies, all the "bank robbery" crap, one thing seems to have gotten lost:

If you don't approve of it and don't take advantage of it, that's one thing. If you continually participate in events with someone who is cheating, you are reaping the rewards of their unfair actions, and put yourself on the same level.

Read that, Uzor. I have a friend myself who speedhacks. I personally will not call a GM because they have been a very good friend to me for a long time. I disapprove however, and will not allow it to happen while I'm around and partied.

There is a subtle difference between going easy on a friend and accepting it enough to benefit from it.

A decent number of OH members cheat. The other members know and/or accept this, and continue to participate. There is no reason the remaining members of OH should not be lumped in with those who cheat.
 
Uzor said:
So if trying to stop my sister from robbing a bank, but not calling the police on her after she's done it, then yes. Call me a bank robber. If asking my LS not to use cheats, but not calling a GM on them when they do, then yes. Call me a cheater.
But if you go in the bank with her, leave with her, and get a share of the loot, would you still be innocent even if you just stood there, and didn't even have a gun?
 
Simple fact is justify it or not it's cheating no what and no matter how hard you try to play it off. Even if others do it it still does not make it right. IF you have to rely on something the game does not offer you through legitamte work your cheating.

I have said before that I have friends in OH and I respect them but that is no reason to let it slide. I also know many of yo ureally don't care that it's out now. All I can say is im sad to see a skilled shell go down like this.

By the way Uzor, my last post was not an attack directed at you I am sorry if it sounded as such I know your not an LS leader I was mearly pointing out that your shel will be judged by it's members. again sorry if that cam off as directed at you.
 
Hmm, lol, everyone is pickin on OH, but in WSM post, another ls has been called out on the speed hack thing O_o. GOGO drama!!!
 
Daveman said:
And afaik no one really used fleetool during wryms except 1 jorg where we lost anyways.
Yeah I guess you didn't have a LS full of Smns to zerg it for you that day.

Daveman said:
We had people using fleetool to get around sky at one point, those people just get too used to the speed to give it up even when it's not "needed".
Oh so when other LS's are in sky and are widescanning for a nm to pop, it's not cheating when a group of people from your LS uses flee hacks to get there first and hold claim? Nope that's not cheating at all.

I like how one OH member denies they cheat, then others say they do but it isn't a big deal. Then you guys claim others cheat on your website when you have no evidence that they do. Hypocrites much?
 
Daveman said:
Then you really should look at yourself before talking about the hacks. People just read the word "hack" and consider it the greatest evil. I'm sure any kaizen member can testify that speedhacking isn't even a real advantage to killing wryms and the like. Our ls uses it more out of utility than neccesity, and I can assure you, people who do use it do it out of their own accord, and most people don't even speedhack, it's literally like 2-3 people that still use it at all, alot stopped using after glade got perma banned, then more when kireek got caught, I'm sure even more with these threads.

Then at least some good has come out of these threads. Strangely enough, up until a couple of pages ago, your linkshell members were claiming that they didn't believe any speedhacking was occurring. At least someone has finally been upfront and honest about it.

People keep asking why hacking is an issue. I'm not sure how many people here keep up with events across other servers, but recently someone posted screenshots from the LS Boards of "Excellence", one of the top NA Shells on Hades, giving its members detailed instructions on how to use claim bots in conjunction with flee and warp hacks. The LS that was called out readily admitted that they use these hacks on pretty much everything, and noone on the server even seemed particularly surprised as it seems that all the shells do exactly the same thing.

On Quetz, we probably camp more land Kings than any other NA Shell. We don't use any hacks to claim or fight, and we're very proud of that (which is why you've seen so many of our people posting in this thread, when most rarely post here at all). The linkshell that we're competing against most of the time is JDA. I can't prove it, but I'm almost certain that they don't use hacks to claim either (if they do, their hack really sucks because they don't dominate claims any more than any other shell).

Speedhacks offer a marginal advantage on many fights with a pretty high probability of getting caught, because it's obvious to anyone in the area that it's happening. Claimbots on the other hand offer a huge reward for using, and are almost impossible to prove. If someone is willing to take the risk with a speed hack, it's only a small step for them to start using a claimbot (and there's certainly no evidence that OH has ever done this), and that's pretty much the end of the endgame for any remotely honest people.

I can't imagine playing the endgame on Hades. The players on Quetz will decide if we go the same way, and the first step is accepting hacks.
 
Daveman said:
Seriously unless you fit none of these situations:

a) Ever tried something illegal (pot, underage drinking, etc..)
b) Know someone who has done something illegal and may even do it regularly, but are still friends with them
c) You yourself do this regularly

Then you really should look at yourself before talking about the hacks. People just read the word "hack" and consider it the greatest evil.
Me doing something to my body in RL doesnt really change how you live your life, lets say 3000 miles away, but you hacking in the game I play, does change my playing experiance.

Just an example, not saying you hack.
 
Daveman said:
Seriously unless you fit none of these situations:

a) Ever tried something illegal (pot, underage drinking, etc..)
b) Know someone who has done something illegal and may even do it regularly, but are still friends with them
c) You yourself do this regularly

Then you really should look at yourself before talking about the hacks. People just read the word "hack" and consider it the greatest evil.

This just in!

If you have ever smoked pot, you have no room to talk about hacks!!!

Jesus Dave... did you think before you posted that? I think you are a lot smarter than to reach that far.
 
Falsey said:
Me doing something to my body in RL doesnt really change how you live your life, lets say 3000 miles away, but you hacking in the game I play, does change my playing experiance.

Just an example, not saying you hack.

I followed it up with the fact that it's not a needed tool to kill the mobs we do for that reason. It really doesn't affect others since it hasn't ever "won" us at fight. I don't have sea, but if it was the reason we won prudence, then well, it's a popped NM so it still doesn't affect you
 
Crosis said:
Yeah I guess you didn't have a LS full of Smns to zerg it for you that day.
What do you care how we killed it? Or that 8hr tiamat done with like 1 smn? We sure used other ls's to zerg it for us! We are unable to beat wryms on the fly on our own, it's not the worse thing in the world to ask for help to be able to compete for claims.

Oh so when other LS's are in sky and are widescanning for a nm to pop, it's not cheating when a group of people from your LS uses flee hacks to get there first and hold claim? Nope that's not cheating at all.

I like how one OH member denies they cheat, then others say they do but it isn't a big deal. Then you guys claim others cheat on your website when you have no evidence that they do. Hypocrites much?
Except for the part where the majority of the ls doesn't use speehacks, so if somone did that to get a claim in sky, they'd die solo.
 
Daveman said:
I followed it up with the fact that it's not a needed tool to kill the mobs we do for that reason. It really doesn't affect others since it hasn't ever "won" us at fight. I don't have sea, but if it was the reason we won prudence, then well, it's a popped NM so it still doesn't affect you

And how would anyone know where the hacks begin or end anymore? Meaning which ones are being used. You bring up 2 examples, what about everything else?

Just saying, re-think your rationale.
 
That Bahamut Video showed your alliance was nearly wiped when you got the killshot, so it'd be hard to claim that speedhacks weren't the difference there either...
 
Daveman said:
What do you care how we killed it? Or that 8hr tiamat done with like 1 smn? We sure used other ls's to zerg it for us! We are unable to beat wryms on the fly on our own, it's not the worse thing in the world to ask for help to be able to compete for claims.

Except for the part where the majority of the ls doesn't use speehacks, so if somone did that to get a claim in sky, they'd die solo.

to compete for claims??? rofl, tiamat isnt even "camped" so to speak... i dont think thats a valid arguement. all that statement says is that "we cant kill it on our own, so we are gonna outsource to anyone willing at the time"...

i mean really, 8 hours with 1 smn? i mean, congrats on the kill and the extremely massive xp loss.. but if i was personally tiamat, and i was fighting you for 8 hours, i sure would have fell asleep after that long and let you kill me... lol

i dont see how you are gonna say "majority" of your ls doesnt speedhack, when there are multiple instances where it has been proved that what, at least 2 people definitely (and maybe more) do? thats not just a isolated condition here and there..... and not to mention that the main one is the "leader" of the shell.. i mean, what kind of example does that set?

it makes me sick that all of you are content with being in a shell where people cheat regularly.
 
Just for fun I googled "Halflife" and found this page.

I bid my farewell break and trusted this account to a caretaker which was known by the ls members, with a thought of returning, but I couldn't log since my password was changed without my consent. I don't even know what happened to my account and I don't even know these notorious acts happened during my absence.

Anyone care to explain what happened to Half after the mpk? Did she got banned?

By the way this is Halflife, not being controlled by “others”.
 
neophytal said:
to compete for claims??? rofl, tiamat isnt even "camped" so to speak... i dont think thats a valid arguement. all that statement says is that "we cant kill it on our own, so we are gonna outsource to anyone willing at the time"...

i mean really, 8 hours with 1 smn? i mean, congrats on the kill and the extremely massive xp loss.. but if i was personally tiamat, and i was fighting you for 8 hours, i sure would have fell asleep after that long and let you kill me... lol
Lol I find it funy how you said "I respected your kill until I learned you speedhacked", seems like you never respected it at all, and were just pretending to in order to make arguements stronger? Anyways this is a seperate issue you wanna flame us cause we're not good at killing wryms yet go ahead in another thread. I seem to remember kaizen having much trouble in their early kills too.

i dont see how you are gonna say "majority" of your ls doesnt speedhack, when there are multiple instances where it has been proved that what, at least 2 people definitely (and maybe more) do? thats not just a isolated condition here and there..... and not to mention that the main one is the "leader" of the shell.. i mean, what kind of example does that set?

it makes me sick that all of you are content with being in a shell where people cheat regularly.
The majority really don't though, the ls has a good 30 active members, only a few used the speedhack really. As for this general issue it was addressed in earlier posts mostly by uzor I think.
 
Halflife said:
Just for fun I googled "Halflife" and found this page.

I bid my farewell break and trusted this account to a caretaker which was known by the ls members, with a thought of returning, but I couldn't log since my password was changed without my consent. I don't even know what happened to my account and I don't even know these notorious acts happened during my absence.

Anyone care to explain what happened to Half after the mpk? Did she got banned?

By the way this is Halflife, not being controlled by “others”.

yea, you trusted your account to a person who help the ls sooo "much"
haha...
padam muka!
 
Halflife said:
Just for fun I googled "Halflife" and found this page.

I bid my farewell break and trusted this account to a caretaker which was known by the ls members, with a thought of returning, but I couldn't log since my password was changed without my consent. I don't even know what happened to my account and I don't even know these notorious acts happened during my absence.

Anyone care to explain what happened to Half after the mpk? Did she got banned?

By the way this is Halflife, not being controlled by “others”.

I'm not sure if anyone here knows. The "incident" was about six months ago. The people that knew you and saw your character knew it wasn't you controlling it (if that's any consolation). It occurred at a relatively low priority camp, and to my knowledge noone was ever suspended over it.

And I'm not sure that Halflife has been seen since. Certainly noone is running around consistently playing the character...
 
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