OHrly?

Justie said:
Hey wheres my Ridill!!! :(
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lol, leveling a job that can wear it would help to.:biggrin:
 
I don't have any problem with Kaizen, I don't care if you do or don't use hacks.

I never made a public accusation, I only explained things I thought I saw or heard from others repeatedly.

I never claimed to have evidence except for 1 screenshot I saw with a GM conversation over the MPK using Halflife.

This conversation also cuts out a deal of the points I make, since it's already in the public, I'll post all of it.

-Neo

i respected the win, no matter how long it took until i saw proof that your ls (including the main leader) cheats. i lost all respect at that point.. watching videos, and hearing of several accounts of it (from farys who was IN your linkshell, no less).

and then topping it off...prophecy tries to justify it by saying "we arent worse than JDA" ...


Me-

I'm not trying to start drama, hence I am not going to name any names, but I might suggest you look into your LS a bit more carefully, specially your Paladins if you see cheating as as abhorant.

Also might want to look into the account of Halflife, what it's been used for, who controlled it, ext.

-Although a lot of the people I've witnessed doing wrong have since moved on from Kaizen, a couple remain. I'm not aware of any most recent activity but as I said, I don't pay attention to that stuff, and of course winning legit is easier once you've built up a base of gear and members.

Also look at JDA, the new LS called Purpose and pretty much anyone on this server who camps HNM.

That's all, not trying to start shit, hence I didn't just post this.


Neo-

our paladins? we dont hardly -have- any paladins that are active. we have like, 1, maybe 2. but tell me what you speak of, i would be really interested to know.

halflife, i have never seen in the shell. is this something regarding dragons aery? because i know we were blamed for something before, but someone had admitted outside of our shell to doing something with that account so i didnt think anything of it.

i didnt mean it anything wrong towards you, because i personally respect you. but i just cant respect the ls as a whole after the blatent viewing of what prophecy does, especially, in particular. :(

-tk




-Neo

jamal is not in our LS, he quit a few months ago when we gave a drop to someone outside our shell in fafnir in good faith since they wiped on the fight before us...

i dont know what happened then, but i know this hasnt happened at least in the last 8 months.

HNMparty uses claim bots like crazy-- so its funny dowzer brings that up so much, talking about a kettle being black. we quit FAFNIR a few months ago because it was wearing, but we didnt claim in 2 1/2 weeks because we didnt cheat, and that got really old. :(

for what its worth, if halflife was jolin, thats funny-- jolin, ingwe, aurelias, and rainer are all in JDA now. so if she mpk'd them really, then she mpk'd her current shell now.

yeah, you are right. i really dont tolerate any of it. if anyone in my ls started cheating, and they allowed it, id be out. i dont agree with it, i dont like to cheat in anything i do...

if someone from my ls cheated, i'd probably gm them right there myself, if i knew of it. believe me, i just dont like it. windower is about as cheating as it gets for me... i dislike when people even fishbot, lol

-tk



-Me


Yes, most of the offending cheaters are presently gone from Kaizen. Not to offend, but Kaizen also seems to have lost a lot of power. OH lost several members to Kaizen in the past from when you were just starting to kill Wyrms, most importantly summoners. As we both know, with enough SMNs Wyrms can become a fairly mundane task. So therefore having the SMNs = the ability to kill. Having the ability to kill = the ability to recruit easily. Having gear already established from dirty tactics will give the same advantage.

Even JDA while they'll have no qualms about cheats, clearly they've built a strong enough LS off of it to not rely. But yeah, one of our LS members wanted to join JDA originally, but Jsoft blocked him because he sent J a tell after he used a teleporting claim bot up in Upper Del.

I could go on for hours about the moralty of 3rd party programs, but in short I'll say yes there's no victimless crime, the victim is squaresoft however and I couldn't care less about them. As I said in that bigass thread flame, the things I don't tolerate are stealing, claim bots and MPKing.

I don't know about the last... I'd say, 3 or 4 months, but yeah there has been some funny business in the last 8. You would just have to look at your own group with paranoia to notice it, people not in main but add parties, dragging mobs away from the rest of the group.

But I see no reason whatsoever to follow Kaizen ppl around and take screens of videos, and I don't even know if anyone still does anything bad anymore. I just figure drama over it is pointless, GMs are the only people who can discourage anyway. Negative shit doesn't help the cause, afterall after that thread, like 10 people applied or sent me /tells to join my Dynamis Ls in like hours, which was a bit disturbing.

Afteall cheaters will only get themselves banned, they aren't gonna get an entire LS banned. Heavily flow of cheaters into endgame LS = bad thing overall for rivals LS and people within the LS who don't approve.






Now I'm sorry, but pulling that out of context leaves out a lot, what I say in what I thought was a personal conversation about getting people to simply pay more attention versus any attempt to injure Kaizen's reputation is completely different. But like always, Kaizen people are always hypersensitive to the mere mention of their name.

So I'm oh so sorry Almaut.
 
Aeron said:
Oh yeah? Stealing is fair? I doubt it. Gonna reply that you don't steal... KB, Nidhogg, does that ring a bell? You guys stole KB at 1% and wiped on it, which actually made it funny. If you're gonna dirty your name by stealing, at least get something out of it.
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I was in NH when we WIPED to KB. Every tank was dead all mages were dead. Masterorion and Seshomaru were too far away to have come and finished it. We lost. Get over it.

Aeron said:
Nidhogg. You're gonna tell me we were wiping? Then why did your leader feel so guilty about taking it that she asked our members how many people were standing and offered to split the drops. However with those "ethics" you talk about, you didn't even invite our MNK in time for the beard.
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You were gonna wipe, all your tanks were dead. Your mages were dying. Twenty minutes had past and Nid wasnt even past 90%.
 
firestreak-

just to clear something up--i dont care that you posted it the full convo, thats cool... when you brought these accusations to me, i just asked about them and they wanted to see what was said. so on our linkshell board, i posted the full, entire conversation. however, almaut just posted the relevent points of one of the major posts with accusations that was brought to their attention.

just wanted to make sure that it wasnt implied that i only provided a portion of the conversation that lead to this topic.
 
meastoso said:
Fixed.
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what m.bodies ;p theres only like 2 in your LS, masashiro & almaut am I correct?
 
neophytal said:
firestreak-

just to clear something up--i dont care that you posted it the full convo, thats cool... when you brought these accusations to me, i just asked about them and they wanted to see what was said. so on our linkshell board, i posted the full, entire conversation. however, almaut just posted the relevent points of one of the major posts with accusations that was brought to their attention.

just wanted to make sure that it wasnt implied that i only provided a portion of the conversation that lead to this topic.
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I'll be honest, I figured it was a person conversation, which is the only reason I named names, I also said several times I can't prove.

You also were talking about all the claim botting you suspect of JDA, which clearly you can't prove either.

I think the context is relevant because the context shows that it was mostly conjecture. I would never have came out and just flamed with no evidence and even evidence that I had I wouldn't have posted because I...

...don't have any problem with Kaizen as stated, and am fairly amoral to the use of hacks that I don't see as harmful to anyone as stated.

Hence if you just list off statements out of context, it changes what I'm saying, which I thought was a friendly and honest chat I was having in private with a friend, and then it is manipulated as if I'm making blind baseless attacks with the intent to discredit who I view to be a credible linkshell.


In short, I'm not a quiet kind of guy, if I had a problem with Kaizen, I'd have spoke out, in public. I made references to incedents I saw with several different LS and was trying discuss possible solutions or understandings that would make endgame more fair without creating drama. Obviously, my attempt to simply talk out any incedents with Kaizen in a drama free way has been a failure.
 
Firestreak said:
I don't have any problem with Kaizen, I don't care if you do or don't use hacks.

I never made a public accusation, I only explained things I thought I saw or heard from others repeatedly.

I never claimed to have evidence except for 1 screenshot I saw with a GM conversation over the MPK using Halflife.

This conversation also cuts out a deal of the points I make, since it's already in the public, I'll post all of it.

[Cut out PM's to save space]

Now I'm sorry, but pulling that out of context leaves out a lot, what I say in what I thought was a personal conversation about getting people to simply pay more attention versus any attempt to injure Kaizen's reputation is completely different. But like always, Kaizen people are always hypersensitive to the mere mention of their name.

So I'm oh so sorry Almaut.
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You saying "Almaut would take mobs and hyperspeed them around" sounds more like factual evidence rather than something you thought you saw or heard from others. Since I know with 100% certainty that I don't hack, your PM comes off as an accusation. In regard to the Halflife MPK, you made it sound like you were 100% certain it was Jolin controlling Halflife by saying "As for Halflife she was controlled by Jolin." Since no one knows who was actually controlling Halflife that day, it comes off as an accusation. Had you wanted to keep these accusations private, you shouldn't have messaged someone in my LS.

I replied to specific things you had written because that was what you were basing your conversation on. There is no reason to pay more attention to internal issues in our LS because there is no hacking going on. Claiming that we hack would make anyone in a linkshell with a no hacking rule "hypersensitive" to the things you say, especially when it isn't even true.
 
I also don't see the reason that Almaut decided to make it public instead of talk it out to me in private. I don't talk about Kaizen in public, and to be quite honest we don't talk about Kaizen in LS chat, except for like a couple hours at the most after the MPK incedent. So why the post was titled at OH is a little baffling to be honest.

Not even sure what I want to do about that screenshot. I quite frankly don't want any more drama but at the same time don't really want to appear as if I'm just talking out of my ass.
 
Almut, are u saying fire cannot have friends in your shell? He sent a private tell to someone he thought was a friend. That person turns around and gives you the message, and then you are come on and post it out of context. What should have happened is that Neo kept the conversation private like it was intended to be.
 
I didn't ask for the PM's personally, word got around in the LS that firestreak had sent a PM to neo basically saying certain people hack and that we were behind the halflife MPK. I heard about it and didn't think much about it until I read the specifics of what firestreak had said. The reason I posted out of context was because it was his personal opinion to specific things he thought went on in our LS. However, none of it is true and because of that, his opinion is flawed in regards to me hacking, jolin MPKing as halflife, and prophecy getting his hacking information from being in our LS.
 
Almaut said:
I didn't ask for the PM's personally, word got around in the LS that firestreak had sent a PM to neo basically saying certain people hack and that we were behind the halflife MPK. I heard about it and didn't think much about it until I read the specifics of what firestreak had said. The reason I posted out of context was because it was his personal opinion to specific things he thought went on in our LS. However, none of it is true and because of that, his opinion is flawed in regards to me hacking, jolin MPKing as halflife, and prophecy getting his hacking information from being in our LS.
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I still don't see how Fire's personal oppinion = the oppinion of OH? o.O; *stares at the thread name*
 
Almaut said:
You saying "Almaut would take mobs and hyperspeed them around" sounds more like factual evidence rather than something you thought you saw or heard from others. Since I know with 100% certainty that I don't hack, your PM comes off as an accusation. In regard to the Halflife MPK, you made it sound like you were 100% certain it was Jolin controlling Halflife by saying "As for Halflife she was controlled by Jolin." Since no one knows who was actually controlling Halflife that day, it comes off as an accusation. Had you wanted to keep these accusations private, you shouldn't have messaged someone in my LS.

I replied to specific things you had written because that was what you were basing your conversation on. There is no reason to pay more attention to internal issues in our LS because there is no hacking going on. Claiming that we hack would make anyone in a linkshell with a no hacking rule "hypersensitive" to the things you say, especially when it isn't even true.
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No it's not factual evidence when I say specifically, "I don't have any evidence." I think my entire position in the conversation I was having was lost on you.

Neo told me flat out right at the start that he respects and doesn't judge until he sees evidence, therefore within the context of our conversation I knew I wasn't going to make him start thinking about quitting the LS over this discussion. That's why I made a point to say there wasn't evidence.

I said simply to keep his eyes open. If there's no cheating going on, as you say, then why shouldn't he keep his eyes open? If he doesn't judge without evidence, and there's nothing to hide, what wrong could talking over it possibly do?

And if it's not true, why not clear it up with me? Have I in some way been attempting to injure you?
 
Almaut said:
I heard about it and didn't think much about it until I read the specifics of what firestreak had said.
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I'd like to add that your PMs was posted on our forums for everyone to read. Also, the reason I brought it publically was because if you believed this was true, then I'm certain other people would be thinking the same things. The title of the thread is publicly displaying your LS but again, if you heard about it, others in your LS would have also.
 
Almaut said:
I'd like to add that your PMs was posted on our forums for everyone to read. Also, the reason I brought it publically was because if you believed this was true, then I'm certain other people would be thinking the same things. The title of the thread is publicly displaying your LS but again, if you heard about it, others in your LS would have also.
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i hadn't. It was Firestreaks oppinion. So once again, why involve OH in it, looking for some more drama? :P
 
actually, Being from OH. ive heard nothing like this in our shell....ever. i dont even hear the name Kaizen unless we are giving a list of counter campers at an HNM camp. ive heard no bad mouthing or accusations of kaizen whatsoever.
So this thread does not represent the opinion of OH at all as OH as a whole im sure has no opinion to this because we got nothin against kaizen.
 
Uzor said:
i hadn't. It was Firestreaks oppinion. So once again, why involve OH in it, looking for some more drama? :P
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You might not have but can you speak for everyone in your LS? Rather then having to deal with it constantly had it been brought it, I figured I would just post it here so people know.
 
Almaut said:
You might not have but can you speak for everyone in your LS? Rather then having to deal with it constantly had it been brought it, I figured I would just post it here so people know.
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like Chasym said, I've NEVER seen people in the LS talk about Kaizen other then the occasionall;

"Who's CC'ing?"
"Kaizen, Xxx, Yyy"

or the ever-so-often;

"Kaizen's otw here"

So no, its not brought up in the LS... at ALL. So accusing the whole LS of sharing Fire's oppinion is what I consider rather unfair :nono:
 
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