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Almaut said:
I'd like to add that your PMs was posted on our forums for everyone to read. Also, the reason I brought it publically was because if you believed this was true, then I'm certain other people would be thinking the same things. The title of the thread is publicly displaying your LS but again, if you heard about it, others in your LS would have also.
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There are general rumors floating around, and as I said before, I never remember a conversation over LS chat about Kaizen cheating.

I had on an occasion seen you jumping around while kiting mobs around Tiamat. This is true. Does that mean you hack? No. did I tell anyone about it? Never even mentioned it once until this conversation with Neo. Even if you had been hacking, would I have really cared? No. It's not my business. And I can't prove it, nor do I care to. For all I know you were lagging.

The purpose wasn't to discredit you, the purpose was to explain my mentality.

As for halflife, there's a screenshot floating around I think you should see if I can get my hands on it. If I can get a hold of it I'll just PM it to you.
 
One more thing, claim bots.-

"HNMparty uses claim bots like crazy-- so its funny dowzer brings that up so much, talking about a kettle being black. we quit FAFNIR a few months ago because it was wearing, but we didnt claim in 2 1/2 weeks because we didnt cheat, and that got really old. :("

This was Neo's statement about HNMparty, and from the way he said it, sounds like it's your entire LSs view. Now admittedly neither of us care about offending HNMParty, but it sounds to me like a person making an accusation without evidence even being possible.

Now I'm of the opinion that if HNMParty has been using claim bots, which I think they do, then it's pretty interesting that before a bunch of people left for JDA you were claiming Fafnir regulary and now you have pretty much given up.

That's the funny thing about claim bots. Your own LS members could be using them and you would never know. Since claim is such a large issue and constantly getting worse, claim bots are one of those things I must say that are so bad they make every other hack pale in comparison.

At the same time it's wrong to make unprovable claims, but Neo made them just as me. That was the nature of our conversation, suspicions, not evidence.
 
Please leave halflife alone, it has nothing to do with any of you.
We know who did it and we definately ain't gonna make a huge fuss over it.
This dude wants to be that low misusing classmates' accounts, fine by us.
Halflife will settle everything with the criminal soon.
That's all

P.S. it is not jolin.
 
Firestreak said:
One more thing, claim bots.-

"HNMparty uses claim bots like crazy-- so its funny dowzer brings that up so much, talking about a kettle being black. we quit FAFNIR a few months ago because it was wearing, but we didnt claim in 2 1/2 weeks because we didnt cheat, and that got really old. :("

This was Neo's statement about HNMparty, and from the way he said it, sounds like it's your entire LSs view. Now admittedly neither of us care about offending HNMParty, but it sounds to me like a person making an accusation without evidence even being possible.

Now I'm of the opinion that if HNMParty has been using claim bots, which I think they do, then it's pretty interesting that before a bunch of people left for JDA you were claiming Fafnir regulary and now you have pretty much given up.

That's the funny thing about claim bots. Your own LS members could be using them and you would never know. Since claim is such a large issue and constantly getting worse, claim bots are one of those things I must say that are so bad they make every other hack pale in comparison.

At the same time it's wrong to make unprovable claims, but Neo made them just as me. That was the nature of our conversation, suspicions, not evidence.
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No, most of us think HNMParty bots. It's ridiculously obvious. They show up to Fafnir/Nidhogg and win 75% of the claims, and as far as I've seen each Nidhogg pop they've been there for, not to mention almost every single KB. Now, killing Nidhogg is another story.

If someone from our linkshell botted, it would be pretty obvious seeing the same person claiming over and over. As for the people leaving for JDA comment? It's a shame the people who left to join JDA rarely showed up to camps in the first place. Nice try.
 
meastoso said:
No, most of us think HNMParty bots. It's ridiculously obvious. They show up to Fafnir/Nidhogg and win 75% of the claims, and as far as I've seen each Nidhogg pop they've been there for, not to mention almost every single KB. Now, killing Nidhogg is another story.

If someone from our linkshell botted, it would be pretty obvious seeing the same person claiming over and over. As for the people leaving for JDA comment? It's a shame the people who left to join JDA rarely showed up to camps in the first place. Nice try.
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Just as you said, it becomes suspicion when someone claims over and over again. Of course that's all I said to Neo in our conversation. You know of nobody who tends to claim over and over and over? Or more specifically someone who used to and now is no longer with you?
 
Well i'm not going to point fingers
Just leave my friends (MaresiaSlayers) alone and i am sure we will be happy.
It is more of our issue, i don't see why you have to bring it out
Thats all, so if you could stop pointing fingers who control halflife and stop bringing up this topic, I would appreciate it a lot.
Thanks
 
Kirayamato said:
Well i'm not going to point fingers
Just leave my friends (MaresiaSlayers) alone and i am sure we will be happy.
It is more of our issue, i don't see why you have to bring it out
Thats all, so if you could stop pointing fingers who control halflife and stop bringing up this topic, I would appreciate it a lot.
Thanks
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Well I was actually killed myself by the MPK. I don't hold a grudge however, really is water under the bridge. But then none of my conversation was meant to be negative.
 
Firestreak said:
You know of nobody who tends to claim over and over and over? Or more specifically someone who used to and now is no longer with you?
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Nope. I always keep filters off to see who grabs it first, and it's always different. As people have repeated over, and over again. We don't tolerate cheating in any form, end of story.
 
I happened to see quite often Jamal get claim but then I've witnessed less claims overall than you have.


-Would I have ever thought to accuse a person based on something weak as that? No. But yet again we're talking about now the thoughts that roll around in my head I had meant to be private.
 
Firestreak said:
-Would I have ever thought to accuse a person based on something weak as that? No. But yet again we're talking about now the thoughts that roll around in my head I had meant to be private.
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Don't make accusations without proof to anyone then you won't have problems like this.
 
scwall claims behemoth all the time but he uses ps2, so he doesn't bot, he's just a good claimer.
dowzer claims a good deal of the time, but I believe he's also on ps2
jamal claimed fafnir a bunch of times when I was there back when he was in kaizen.
 
Crosis said:
Don't make accusations without proof to anyone then you won't have problems like this.
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people are allowed to have opinions and speculations and talk about them freely so long as the other in the conversation has no problem with it... people make assumptions all the time in life even if you don't want to you prolly do. I'm sure you've made assumptions and accusations yourself without proof to your fellow LS mates atleast once before.
 
Best NAHNMLS on the server, I am sure everyone will give you that.

I don't see you guys being better than Quest Fantasy however Zeke, sorry lol.

They are beasts.
 
My main point of my post was to point out that OH admits that they cheat, but use the excuse that everyone does it, and it seems that everyone buys in to that and thinks that makes it ok.

It's not ok

I think its sad that the non cheating members of OH just sit there and go along with it like its no big deal. Yeah, Fire, I can see that you think that some cheating is ok, because it doesnt affect anyone. But using a flee hack to kite jailors in sea is just flat out wrong. Those of you with "morals" should be ashamed to be in that LS.

My comment about being the best HNM LS might have been a bit over the top, problem is, I actually believe it. I'm proud to be in my LS, and proud of our accomplishments. The truth is, if I were in another LS, I would think the same way, and say the same thing. Pride is actually a good thing in life.

But tell me this... Name something that a LS has done that we haven't. Name something that we cant do better/faster/more efficiently.

Vang you bring up QuestFantasy, yes they are beasts. Whats funny about that is, I know a few QF members that would say Kaizen is the best on the server. I suppose you could say the JP alliance gives us good competition. But I think that is kinda flawed. If there was a LS that went and took the absolute best NA's on the server and put them together for a fight, I'm sure they would be just as good as the JP alliance.

Fire, I am sorry that those PM's got out in the open, but can you blame Neo? You essentially told him that before he was a member, we had a history of cheating. That every LS does. Neo takes pride in this LS as much as I do, he wanted everyone to see it, so it could be confirmed or denyed. Well, if someone said you cheated like that would you be offended? I know I would, and would have posted just like Alm did. Why here? Its simple.

We want everyone to know that we dont cheat. We dont approve of it and we never will.
 
In every other endgame LS flame, a half dozen idiots come on and say "You should've kept this private/ sent tells to the leader, instead of airing dirty laundry". I guess noone really meant it. Noone should keep problems private. Bring them here first. It'll end up here anyway, and you might as well keep the element of surprise/ get the people's support in the few posts before the other side mounts a defense.
 
Ezikiel said:
My main point of my post was to point out that OH admits that they cheat, but use the excuse that everyone does it, and it seems that everyone buys in to that and thinks that makes it ok.

It's not ok

I think its sad that the non cheating members of OH just sit there and go along with it like its no big deal. Yeah, Fire, I can see that you think that some cheating is ok, because it doesnt affect anyone. But using a flee hack to kite jailors in sea is just flat out wrong. Those of you with "morals" should be ashamed to be in that LS.

My comment about being the best HNM LS might have been a bit over the top, problem is, I actually believe it. I'm proud to be in my LS, and proud of our accomplishments. The truth is, if I were in another LS, I would think the same way, and say the same thing. Pride is actually a good thing in life.

But tell me this... Name something that a LS has done that we haven't. Name something that we cant do better/faster/more efficiently.

Vang you bring up QuestFantasy, yes they are beasts. Whats funny about that is, I know a few QF members that would say Kaizen is the best on the server. I suppose you could say the JP alliance gives us good competition. But I think that is kinda flawed. If there was a LS that went and took the absolute best NA's on the server and put them together for a fight, I'm sure they would be just as good as the JP alliance.

Fire, I am sorry that those PM's got out in the open, but can you blame Neo? You essentially told him that before he was a member, we had a history of cheating. That every LS does. Neo takes pride in this LS as much as I do, he wanted everyone to see it, so it could be confirmed or denyed. Well, if someone said you cheated like that would you be offended? I know I would, and would have posted just like Alm did. Why here? Its simple.

We want everyone to know that we dont cheat. We dont approve of it and we never will.
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I think I'm going to have to explain my mentality here a bit. Before Final fantasy, I played Asheron's Call for many years. There was a program people used there often called Decal. With it you could do just about double every cheat that exists in FF. It had a whole crapload of add ons, like Sixth Sense which would show you all the monsters in the area and highly the important ones you want,, most of the players were actually expected to have it after a certain level.

There were bad things you could do in Asheron's Call but nobody looked down on enhancement with the use of cheating programs.

Different community, different mindset, but, it's where I'm from.

That being said, that doesn't mean people in OH cheat. I don't cheat myself, I don't care who does cheat and who doesn't. I don't pay attention to it, I don't consider it my business.

That's me, personally. That's not OH policy. As a player, I Firestreak, don't care.

Therefore I don't post or send PMs talking about cheating as if it is bad. Therefore when I see Almaut skipping around, I don't consider if it's lag or cheating carefully because I don't really give a damn. So when I talk to a person about cheating, and I cite people I suspect, I am not trying to "talk shit," therefore I am not going to be sure of who is guilty or not.

I think cheating is dumb because for whoever is doing it, the risk of getting caught and banned far outweighs the very meager gains, which is basically, to save some exp.loss on the part of the kiter. So therefore if you see someone doing it, go ahead and GM call them if it offends you.

I have some morals, mostly my morals are to not negatively effect other linkshells if preventable, and not use any cheats period to gain advantage. Being as Kaizen has never done a bad thing to OH, or used any cheats to gain advantage over us I know of, I have no problem, and that is what I was trying to explain to Neo.

That doesn't mean cheating in OH is ok, that means on a personal level, I Firestreak, don't care. I don't pay attention to how fast people are moving, if they're subbing THF or not, if they have W legs on or not.

I don't see it as a linkshell responsibility to protect people from themselves. That's my personal view, yet again, not OH policy. Cheating doesn't offend me, that doesn't mean I say that I have the right to cheat. It means simply I'm not going to try and investigate people based on FF rules I don't agree with. For all I know no one in OH has ever cheated. For all I know no Kaizen member has ever cheated. People are not blatant enough for me to notice. Sometimes I lag, and people I know are ps2 hop around on my screen.

My discssion with Neo was intended to be a frank and honest conversation about the morality as I saw it. You have no reason to take any offense because I...

1) Couldn't care less if Kaizen cheat or not.
2) Knowing that Kaizen protects its reputation fiercly never intended to make the discussion public where it would be an issue.

I do not represent OH here, these are my personal views. These views I had before I installed FFXI, my experiences in OH didn't lead me to have them.

I hope this can help people better understand the things I am saying.
 
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