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Almaut

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Firestreak said:
Well of 3 paladins, Almaut, Jamal and Masahiro, during early wyrm fights, Almaut would take adds and hyperspeed them around. Jamal has used some 3rd party programs, Masahiro is clean far as I know.

Speedhacks have no use of course for besides the tank, and in general don't do anything except save xp from the prevention of a suicide type strategy.

What worries me more is claim bots, I know of the new ones out there that will be timed perfectly to go off just as the second the mob becomes available to claim, compensating for the added in claim delay and the time it takes for whatever claim used. Take note of your own LS and rivals of people who tend to get claim every time.

As for Halflife she was controlled by Jolin. MPKing JDA is fine as far as I'm concerned. Me and Raduhadu were killed in the crossfire however and a couple Kaizen WHM walked over my corpse as I ended up having to take a r1.

I do have a screenshot as evidence that not only was Jolin guilty but someone tried to pin it as far as the GM on us, which he didn't buy. The screen was on our last messageboard which is gone now but I can probably get it off Prophecy if he saved it.

There were more incidents but most left Kaizen, their leaving as far as I know having nothing to do with any cheats.

I have no beef with Kaizen personally, but then I have more tolerance than you I think for foul play. Since a year ago when we killed our first Fafnir, getting MPKed in the process and having to MPK back for reclaim we realized that some aspects of endgame simply are not fair. If you want to know where Prophecy learned about cheating, examine the previous linkshells he's been in - JDA, Ascention, ext.

Just wow...Trying to justify your LS's use of hacks by accusing our LS? I don't even know where to begin to cut your PM to pieces.

First off, me using speedhacks? If anyone constantly kites, they would understand basic principles in regards to the habits of certain mobs. In the case of corses at the Tiamat area, they A. Move at normal run speed (same speed as everyone that plays the game) and B. They're casters. With that in mind, having just crimson cuisses (which you will ALWAYS see me wear when I'm kiting) and nin sub, it becomes incredibly easy to kite 2 mobs at once especially with the terrain in attohwa which I always do. It's even possible to kite 3 at once if you know what you're doing but you're more likely to die before it becomes 4:00 again. However, the effort and likelyhood of dying when kiting 3 corses is too much of a risk when you're fighting tiamat.

I can say with 100% certainty that you have no proof whatsoever in regards to me speed hacking. I don't want to make this next line sound elitist but it's all I can think of. Just because I kite better then your people are able to, don't accuse me of hacking. If I was speedhacking so much during our early wyrm fights which was what..1/2 a year ago? Why not bring it up at that point in time when anyone would have been glad to read about some dirt on Kaizen? Oh, that's right. It's because you're still trying to justify your LS's use of speedhacks by saying EVERYONE does it. News flash: we don't. If you don't believe me then set a time and date. I will gladly show you or anyone else for that matter the ease of kiting corses with only the +12% move speed bonus from crimson.

In regards to Jamal, as far as I know, he was playing on PS2 when he was in our LS. If he was hacking in some way, we would have known and kicked him immediatly. As to his current situation, I could care less what he does because he is no longer in our LS.

2nd, just because we're able to claim fafnir, we're using claim bots? If you actually look at our track record, we've begun claiming more often ever since the change in the claim system. Why? Because claiming is now more luck then latency/fps/whatever you use to believe in when a mob was able to be claimed soon as it popped. Having a basic understanding of how the new delay system works does help but I'm sure plently of people will say that claiming mobs is now mostly luck.

3rd, people are still trying to pin the halflife MPK on us? If you'll remember the tiamat flame NH made a few months back, we had addressed it then.

Phazen said:
Yanzi said:
Almaut said:
And regarding the halflife incident, if you're gonna post conspiracy theories to make our shell look bad, atleast post some concrete evidence. We havn't approved of MPKing as a form of action for 2 years so far and we're not about to start now.

care to explain who WAS controlling halflife when he mpk'd ppl at fafnir/nidhogg?

It was fafnir, and we have no idea. But think about it logically, why would we wait an entire month after the last time they mpk'ed us to mpk them on fafnir instead of nidhogg? Furthermore we then chose to wait until the one week all the other NA shells were hanging out there? It's obviously going to draw negative attention to us either way, no matter how obvious we can make it that we didn't do it. There will still be people who think we did it regardless, just another storm to weather.
Again, I'll ask if you can post concrete evidence proving that we were the ones that did it. If this supposed screenshot you have of jolin admitting that it was actually he/she that mpked, then I can honestly say that no one else in the LS was aware of it. I will also apologize to the people caught in the crossfire of this MPK. However, if this screenshot you have was dated after jolin left our shell, then the validity of it goes out the window because the terms in which jolin left wern't exactly the best.

Also, the logic behind the MPK still stands. If we wanted to MPK JDA, why do it at a fafnir? We've gotten practically everything we wanted from fafnir aside from everyone in the LS having ridills and the drop rate of .0001% is hardly worth MPKing for. MPKing at a Nidhogg would have been logical as well as MPKing at a time in which it was only our LS and JDA there. However, the MPK just happens to be when multiple LS's are present.

Last but not least, prophecy was never in our LS. He tried out at one of our Genbu's then a day later started doing sky with another LS. I highly doubt he gained his hacking knowledge by showing up to one of our genbu fights from us. If you're going to try and justify the usage of hacks by saying other LS's do it, atleast get your facts straight.
 
O wow round 2 so fast.
 
Firestreak making accusations without any form of evidence? No way, that's not possible.

Do I really need to identify the sarcasm in my post?
 
I know who gave OH the hacks, LOL.
 
:( i want haxs, I'm sick of playing fair . _.
 
Almaut said:
News flash: we don't. If you don't believe me then set a time and date. I will gladly show you or anyone else for that matter the ease of kiting corses with only the +12% move speed bonus from crimson.

I'm calling BS. I want to see you do it... while wearing nothing but Crimson legs, a worm belt, and a sprout hat equipped with an onion sword and no shield... eatting 3 leaf mandragora bud and drinking a melon juice... emoting "/em pika pika." and shouting "Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all." everyone 30 seconds... all while still kiting those two mobs. Unless you can do all that, I don't believe you. :biggrin:
 
I hate how OH members make the claim that every HNMLS uses hacks, so they use them to keep up. Then all the sheep go along with it and believe it. Its a shame to see good players wasted in a shell with a bunch of cheaters with average talent, and a leader with a third grade english proficiency. Shame on them for cheating, shame on you for turning a blind eye to it. And if you honestly didnt know, I would re-think what LS or "family" I am a part of.... Do you really want to be associated with them?

Kaizen has always had a firm anti bot/claim/flee/warp hack policy. If anyone were to get caught, immidiate grounds for termination.

We play fair, and are still the best HNMLS on the server.

Looks like you dont have to cheat to win.
 
You do not need speed hacks to kite Corse. Hell, I can kite those, 2 at a time easily with nothing more than shadows on my Thief let alone with 12% movement speed.
BTW it's nice to see a nice concise flame. I'll be even more impressed if people stay on topic and don't throw in other shit to get out of the flame.
 
Lavi said:
I'm calling BS. I want to see you do it... while wearing nothing but Crimson legs, a worm belt, and a sprout hat equipped with an onion sword and no shield... eatting 3 leaf mandragora bud and drinking a melon juice... emoting "/em pika pika." and shouting "Gotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all." everyone 30 seconds... all while still kiting those two mobs. Unless you can do all that, I don't believe you. :biggrin:

I about fell out of my seat. :nyam:
 
Ezikiel said:
I hate how OH members make the claim that every HNMLS uses hacks, so they use them to keep up. Then all the sheep go along with it and believe it. Its a shame to see good players wasted in a shell with a bunch of cheaters with average talent, and a leader with a third grade english proficiency. Shame on them for cheating, shame on you for turning a blind eye to it. And if you honestly didnt know, I would re-think what LS or "family" I am a part of.... Do you really want to be associated with them?

Kaizen has always had a firm anti bot/claim/flee/warp hack policy. If anyone were to get caught, immidiate grounds for termination.

We play fair, and are still the best HNMLS on the server.

Looks like you dont have to cheat to win.

And youre modest too!

but seriously.. yeah.. youre right, :p
 
Ezikiel said:
We play fair, and are still the best HNMLS on the server.

I'm sorry Ezi but I gotta reply to that.

"We play fair"

Oh yeah? Stealing is fair? I doubt it. Gonna reply that you don't steal... KB, Nidhogg, does that ring a bell? You guys stole KB at 1% and wiped on it, which actually made it funny. If you're gonna dirty your name by stealing, at least get something out of it.

Nidhogg. You're gonna tell me we were wiping? Then why did your leader feel so guilty about taking it that she asked our members how many people were standing and offered to split the drops. However with those "ethics" you talk about, you didn't even invite our MNK in time for the beard.

I'm sorry but I don't think you play fair. As much as I now you don't use hacks, granted that. But don't act like you are a saintly LS that has never done anything wrong. You guys are a great LS, no doubt about that. But when it comes to ethics....that's another story.

"and are still the best HNMLS on the server"

Who said that? Somewhere along the road you guys proclaimed yourselves best HNMLS on the server?

I agree with what you said about OH, they do use speedhacks and cheat. I can confirm it. I have seen one of their members use it in front of me running faster than a chocobo and moving while he was dead. But don't push it.
 
Aeron said:
Oh yeah? Stealing is fair? I doubt it. Gonna reply that you don't steal... KB, Nidhogg, does that ring a bell? You guys stole KB at 1% and wiped on it, which actually made it funny. If you're gonna dirty your name by stealing, at least get something out of it.
If the mob goes yellow it no longer belongs to you. Any GM will tell you this. It may be unethical to take over claim, but it's not cheating according to those who's opinions really matter.
 
Totally agree with you Stouter.

My point is that Kaizen is unethical, and I include having ethics into "playing fair", I said clearly I don't believe they use hacks. Don't make me say something I didn't say.
 
Btw, I'm not trying to flame Kaizen here, just saying that Ezi might be pushing it with what he said.

The point of that thread is that OH use hacks, and as I said it before, I have seen it and I totally agree that they do.
 
Don't know/care about any of the rest of this, but Jamal plays on a PS2 so the accusation of him using h4x is lolfunny.
 
Aeron said:
I'm sorry Ezi but I gotta reply to that.

"We play fair"

Oh yeah? Stealing is fair? I doubt it. Gonna reply that you don't steal... KB, Nidhogg, does that ring a bell? You guys stole KB at 1% and wiped on it, which actually made it funny. If you're gonna dirty your name by stealing, at least get something out of it.

Nidhogg. You're gonna tell me we were wiping? Then why did your leader feel so guilty about taking it that she asked our members how many people were standing and offered to split the drops. However with those "ethics" you talk about, you didn't even invite our MNK in time for the beard.

I'm sorry but I don't think you play fair. As much as I now you don't use hacks, granted that. But don't act like you are a saintly LS that has never done anything wrong. You guys are a great LS, no doubt about that. But when it comes to ethics....that's another story.

First things first. The KB Fiasco was an enormous amount of miscommunication, and from the looks of your battle, it looked like it was over. If you think we were the only ones spamming on it, you're kidding yourselves. Every single LS that was itching to watch you guys wipe was spamming on it.

Nidhogg. Our leader, Nasya, didn't offer the Wyrm Beard to your linkshell out of guilt; it was mainly to be generous because you won the initial claim, and it was the right thing to do. Recently BoL tried their luck at Fafnir/Nidhogg, and they won the claim. After a lot of chaos we ended up with Fafnir and gave them the Balmung that dropped. Again, because it was the right thing to do.

As any LS that has experience with watching wipes knows, it is a *very* difficult decision on the leadership end as to when to call it a wipe, because other competition usually isn't as 'generous' about taking a mob when it goes yellow.

Aeron said:
"and are still the best HNMLS on the server"

Who said that? Somewhere along the road you guys proclaimed yourselves best HNMLS on the server?

I agree with what you said about OH, they do use speedhacks and cheat. I can confirm it. I have seen one of their members use it in front of me running faster than a chocobo and moving while he was dead. But don't push it.

Point me in the direction of an LS that has done some of the feats we've accomplished on our own (i.e. Asking other LS's to zerg a wyrm for 4-8 hours does not count). We farm Vrtra, Tiamat, and Ouryu; Jorm is pretty much worthless. We're equipped with 20+ pairs of Herald's Gaiters, all our BRDs have Manteels, M.bodies, A.bodies, E.bodies and Ridills. Please. Point me towards a more accomplished LS.
 
meastoso said:
all our BRDs have Manteels, M.bodies, A.bodies, E.bodies and Ridills.

those are some pretty pimped BRDs :P
 
This stuff kinda makes me laugh.

Things like ethics are so losely defined that there's no way you can push that into 'playing fair'. We try to be fair. Again, like Meast said, look at it from our leadership's position though. If we aren't spamming as you're wiping, then we're leaving the mob open for someone else to claim that isn't either of us.
 
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