RDM Melee - please stop

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Up to 40's I had no problem with rdm meleeing, as thay don't have refresh, and perhaps deal some damage.

not leveled in a random party in long time (been leveling bst mostly, or playing rdm). but getting rng 53-57 I think 3 out of 8 RDMS were meleeing. rng from subs from /thf to /smn (smn is alright, just whm or blm sub mor usful).

EVERYONE of these rdms had these problems.

Refresh, would not till people started shouting at him, or, would not refresh pld, whm, or blm. 1 of the 5 actuly enfeebled, few tosed on 1 (gravity or slow, gravity just cause he was not hitting). RDM tonight sat and watched me die as a raptur poped as I pulled a far pull insted of sleeping it. Hardly saw hast on monks/plds, one actuly hasted me! (rng) who don't need haste. Even had a rdm who did not always dispell a crab, even when I told him it had Def buff up. He was still swinging, but since he probubly hit for 0 anyway, he still hit for 0 with def buff up.

Why are all these moron rdm out there meleeing! Now if thay can keep everyone refreshed without it droping on anyone for more then 10 secs, and keep paralise/slow/gravity/blind, dispell, and MB as thay melee, I have no problem with them meleeing. Just feel like shouting at them as how stuped thay are.

alot of them also used AF boots/legs/hands. which are USLESS in party. Thay are great for solo, but better equip can be found. Tho looking at equipment, and seeing mostly melee equip and no int/mnd, I can see why thay don't enfeeble much. cause thay can't get um to stick.

Funnyest comment I heard a RDM say when I asked if thay can cast paralize/slow/gravity. "Ok, my enfeebling was falling behind anyway". I stareing at screen stuned.

If your a RDM or know a RDM, tell them to stop meleeing, if thay want to skill up sword/dagger, thay can go solo some even match stuff.

If you do melee, make shur you have a full set of +int/mnd equip, and the BEST +attack and melee equip posible to SWITCH in so you do more then 10 + 7 damage.

Tired of slow partys of bad rdms is all. (tho seen most every job do poorly also).
 
there was a RDM i had to pt with that was so fuckin bad i just left the pt. RDM/NIN had sun rings, walkure mask, atk earrings. Elvaan on top of this too and had MAYBE like 300MP around lvl 56. did not cast a single spell what so ever
 
If a flame war will get RDM to stop meleeing, hell yea. RDM is not a job to play if your wanting to melee.

I'l add that I have meleed while I was leveling, did not do noticable damage, and even I suffered in the refresh and enfeebling department. So I know exactly how hard it is to be melee rdm, along with how little differance a melee RDM will make.
 
I don't think there's much you can do about "red warriors" except kick them from your party altogether if they're letting Refresh and enfeebling slide. I've seen them here and there, and sometimes I'll even send tells to let them know they should have higher priorities, but if they don't get it by the time they have Refresh they never will.

I always find these topics kind of funny because you're not going t convince anywhere here of anything really. Most of the RDMs on this forum seem to know their job well. You're preaching to the choir.
 
Neyla said:
I don't think there's much you can do about "red warriors" except kick them from your party altogether if they're letting Refresh and enfeebling slide.
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a rdm that does only these things and doesn't refresh and enfeeble is a complete and utter waste of a party slot. If you come across one of these red mages, do as Neyla says, KICK THEM OUT!
 
personally, i just hit 45, and i've been meleeing the whole time i could. why? because a RDM can do everything, and i do just that. dia -> refresh -> slow + paralyze -> refresh -> gravity + blind -> refresh...
i always get the mob enfeebled, for the past 4 levels everyone refreshed, keep the tank cured when i have to, and when i have the time, normally about 1/2 way through the battle, i start meleeing. its not just because i can, its because otherwise, i get bored :lol:
 
Blaine said:
personally, i just hit 45, and i've been meleeing the whole time i could. why? because a RDM can do everything, and i do just that. dia -> refresh -> slow + paralyze -> refresh -> gravity + blind -> refresh...
i always get the mob enfeebled, for the past 4 levels everyone refreshed, keep the tank cured when i have to, and when i have the time, normally about 1/2 way through the battle, i start meleeing. its not just because i can, its because otherwise, i get bored :lol:
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well when you hit 51 you probably won't be meleeing anymore. Red mage have shit for staff skill and you better have elemental staves and change equip macros by this point lol
 
I think I have seen Jophen post here before. Lol, this guy was around lvl 70 and STILL meleed with att/str gear. It was pathetic. I wasn't personally in the party with him, but I was looking over the shoulder of the one who was. We got a good laugh. RDM/NIN in exp is uncalled for.

Whatching my friend, he would cast his enfeebles, Jophen did his rarely. We ask why he never enfeebled. He laughs and says something like, I don't bother anymore, my enfeebling magic came uncapped back in the 40's. Me and my friend were like "........HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA" We check him, and like I said wearing no mage gear at all, Assualt Jerkin, sun rings, spike necklace, sword belt etc. After checking him, he is like why are you checking me? I don't like when RDM's check me. I don't like to make other ppl feel bad. J/K.

Just an example of your retarted Melee RDM/NIN, there have been much more then that. Obviously this one stuck out the most. :roll:
 
deathsvengeance said:
Blaine said:
personally, i just hit 45, and i've been meleeing the whole time i could. why? because a RDM can do everything, and i do just that. dia -> refresh -> slow + paralyze -> refresh -> gravity + blind -> refresh...
i always get the mob enfeebled, for the past 4 levels everyone refreshed, keep the tank cured when i have to, and when i have the time, normally about 1/2 way through the battle, i start meleeing. its not just because i can, its because otherwise, i get bored :lol:
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well when you hit 51 you probably won't be meleeing anymore. Red mage have shit for staff skill and you better have elemental staves and change equip macros by this point lol
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true, and by then, i'll have haste... then i'll have lots of fun helping those oh so friendly DRKs and SAMs!
 
You have experienced the exact same thing I have, Antura =/ Most RDMes sadly do suck, and when you ask them to have higher priorities, they just get angry or mad, and refuse to listen =(. Just one little note, RDM AF pants are not useless ^^ they're great for bar spells. But that's another flame altogether.
 
rng from subs from /thf to /smn (smn is alright, just whm or blm sub mor usful).
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I was lvling my brd in the last few weeks, and got the job to 60ish lv.
Since ballad+refresh, elegy+slow are always good for PT, I love to get a rdm to lv with me if possible.

but what suprised me is.. I was tooooo "lucky" to be able to see some 60ish lv RDM/SMNs at this lv... /sigh
I was thinking that "Oh maybe they just finished soloing" , but in fact they do not have whm or blm lvled to be sub.. one of them even told me, his whm and blm all lower then 15lv, and found many excuses for not lvling them such as no money no time...

A rdm not able to cure para, silence (whm sub), chainspell escape in danger, ES sleep when link (blm sub).. what's the good to sub smn at lv 60?

I don't really care if rdm melee in the pt, if he did all the buffs and refreshes. But please stop using stupid subs in xp pt.
{Common sense} {Can I have it?}
 
Sheesh, you guys are all saying the same thing my god shell said when I meleed Kirin... pffft lol j/k :oops:

Yeah, melee RDMs do suck, and no matter how much you tell them, or how nice you try to hint it, they're always gonna just suck, and not listen. I've learned there's no point in wasting your breath in this game trying to give another player helpful advise, everyone always thinks their way is right, and you're always wrong.

Yes, I agree, BLM and WHM subs are the best, and I haven't meleed with RDM since 31 in Yhoator Jungle, when I finally said to myself "This sucks, I'm hitting for 3, my en-spells are doing 1"

If a RDM really was wearing all his MND/INT/Enfeebling Magic+ gear, he would have the same "success" with meleeing, and would realize, with only a shred of common sense, that it was simply time to hang up his hat and quit with the sword. Unfortunately, it's of course, this shred of common sense that a lot of players lack. RDMs subbing WAR, DRK, etc. and meleeing in PTs... and.... I can't beleive that... NOT HAVING ENFEEBLING MAGIC CAPPED!?!?!?!!! that's unreal @_@!

Last time I was in a PT w/a RDM like this was when I was in Yhoator Jungle, leveling BLM. She was Elvaan with like lvl 10 melee gear on and now at approx. lvl 30.... She didn't have Cure II or Gravity, and was missing a few other key spells at the time (It was a long time ago, the only ones I can remember now are the two forementioned ones)

Anyway, tried to give her advice, nicely... she kept being a bitch "I don't have time to level 24/7 like some people, I have a real life" :evil: If the player is ignorant, not worth your time to keep them in the PT, just kick them, they're wasting everyone else's time.
 
lol i had a rdm who didnt want to cast a spell, only to melee, i askd why and he said "i'll fall behind on my sword skills then later on ill suck big time" LOL!
we booted him from the pt and he got angry and started saying shit bout us in /shout :)
 
I'm a melee RDM and the only time i really rest is if i am the main healer in a PT. I never get any complaints about enfeebling and enhancing cause i keep them up, i MB with stage II elemental spells and depending on how close my convert clock is to 0 i'll use stage III elemental spells. Induring neutral melee i will release my TP. My eyes are not on the action most of the time. It's on the HP and MP gauges and also the transcripts and enhancing symbols. There really is no reason for a RDM to blow more than 100mp every minute without Refresh. And when maintaining a Refresh cycle resting is not worth 2 measly ticks of MP, as RDMs rest slower than the other MP users. Convert will always come a good time before it's time to convert.

There are times a RDM must take action melee or not, and resort to doing something that can set back a refresh cycle, like sleeping another link or back up healing. But Melee will never prevent this from happening, so long as the RDM does not melee something that will obstruct casting for the party.

The RDM JSE by far has RDM melee in mind, as the full set gives RDM +21 acc and -17 Enmity also more MP than Errant gear....-Enmity is only useful when in PTs and only high level RDMs can use it. RDMs only have a hard time hitting mobs when they are in parties, as every job misses more in parties, just not as much as the Melee mage.

I'd also like to point out how at higher levels when in PTs. Mobs don't live long enough for a RDM to have to cast on them enfeebling magic twice. I don't see the reason to use a staff when the mob dies so fast anyway. With Refresh a RDM should never blow more than 900MP within 9 minutes. If they do the entire PT's refresh cycles will be in a critical state, or be broken.

RDM is at the bottom of the list when it comes to using blades (aside from BLM and their dagger skills, i would be surprised if a BLM's skill with a dagger capped higher than RDMs) Which reminds me, the "Thanatos Baselard" is a very nice dagger for RDM as it gives +4 to enfeebling magic skill, and it has a nice delay of 191, my God this thing is way under priced on our server. Only high levels can use this, and +Enfeebling is good for PTs, and not so much solo, cause when i go soloing on VTs, i use pure Magic and never had much of a need to change into my Warlocks Tabard from my Errant stuff. That is a little off topic but the Thanatos Baselard is best suited for RDM when they are in PTs fighting harder things.

Most RDMs with bad reputations for not working their ass off i assume are RDMs that do not melee, cause most RDMs don't melee. When there is a Melee RDM that sucks ass, don't look at it as him sucking because he is meleeing, because Melee does not stop one from casting, it does nothing but add DMG, Poision II does little DMG, and Dia II does little DMG and allows the PT to hit for a little more. Melee RDM is adding to that, and one with capped sword or dagger skill will not miss as much as you think, espacially if they have on JSE +acc and -Enmity. If there is no healer or no BLM then RDM should refrain from Melee. RDMs MB does not do much damage most of the time, and using level II RDM elemental spells are as dangerous.

A RDM really has no time for rest, and one that converts every 10/11 minutes is playing with high efforts. Resting MP hardly gives RDM anything, and if they were to get any worth while MP from resting it would mean the Refresh cycle will definatly start to make the PT unhappy. Blowing away MP too fast makes for insecurities and a RDM can do everything without Rest.

Savage blade is not a very powerful WS, but it makes powerful skill chains, and when thre is no PLD in a PT a RDM (who went out of his way to get savage blade) can provide the skill every 3 mobs giving the PT a whoop ass slaughter session. This skill is especially for use in PT's and RDM can do it.

I have been in parties and have been asked to stand aside and cast, and i listen, even though the mobs aoe can't even scratch me. I'll never be as ready when resting so i continue to stand and do everything i'm supose to do and even extra, unless of coarse i have to main heal or nuke hard, RDM puts on te best performance when they are not heavy on nuking.

When there are RDMs that suck ass it puts all RDMs under observation when PTing with new people, and when post about Melee RDMs that suck are made, it effects all Melee RDMs. I myself have been in a PT where the RDM literally made my blood boil, only because his/her enfeebles was coming out when the mob was half dead, so if a RDM cannot melee and do their job, then they should not even try to play RDM that way.

I do not bring my Ninja sub to PTs, and i believe it is possible to pull off RDM/NIN in a PT.... especially in a PT with a good BLM.

I'm not angry about this post, and if anything i said is wrong or bad, tell me what is better and why, i'm listening.
 
Uzor said:
You have experienced the exact same thing I have, Antura =/ Most RDMes sadly do suck, and when you ask them to have higher priorities, they just get angry or mad, and refuse to listen =(. Just one little note, RDM AF pants are not useless ^^ they're great for bar spells. But that's another flame altogether.
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OMFG YES!!!! always get so pissy... always saying "don't tell me how to do my job"... mother fucker, i'm a 65RDM myself, so don't tell me how to tell you how to do your job if you're SUCKING!!!

i.e. Babystepzzz (lmao)

and yes, melee RDM sucks... they SUCK SUCK SUCK terribly. that whole b.s. about "i can add a little dmg to help out the PT" is utterly BULLSHIT. and the whole "i want to keep my sword cap" is a sad excuse. go level PLD afterwards and you don't have to worry about it. BLEH!

btw, thank you to the rest of the RDMs that know how to do their job PROPERLY. and Mariox, you gayfer... i think RDM Pants are the shizz^^ and um, silent oils, yes please!!!
 
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