RDM/NIN epidemic and shitty gear

[Davion]

To Anttaru:
Classy posts Ant. Too bad most of it went over everyone's heads... if they would take the time to actually read (ie: not skim) over your posts they would see that what you're saying makes a lot of since, also there are way too many assumptions being tossed around. Why everyone keeps mentioning cannon PTs when you have clearly stated over and over again you're speaking of normal PT setups is beyond me.

To Everyone else (excluding Make because he actually read.):
READ THE FUCKING POSTS BEFORE COMMENTING. All I see is people skimming over Ant's post and seeing rdm/nin and Pt in the same post and going "omfgzorz rdm/nin is teh sukzorz lawl" and the going off on any putting words in his posts that he himself never put there. Take time and read the posts and stop making yourself look like an illiterate little fuck.

I'm guessing you and Anttaru didn't read the OP, as it was clearly about a rdm/nin in an EXPERIENCE POINTS PARTY (bolded and all-caps cause that makes things serious business on forums). If you're a rdm/nin in my experience points party you're going on my blacklist. Yes rdm/nin is obviously useful to pt with on non-xp things, but that's not why this topic was created.

Bottom Line:

Davion's Operative Word: Replies based on Selective Reading.





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[Davion]

edit: Words*

And that phrase was agreeing summary of what Blazey and Rappy said.

 

[Kirlua]

Unless I'm reading this wrong, you're saying in reality RDM can sub w/e in a party?

No. If I was party leader, I wouldn't care if they are the only RDM on in the entire level range. You sub WHM or BLM, or your ass is booted.

Do i get booted for subbing /brd when the pt consist of PLD BLU DRK SMN BLM RDM?

 

[Antor]

Why the hell would you join that party? It needs more PUP and less DRK.

 

[Anttaru]

I'm guessing you and Anttaru didn't read the OP, as it was clearly about a rdm/nin in an EXPERIENCE POINTS PARTY (bolded and all-caps cause that makes things serious business on forums).

What makes you think we never read the original post ? This goes to show you cannot elaborate on what i wrote. What the hell kind of party do you think we're talking about ?

If you're a rdm/nin in my experience points party you're going on my blacklist. Yes rdm/nin is obviously useful to pt with on non-xp things, but that's not why this topic was created.

Like many you're so engolfed with distaste for RDM/NIN in parties, you'd dispise one being in you're level 75 PT making some sweet chains. Blacklisting is great for the ignorant. And you hear nothing of what i wrote. You're going on as if i said RDM/NIN in parties is a good thing, and question if i read the original post on this thread.

You need to follow you're instincts and not participate more than you already have.

-I repeated myself several times
-I had someone break down what i was saying
-I've been credited for my content and labeled a troll due to my persona

And still there are idiots piling up here thinking i promote RDM/NIN in parties. Seriously Rappa.

 

[Rappa]

What makes you think we never read the original post ? This goes to show you cannot elaborate on what i wrote. What the hell kind of party do you think we're talking about ?

The fact that you brought this up in the first place makes me think you didn't read it. The OP was about a lvl 58 pt with a meleeing rdm. Nothing you've talked about anywhere has to do with this, it's just about how a pt can exist just fine with a rdm/nin. This is of course true, but it's a silly point to make. A party can exist fine with a war/pup too, but there's a reason that wars don't sub pup and that's because it isn't optimal. I've already posted earlier the benefits to a pt for whm and blm subs for rdm. You've given nothing to support the ninja subjob other than that (and I'm paraphrasing here) "if a party is good, the rdm's subjob doesn't matter". That's the kind of attitude that lets rdms get into the end-game scene with only ninja and dark knight as viable subjobs.

And still there are idiots piling up here thinking i promote RDM/NIN in parties. Seriously Rappa.

Namecalling really gets your points across, seriously. This isn't kindergarten.

 

[Rappa]

As an aside, I don't really want to have this argument. This is a 2-3 year old discussion and I'm not going to spend my time rehashing it again. I've said why ninja is a useless subjob in an xp pt. You can defend it if you want to, and you can insult the entire board if you want to, since obviously everyone else is wrong but you. If you really want to discuss it with me further you can PM me, don't see the point in going at it here. Besides, I'm an idiot anyway apparently.

 

[Blancho]

As an aside, I don't really want to have this argument. This is a 2-3 year old discussion and I'm not going to spend my time rehashing it again. I've said why ninja is a useless subjob in an xp pt. You can defend it if you want to, and you can insult the entire board if you want to, since obviously everyone else is wrong but you. If you really want to discuss it with me further you can PM me, don't see the point in going at it here. Besides, I'm an idiot anyway apparently.

While your at it tell the fucking drk's that Axe's in a merit party suck balls. Bring a fucking scythe or a great sword.

 

[Lukas]

It is not the reader's fault if Anttaru cannot seem to communicate his point effectively. Apparently there is some subtle subtext to his posts which we are told we aren't understanding, because we're all illiterate fucks. Yes, it's obvious it's everyone elses fault, and not the blame of Anttaru's shitty syntax and poor grammar.

Calling everyone "sheep" or "idiots" or whatever and coming off like an arse doesn't help either.

 

[Blancho]

It is not the reader's fault if Anttaru cannot seem to communicate his point effectively. Apparently there is some subtle subtext to his posts which we are told we aren't understanding, because we're all illiterate fucks. Yes, it's obvious it's everyone elses fault, and not the blame of Anttaru's shitty syntax and poor grammar.

Calling everyone "sheep" or "idiots" or whatever and coming off like an arse doesn't help either.

Blazeoffury gets it. Oh wait that doesn't mean anything. LOL my bad!

 

[Anttaru]

The fact that you brought this up in the first place makes me think you didn't read it. The OP was about a lvl 58 pt with a meleeing rdm. Nothing you've talked about anywhere has to do with this, it's just about how a pt can exist just fine with a rdm/nin. This is of course true, but it's a silly point to make.

Oh it's true and silly ? Come now.

I mentioned how RDM/NIN blows in parties, is that not the same as the OP ? Only difference is i said in the higher levels, it matters less what RDM subs. This is for educational purposes so we don't have a bunch of ignorant fuck heads on the server whenever an innocent 75 RDM wants to skill up something.

A party can exist fine with a war/pup too, but there's a reason that wars don't sub pup and that's because it isn't optimal.

Well said, but in a level 75 party that is making some serious chains, it dosn't matter if the RDM is optimal, there is no oppertunity to cast all enfeebling magic. This only goes for parties that are ripping though mobs in little time.

I've already posted earlier the benefits to a pt for whm and blm subs for rdm. You've given nothing to support the ninja subjob other than that (and I'm paraphrasing here) "if a party is good, the rdm's subjob doesn't matter".

I wrote how at level 75, parties can live without RDM, and how RDM is nearly useless. Every RDM knows this, in that case it really dosn;t matter what the RDM subs.

That's the kind of attitude that lets rdms get into the end-game scene with only ninja and dark knight as viable subjobs.

That's incorrect. Endgame LS's can't work without proper planing. (RDM/NIN is awesome against Kirin might i add, but that is not for everyone)

Namecalling really gets your points across, seriously. This isn't kindergarten.

As well as anouncing the foolish act of blacklisting to make a point. Stop being so ignorant and i won't take you for an idiot Rappa. If i have to repeat myself for you again then there is no hope for you.

 

[Anttaru]

As an aside, I don't really want to have this argument. This is a 2-3 year old discussion and I'm not going to spend my time rehashing it again. I've said why ninja is a useless subjob in an xp pt. You can defend it if you want to, and you can insult the entire board if you want to, since obviously everyone else is wrong but you. If you really want to discuss it with me further you can PM me, don't see the point in going at it here. Besides, I'm an idiot anyway apparently.

And that's what i'm pointing out to you Rappa. I'm not defending it, i'm just saying it's harmless at level 75 cause RDM is nearly useless in exp parties at those levels. In no way do i say RDM/NIN is great for exp parties. It just dosn't make a difference when the RDM is practually useless.

Like many you can't see past the sheet of red that blinds you when you hear "RDM/NIN" and "party" used in the same paragraph. I wrote it direct, and told you personally twice already. Still you can't get the point and assume i'm defending RDM/NIN in parties after i distinctly wrote how RDM/NIN blows in parties. It would be nice if you can start using you're head now.

 

[Blancho]

Oh it's true and silly ? Come now.

I mentioned how RDM/NIN blows in parties, is that not the same as the OP ? Only difference is i said in the higher levels, it matters less what RDM subs. This is for educational purposes so we don't have a bunch of ignorant fuck heads on the server whenever an innocent 75 RDM wants to skill up something.



Well said, but in a level 75 party that is making some serious chains, it dosn't matter if the RDM is optimal, there is no oppertunity to cast all enfeebling magic. This only goes for parties that are ripping though mobs in little time.



I wrote how at level 75, parties can live without RDM, and how RDM is nearly useless. Every RDM knows this, in that case it really dosn;t matter what the RDM subs.



That's incorrect. Endgame LS's can't work without proper planing. (RDM/NIN is awesome against Kirin might i add, but that is not for everyone)



As well as anouncing the foolish act of blacklisting to make a point. Stop being so ignorant and i won't take you for an idiot Rappa. If i have to repeat myself for you again then there is no hope for you.

Your a fucking idiot and Rappa is right! Damn I agreed with you Rappa. LOL

 

[Anttaru]

It is not the reader's fault if Anttaru cannot seem to communicate his point effectively.

It only takes 1 person to say i'm talking about a Cannon party. Should i have mentioned i was not talking about a Cannon party ? I don't think so. Still that came about,

Apparently there is some subtle subtext to his posts which we are told we aren't understanding, because we're all illiterate fucks.

For the sake of clearity, i said RDM/NIN blows in exp parties, and you take this as subtle ? Are you afraid to say you see what i said clearly, Cause we're surrounded by people thinking otherwise and following one another ? I'm not dealing with everyone here y'know, there are other conversations in this thread that has nothing to do with what i said.

Yes, it's obvious it's everyone elses fault, and not the blame of Anttaru's shitty syntax and poor grammar.

Everyone else's fault ? You'd wish for the entire thread to take me apart. The ones not understanding me are the few. It's also fun to group together and cast stones at one person isn't it. So go ahead and tell them it's obvious it's their fault.

Calling everyone "sheep" or "idiots" or whatever and coming off like an arse doesn't help either.

When i said "The Sheep" That dosn't mean i said "Everyone is a sheep". I'm coming off like an arse cause i'm seeing so much ignorance. Like i needn't know who will blacklist who and be accused of promoting RDM/NIN.

Good day to you sir.

 

[Anttaru]

Your a fucking idiot and Rappa is right! Damn I agreed with you Rappa. LOL

You couldn't even tell me how i'm wrong. The Favouritism has you walking blindly with you're friend.

 

[Blancho]

You couldn't even tell me how i'm wrong. The Favouritism has you walking blindly with you're friend.

1. I don't care much for Rappa and I can pretty much guarantee Rappa hates me. LOL

2. RDM/NIN good on Kirin LMFAO how? explain that much and I'll come back with more. LOL

 

[Anttaru]

lol Blancho.

For this to work there the PT need to co-operate, this meaning they must allow the RDM to have a head start, and none of the other tanks must provoke Kirin.

RDM has alot of ways to keep up enmity after generating alot of it.

When Kirin first pops the RDM/NIN has to use chainspell, and hit Kirin with some Water III's. during the duration of the 2H the RDM will be able to chainspell shihei and stoneskin, this is also a good time to enhance with haste aquaveil etc... a total enhancing would do good. By the end of it, do a convert. and chain a few gravities if you have to so you can get a good jump when it's time to move. By the end of this jump start Kirin will be pissed.

By this point the rest of the PT can start attacking, Even the BLM will have a time trying to take hate, and if they do take hate, they are either gonna die or get lucky and survive to make another strike, But we all know what happens when Kirin has his heart set on killing a BLM. When the BLM is dead it'll eventually go back to going after the RDM/NIN who is constantly protecting themselves with Utsemi, Stoneskin and Phalanx building more enmity. Cast more and enhance others. Kirin won't be happy when the RDM converts again, the fact the RDM does not die gives them the edge for enmity.

Vermillion cloak and juice helps out nicely, expensive Elixars for MP is a good boost for that 1st 10 minutes before you can convert again. It's sloppy but other peoples death helps out with you're enmity aswell. If the RDM/NIN dies in during this process, then it'll be impossible to become the main tank again cause there is no chainspell to use before a convert.

 

[Makelith]

It is not the reader's fault if Anttaru cannot seem to communicate his point effectively. Apparently there is some subtle subtext to his posts which we are told we aren't understanding, because we're all illiterate fucks. Yes, it's obvious it's everyone elses fault, and not the blame of Anttaru's shitty syntax and poor grammar.

Only to a point, which has been covered to death already. Get your reading comprehension skills up and if you are going to attack him, do it on something that hasn't been covered already.

coming off like an arse doesn't help either.

I think you're the second person now that needs to take their own advice on this matter.

Your a fucking idiot and Rappa is right! Damn I agreed with you Rappa. LOL

In all honestly, i don't know you, but once again your posts never cease to amaze me at how really childish and idiotic you can be.

P.S. Get rid of your chanter's staff.


Anttaru never brought up cannon parties. That was Mish (?). Do people really not even read the thread or when they see a big post do they just skim it? Anttaru never advocated the use of rdm/nin. I don't want to do it, but the next person that says he did is going to get a post with about 500 quotes from him saying that he doesn't support it.

He's more or less being like Uzor, in that he is arguing for the sake of arguing. He has the same stance as we do on Rdm/Nins (for the most part) and he is just putting it differently, that alot of people are just overlooking.

 

[Mishaela]

Honestly, if it is some sort of miscommunication, then I am in fact sorry for that. However, I just don't see it possible for a group to "never take damage", as anything and everything you can XP off of at 73+ has something that goes through shadows for severe damage, has AOE that strips shadows entirely, or hits 3-4x, usually for quite a lot if even one hit gets through. And the time it takes to cast three debuffs is still only about 7 seconds - a traditional party killing in 20ish seconds is about as unlikely as them killing in 10. =/

Also, the reason many people are argueing is that by saying "subjob doesn't matter in endgame parties" is exactly the same as saying "RDM/NIN is just as useful in endgame parties are RDM/WHM or RDM/BLM" =/


And I entirely agree with the Kirin thing, though...wouldn't you want Aero III instead of Water III?

 

[Tristam Green]

Why the hell would you join that party? It needs more PUP and less DRK.

fuck you, a party should consist of this:
DRK(scythe), DRK(gsword), DRK(2axe), DRK(2sword), RDM/WHM, PLD, WHM


In my dreams, anyway >.>